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Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8

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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8 

Post#1441 » by Rafael122 » Thu Oct 30, 2025 8:36 pm

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Rafael122 wrote:Pelicans trading their pick, unprotected should be grounds for firing.


All will be forgiven if Fears/Queen pan-out in 4 years, but the terms of the trade were Grunfeldesque.


I mean, this is a Boozer/AJ/Peterson draft.

The double gut punch is that they traded the Pacers pick back to Indiana days before Haliburton tore his achilles. So in effect, they could have increased their lottery odds of landing one of those 3.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8 

Post#1442 » by Kanyewest » Thu Oct 30, 2025 8:43 pm

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Rafael122 wrote:Pelicans trading their pick, unprotected should be grounds for firing.


All will be forgiven if Fears/Queen pan-out in 4 years, but the terms of the trade were Grunfeldesque.


Or if they somehow turn it around this season. Thought that comes to mind is the 07-08 Wizards who started 0-5 and made the playoffs. The West is stacked though. They appeared to be competitive in games with the Spurs/Grizzlies. But things have gotten ugly with Zion out of the lineup with a 30 point loss to the Celtics - and then a loss to the Nuggets where Zion only had 11 points.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8 

Post#1443 » by nate33 » Thu Oct 30, 2025 8:49 pm

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Rafael122 wrote:Pelicans trading their pick, unprotected should be grounds for firing.


All will be forgiven if Fears/Queen pan-out in 4 years, but the terms of the trade were Grunfeldesque.


Or if they somehow turn it around this season. Thought that comes to mind is the 07-08 Wizards who started 0-5 and made the playoffs. The West is stacked though. They appeared to be competitive in games with the Spurs/Grizzlies. But things have gotten ugly with Zion out of the lineup with a 30 point loss to the Celtics - and then a loss to the Nuggets where Zion only had 11 points.

They are starting the corpse of DeAndre Jordan at center. The guy was washed 5 years ago. For the life of me, I cannot understand how he still gets minutes in the NBA. They'd be much better off with a recent NBA castoff like Alex Len. Heck, go find Drew Timme. He looked just fine in summer league. Jordan is beyond awful.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8 

Post#1444 » by AFM » Thu Oct 30, 2025 9:33 pm

Rafael122 wrote:Pelicans trading their pick, unprotected should be grounds for firing.


Yeah the trade made zero sense and I was the biggest Queen supporter
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8 

Post#1445 » by nate33 » Thu Oct 30, 2025 9:38 pm

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nate33 wrote:Yeah, probably not.

It'll depend on how things go for Utah with the inevitable Markkanen trade and in their draft lottery, as well as the development of Ace Bailey. If they are still in a position where they have no viable star, they may need to jettison Kessler in order to keep tanking in future years. Sort of like how we got rid of Gafford, who is a good player.

That logic applies for us too. If we don't land a top 3 guy in this draft, we are also without a star and may not want to add a good young vet like Kessler.

But if we land Dybantsa or Peterson (or maybe Boozer) while Utah is stuck with the 5th pick again, then maybe we would want a win-now vet like Kessler more so than Utah would and we would be willing to pay more for him.
Markannen is pretty much a superstar in today's league. It would demoralize Utah fans if he were traded. I think Phil Handy wants to win with Markannen being the lynch pin until Ace Bailey starts taking over. They also have a winning rookie PG in Walter Clayton Jr.

Yeah, Markkanen and Kessler are playing so well that it's going to be pretty tough for Utah to jettison one or both of them and reset the rebuild again. Maybe they're a buyer in free agency and just go after another guard like Mathurin. Throw in a top 8 pick in this draft plus Bailey, Clayton Jr., Isaiah Collier and Filipkowski and that's a fairly talented team.


The more I think about it, the more it makes A TON of sense for Utah to resign Markkanen and Kessler, and then go sign Austin Reaves to a max contract. Utah would be loaded with 3 of the best white guys in the league! Round out the starting 5 with Bailey and their 2026 draft pick and that's a real good team.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8 

Post#1446 » by payitforward » Thu Oct 30, 2025 9:52 pm

That would be funny....
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8 

Post#1447 » by Kanyewest » Fri Oct 31, 2025 12:14 am

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Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Markannen is pretty much a superstar in today's league. It would demoralize Utah fans if he were traded. I think Phil Handy wants to win with Markannen being the lynch pin until Ace Bailey starts taking over. They also have a winning rookie PG in Walter Clayton Jr.

Yeah, Markkanen and Kessler are playing so well that it's going to be pretty tough for Utah to jettison one or both of them and reset the rebuild again. Maybe they're a buyer in free agency and just go after another guard like Mathurin. Throw in a top 8 pick in this draft plus Bailey, Clayton Jr., Isaiah Collier and Filipkowski and that's a fairly talented team.


The more I think about it, the more it makes A TON of sense for Utah to resign Markkanen and Kessler, and then go sign Austin Reaves to a max contract. Utah would be loaded with 3 of the best white guys in the league! Round out the starting 5 with Bailey and their 2026 draft pick and that's a real good team.


They got Luka/Reaves/LaRavia now - LaRavia had 27 points last night. Also drafted Dalton Knecht who has 15 in each of his last 2 games.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8 

Post#1448 » by closg00 » Fri Oct 31, 2025 2:50 am

I like Ryan Rollins 3-year $12M contract better than Corey’s or Bubs.
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Post#1449 » by nate33 » Fri Oct 31, 2025 2:57 am

Crazy that Milwaukee beat Golden State without Giannis.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8 

Post#1450 » by 9 and 20 » Fri Oct 31, 2025 3:16 am

Austin Reaves in Utah makes sense! I'm sure Ace Bailey is loving life right now, haha.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8 

Post#1451 » by Kanyewest » Fri Oct 31, 2025 3:33 am

nate33 wrote:Crazy that Milwaukee beat Golden State without Giannis.

Ryan Rollins MVP of the game with 32 points and 8 assists. Surprisingly no steals.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8 

Post#1452 » by closg00 » Wed Nov 5, 2025 12:31 am

What a colossal mess in NO, now they can’t tank and blow it up.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8 

Post#1453 » by 9 and 20 » Wed Nov 5, 2025 10:23 pm

Kessler out for the year for Utah - shoulder surgery. Restricted free agent in the off-season. Should help with their tank that he's done for the year, but brutal for a guy who was probably going to get a big contract this summer.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8 

Post#1454 » by closg00 » Yesterday 2:29 pm

Denandre Ayton has awakened.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8 

Post#1455 » by gambitx777 » Today 5:18 am

Kanyewest wrote:
nate33 wrote:Crazy that Milwaukee beat Golden State without Giannis.

Ryan Rollins MVP of the game with 32 points and 8 assists. Surprisingly no steals.
I mean how did he beat those allegations lol didn't they have recordings of the session or something.

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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8 

Post#1456 » by Hibachi_0 » Today 10:35 am

closg00 wrote:Denandre Ayton has awakened.
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More like Luka has awakened him. If there's anyone above 6`9" in the board, Luka would make him an NBA player
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8 

Post#1457 » by closg00 » Today 12:52 pm

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closg00 wrote:Denandre Ayton has awakened.
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More like Luka has awakened him. If there's anyone above 6`9" in the board, Luka would make him an NBA player


Except he had double-doubles when Luka missed 3 1/2 games due to injury, so he didn’t need him, but also certainly benefits from him too.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8 

Post#1458 » by nate33 » Today 1:39 pm

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closg00 wrote:Denandre Ayton has awakened.
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More like Luka has awakened him. If there's anyone above 6`9" in the board, Luka would make him an NBA player

Meh, his numbers are pretty ordinary for a center. Bagley is posting the same per minute numbers with much better efficiency (and more fouls).
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8 

Post#1459 » by closg00 » Today 2:04 pm

nate33 wrote:
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closg00 wrote:Denandre Ayton has awakened.
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More like Luka has awakened him. If there's anyone above 6`9" in the board, Luka would make him an NBA player

Meh, his numbers are pretty ordinary for a center. Bagley is posting the same per minute numbers with much better efficiency (and more fouls).

You’re ignoring the impact he has made on defense, he neutralized Wemby. For more on the Laker view:
https://fadeawayworld.net/nba/los-angeles-lakers/jj-redick-says-deandre-ayton-has-shown-hes-a-true-winning-basketball-player
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8 

Post#1460 » by nate33 » Today 2:11 pm

closg00 wrote:You’re ignoring the impact he has made on defense, he neutralized Wemby. For more on the Laker view:
https://fadeawayworld.net/nba/los-angeles-lakers/jj-redick-says-deandre-ayton-has-shown-hes-a-true-winning-basketball-player

He has an on/off differential of -15.4. Basically, the Lakers only play well when he is NOT on the floor.

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