NBA Trade Thread #13

[Infinity2152]

This is the trade thread. Only center we have on roster next year is Smith. It's not weird to talk about trading for a young center that might be available. It's really funny how advanced stats ALWAYS seem to matter so much in this forum, except when they doesn't confirm people's opinion.

If availability is the greatest ability, why have people been trying to get rid of Vuc for years, lmao! He's maybe the most durable starting center in the NBA, plus one of the best shooting, passing and rebounding centers. Seems like in here, defense is FAR more important. There are like 5-6 good centers that are not regularly injured. Please tell me the people who are calling for durability and shooting as super important (I actually agree and like Vuc) are not the same ones saying get rid of Vucevic.

Are there some center alternatives with little to no injury risk? Chet Holgrem missed his entire first year, played 32 games last year, and just got maxed. Weird payment based on his DNP reality, right? Embid missed his entire first 2 seasons, played 31 the third and got max, regular MVP candidate. Wemby played 71 first season, 46 last year. Porzingas played 48 games year 3, missed entire year 4. Something about being 7ft or taller, maybe? Walker kessler, people like him. 58 games last season, 5 games this year, out for the season.

What's weird is the high trade value people are giving to expiring Coby when he hasn't played a game and his trade value goes down every single day. Weird expecting to get a 7'1 21-year-old center still on rookie contract who has put up great stats for Ayo, a 26 year old expiring 6'4 guard who's averaged 10.5 pts, 3.5 assists on 35.5% 3pt shooting prior to this year, imo. Ayo only played 46 games last year in year 4 btw, less games than Lively played the year before (55), his rookie year. People are putting injury prone on Lively because of two seasons.

[jnrjr79]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/article/ja-morant-traded-bulls-5-190640049.html

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[Infinity2152]

Do you all think Klay Thompson is cooked, or is there still some value there on the right team? Dallas's playmaking SUCKS, and clearly Klay is Mr. Catch and Shoot. They've benched him to start Christie and Russell and still lost to the Pelicans, so it's not just him.

$16.7 mill this year, $17.5 mill next year. 35 years old, slower but 6'7. Smart defender. One of the best shooters ever, championship experience, high ball IQ, ideal fit with Giddey. Very familiar with running offense, more than anybody here. He would bring some consistency for this year and next while the young guys eat. Not talking about giving up Coby straight up for him, but in a combo trade with Lively or a separate low-cost trade for Klay, I'd take him for two years.

[sco]

Do you all think Klay Thompson is cooked, or is there still some value there on the right team? Dallas's playmaking SUCKS, and clearly Klay is Mr. Catch and Shoot. They've benched him to start Christie and Russell and still lost to the Pelicans, so it's not just him.

$16.7 mill this year, $17.5 mill next year. 35 years old, slower but 6'7. Smart defender. One of the best shooters ever, championship experience, high ball IQ, ideal fit with Giddey. Very familiar with running offense, more than anybody here. He would bring some consistency for this year and next while the young guys eat. Not talking about giving up Coby straight up for him, but in a combo trade with Lively or a separate low-cost trade for Klay, I'd take him for two years.

Yeah, Klay may not be cooked, but he's not a good defender anymore. If a deal for Lively is out there, I'm all for it though.

That said, I assign a VERY LOW probability of us trading Coby. AK tends to telegraph is intentions, and I think he intends to keep Coby. Now Ayo is another story.

[Infinity2152]

Do you all think Klay Thompson is cooked, or is there still some value there on the right team? Dallas's playmaking SUCKS, and clearly Klay is Mr. Catch and Shoot. They've benched him to start Christie and Russell and still lost to the Pelicans, so it's not just him.

$16.7 mill this year, $17.5 mill next year. 35 years old, slower but 6'7. Smart defender. One of the best shooters ever, championship experience, high ball IQ, ideal fit with Giddey. Very familiar with running offense, more than anybody here. He would bring some consistency for this year and next while the young guys eat. Not talking about giving up Coby straight up for him, but in a combo trade with Lively or a separate low-cost trade for Klay, I'd take him for two years.

Yeah, Klay may not be cooked, but he's not a good defender anymore. If a deal for Lively is out there, I'm all for it though.

That said, I assign a VERY LOW probability of us trading Coby. AK tends to telegraph is intentions, and I think he intends to keep Coby. Now Ayo is another story.

I think we keep Coby too, and that's ok, I guess. I'm much more concerned about our center position, and investing a ton into a one-way guard is just bad business unless you're ready to contend, imo. Unless the guard is elite, that's usually easy to replace. In my mind, Okoro plays well and he's the main piece in a Thompson trade as a 20-25 minute bench piece. We could use a great shooting vet, Dallas could use a younger player with AD and Kyrie and some cap space. Maybe even Pat Will if he looks good enough this season.

[Chi town]

I think we keep Coby Ayo and Vuc. Collins and Huerter won’t be back. Do t think AK will trade them though. Hes allergic to picks.

[WindyCityBorn]

Do you all think Klay Thompson is cooked, or is there still some value there on the right team? Dallas's playmaking SUCKS, and clearly Klay is Mr. Catch and Shoot. They've benched him to start Christie and Russell and still lost to the Pelicans, so it's not just him.

$16.7 mill this year, $17.5 mill next year. 35 years old, slower but 6'7. Smart defender. One of the best shooters ever, championship experience, high ball IQ, ideal fit with Giddey. Very familiar with running offense, more than anybody here. He would bring some consistency for this year and next while the young guys eat. Not talking about giving up Coby straight up for him, but in a combo trade with Lively or a separate low-cost trade for Klay, I'd take him for two years.

He’s cooked.

[WesPeace]

I think we keep Coby Ayo and Vuc. Collins and Huerter won’t be back. Do t think AK will trade them though. Hes allergic to picks.

Why you think Huerter wont return?

[Chi town]

I think we keep Coby Ayo and Vuc. Collins and Huerter won’t be back. Do t think AK will trade them though. Hes allergic to picks.

Why you think Huerter wont return?

We will keep 2 of Coby Ayo Huerter and I think Ayo and Coby fit better.

Won’t pay all 3.

[RSP83]

Is there a way we can add Zion to this team? The Pels is going nowhere.

I know it's random but I think we now have a squad that has a good culture for guys like Zion to flourish. I think Zion is one of the most misunderstood player. Yes, he's immature but it doesn't help that he played for the Pelicans. In Duke, he had structure, hence why he played his best basketball there IMO. I think Zion with Giddey and Billy Donovan in the current Bulls system would look really good.

Why not Ja? who is currently on a lot of trade talks. I think Ja will have more difficulty to fit into a team that don't revolve around him. He's always been The Guy since college and in Memphis.

[WesPeace]

I think we keep Coby Ayo and Vuc. Collins and Huerter won’t be back. Do t think AK will trade them though. Hes allergic to picks.

Why you think Huerter wont return?

We will keep 2 of Coby Ayo Huerter and I think Ayo and Coby fit better.

Won’t pay all 3.

Well they will be able to afford it, so I hope they keep all three guys.

[Chi town]

Why you think Huerter wont return?

We will keep 2 of Coby Ayo Huerter and I think Ayo and Coby fit better.

Won’t pay all 3.

Well they will be able to afford it, so I hope they keep all three guys.

They should be able to if they don’t add a big piece in trade or FA and IF those guys don’t get big offers elsewhere.

I’d prefer Coby Ayo and Hartenstein over Huerter and a lesser C.

If they keep all 3 Noa won’t be seeing the floor anytime soon either. Okoro will get his 20mpg. Ideally Buz gets mins at the 3 and Noa and Pat get the backup mins at the 4 as soon as next season.

[Infinity2152]

Man, it's all a guessing game right now, in my opinion. Half the team is auditioning for next year, lol.

Can Huerter, Ayo, Collins all play well enough for us to give them another contract? Of course! Would ny or all accept cheap extensions? Who knows?

If we have a great season, could we re-sign Vucevic? Yes!

Could Noa be a starter next year, making more guys likely not to be here? Yes!

Could Okoro or Pat Will play themselves into locking down starting SF? Yes!

And Coby. He's been a very good, solid player for this team and fits these guys well. Is money the only important thing? There's a saying, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Looking at Pacers and OKC, two Finals teams, lot of positions both could upgrade but they beat teams with more "visible" talent. My caveat for paying Coby $30-$40 mill is if we look like we could contend (top 4 seed, not top team in the league), it's worth it.

Then there's AK and his unpredictable signing of Bulls players. Every single one of those guys could be back next year, we might even see Terry or Phillips. If a trade for a big-name player comes up before the deadline, that'll be AK's big test. Ideally, you don't let 5 guys expire that are working out pretty well for your team.

[NecessaryEvil]

Re-sign Coby, Ayo, Collins and Huerter.

Trade Vooch at the deadline. I’ll take 3 seconds rounders.

Move on from Phillips, Carter and Terry.

Smith/Collins/Essengue/Buzelis can hold down the front court next year.

Draft a C with the Bulls or Portland pick.

[Infinity2152]

Think we're really rough critics as Chicago fans. When I think of the free agent and trades by AK, I'm coming up with Lonzo, Lavine, Derozan, Vucevic then Pat Bev, Caruso, DJJ, Drummond, Javonte Green, Caruso, Jalen Carter, Giddey, Collins, Huerter, Jones.

Outside Carter, I don't think any of the others have underplayed their contracts or been worse than before they got here. Notwithstanding the cost to get them and "what we could have got if we traded them another time", pretty much all our pickups have been good-great value in terms of money.

Ball was injured, but played above his salary when he wasn't and Lavine, Derozan and Vucevic definitely didn't decline with us. The Pat Williams signing is the only one I'd really call bad value. Way more guys improved their values, meaning they were value signings.

[Ccwatercraft]

Think we're really rough critics as Chicago fans. When I think of the free agent and trades by AK, I'm coming up with Lonzo, Lavine, Derozan, Vucevic then Pat Bev, Caruso, DJJ, Drummond, Javonte Green, Caruso, Jalen Carter, Giddey, Collins, Huerter, Jones.

Outside Carter, I don't think any of the others have underplayed their contracts or been worse than before they got here. Notwithstanding the cost to get them and "what we could have got if we traded them another time", pretty much all our pickups have been good-great value in terms of money.

Ball was injured, but played above his salary when he wasn't and Lavine, Derozan and Vucevic definitely didn't decline with us. The Pat Williams signing is the only one I'd really call bad value. Way more guys improved their values, meaning they were value signings.

Winning cures everything. And we've fallen a bit short there.

But yes, as a group we're overly critical

[Infinity2152]

Quick note about the Portland pick. They're the only team to beat OKC this year, and have beaten OKC, Nuggets, Warriors and Lakers already this year. Pick is only top 14 protected. We could have two mid-teens first round picks this summer. If we actually use both draft picks, frees up more money long term on two positions if we get value players.

No need to re-sign some of our bench players, even if they're good, if we want the rookies to play. Will already have to find minutes for Noa hopefully next year. We draft a center at 15 and still have Smith under contract, hard to justify spending big on another center. Matas, Wiiliams, Noa, Okoro on the roster, not a lot of forward minutes available.

Or use those picks to add a guy like JJJ and just re-sign Ayo and Huerter, instead of drafting and paying two rookies who can't get on the floor. Very high likelihood JJ alone is better than both those players, and Ayo and Huerter don't need 2 years to get NBA ready.