Do you think Joe Dumars could be fired after only a few months at this job?

[DusterBuster]

You deservedly can knock the process (it hasn't been good), but both Fears and Queen have flashed all-star potential. If they reach their potential it's a win.

Let’s pump the breaks a bit. Fine picks in a deep draft, but let’s not throw out AS terms yet.

It was still absolute Niko level malpractice to give up an unprotected pick for Queen. Reportedly the Hawks were so shocked Dumars was offering it they had to ask twice if they heard it right.

[Ssj16]

Benson doesn't care. Dumars was probably sent there by the league office.

I'm sorry to say, but NO is never going to work for the NBA as a market.

I absolutely believe basketball could work in NO if they had a competent front office.

NO is such a musical city filled with amazing food that I feel like if they partner with local artist and restaurants and make games like a party coupled with building a functioning team, I feel that they could build a loyal fanbase.

It's just that it's well documented how bad their owner is.

[Dan Z]

It's a shame the the Bulls didn't take the New Orleans draft day trade offer.

[Daddy 801]

Dumars made what could turn out to be the dumbest trade in NBA history and easily could be one of the worst trades in NBA history. That pick could end up being the number 1 pick in a loaded draft. If he didn’t clear it with management he should have been fired the next day. The fact he wasn’t fired means the owners passed off on it and are inept.

Total insanity.

The worst part is Queen is going to have that label attached to him for years. In a perfect world he wouldn’t, but he will. I honestly hope for his sake and the Pels he turns out to be good to great just so it isn’t such a distraction for the young man. Dumars did that kid and city dirty.

[Sane]

I have a totally irrational conspiracy theory about this. The NBA VP Dumars joined the Pelicans to clean up Zion and deliver him to a big market. Part of that is destroying the assets so that the Pelicans don't have a future and no one wants him to stay there. He'll get traded for a mediocre package. Pelicans will get lucky in a subsequent draft.

I think that has a 1% likelihood at the moment but it's interesting to keep an eye on.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

The hiring process of NBA GMs is mind boggling, the person could have a terrible track record, and still get hired againg, because he has "experience".
Anyone who followed Dumars and Weaver work in Detroit should have expected this, the damage was already done at the hiring.
There is a conspiracy theory that Dumars is a company man sent by the NBA to destroy the Pelicans from within to relocate the franchise to Seattle/Vegas, this is a more plausible theory than hiring these 2 on merit.

There are not many awful decision makers, actually.
The Pelicans are an aberration, and it all starts with ownership.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

You deservedly can knock the process (it hasn't been good), but both Fears and Queen have flashed all-star potential. If they reach their potential it's a win.

Fears is irrelevant in the discussion of the pluses and minuses of the draft day trade because he wasn't a part of it.

I think it's more likely the Pelicans are awful this year. Even if Queen ends up as a good player you need to balance that against the opportunity cost lost of potentially a #1 or #2 pick in a very good draft class.

Youtube is also filled with highlight reels of failed players with cherry-picked moments showing 'all-star potential'.

Everything is actually about how good Queen will be.
Nobody will care about a theoretical overpay or a reach, it would just show that Dumars identified the right talent and went for it.
Imagine this discussion 5 year from now if he became another Giannis.

[xb3at band1tx]

I feel fairly confident he can convince Gayle to keep his job.

That ownership is rancid (in both Bball & Football)

[pepe1991]

The hiring process of NBA GMs is mind boggling, the person could have a terrible track record, and still get hired againg, because he has "experience".
Anyone who followed Dumars and Weaver work in Detroit should have expected this, the damage was already done at the hiring.
There is a conspiracy theory that Dumars is a company man sent by the NBA to destroy the Pelicans from within to relocate the franchise to Seattle/Vegas, this is a more plausible theory than hiring these 2 on merit.

There is no "process". People who climb ladders of nba front offices are often very good a** kissers or have strong political, blood or friendship connections to "main man".

Here is example. Matt Lloyd.

Started in 1999 with Bulls as media coordinator. By his own words, Krause told him how to scout- and he became a scout for Bulls. After 3 years of scouting ( most brutal for any Bulls fan possible where they drafted bum after bum after bum ) he was promoted into Senior Manager of Basketball Operations.
After that he was promoted into Director of College Scouting. (2007-2012).

After he was finally out from Bulls, he, by his own words, he introduced himself to Rob Hennigan. Hennigan gets promoted into youngest GM In nba, by Magic, and Lloyd becomes his Assistant General Manager.
Hennigan sucks so hard at his job, and Lloyd does what he does best: poor scouting. Over next several years, in charge or Magic scouting, under Hennigan, Magic draft: Elfrid Payton, Hezonja, Gordon and Oladpo + all the non-lottery picks. Gordon is only active nba player.

Hennigan gets fired, but guess who is only person who survives front office changes? Yep. Master of drafting himself. Still in charge of drafting, he plays pivotal role in Magic draft picks: Jonathan Isaac, Mo Bamba and Cole Anthony.

After years of sucking you will think nba is finally done with him? Wrong.. Guy gets best position yet, Senior Vice President of Basketball Operations for Wolves. And since 2024, he is now Wolves General Menager.


Few days ago i went to listen his interview for Orlando entering 2020 draft. Guy spent 36 min on youtube talking how he covered all the angles of scouting. Magic drafted Cole Anthony. Magic left on table: Tyrese Maxey, Payton Prichard and Emmanuel Quickley and Desmond Bane.


Billy King was GM for 16 years in nba.

NBA essentially black listed Sam Hinkie for smart GM-ing. Yet every other team did the same (tanking), and his tank & collect assets ( highest value asset flipping ) strategy will later be implemented by OKC to build roster they have today, one that won them title.

[Invictus88]

You deservedly can knock the process (it hasn't been good), but both Fears and Queen have flashed all-star potential. If they reach their potential it's a win.

Fears is irrelevant in the discussion of the pluses and minuses of the draft day trade because he wasn't a part of it.

I think it's more likely the Pelicans are awful this year. Even if Queen ends up as a good player you need to balance that against the opportunity cost lost of potentially a #1 or #2 pick in a very good draft class.

Youtube is also filled with highlight reels of failed players with cherry-picked moments showing 'all-star potential'.

Everything is actually about how good Queen will be.
Nobody will care about a theoretical overpay or a reach, it would just show that Dumars identified the right talent and went for it.
Imagine this discussion 5 year from now if he became another Giannis.

Nice to meet you Joe/Troy.

[Snakebites]

As a Piston fan I can’t tell you how surreal it is to watch this from a distance.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

The hiring process of NBA GMs is mind boggling, the person could have a terrible track record, and still get hired againg, because he has "experience".
Anyone who followed Dumars and Weaver work in Detroit should have expected this, the damage was already done at the hiring.
There is a conspiracy theory that Dumars is a company man sent by the NBA to destroy the Pelicans from within to relocate the franchise to Seattle/Vegas, this is a more plausible theory than hiring these 2 on merit.

There is no "process". People who climb ladders of nba front offices are often very good a** kissers or have strong political, blood or friendship connections to "main man".

Here is example. Matt Lloyd.

Started in 1999 with Bulls as media coordinator. By his own words, Krause told him how to scout- and he became a scout for Bulls. After 3 years of scouting ( most brutal for any Bulls fan possible where they drafted bum after bum after bum ) he was promoted into Senior Manager of Basketball Operations.
After that he was promoted into Director of College Scouting. (2007-2012).

After he was finally out from Bulls, he, by his own words, he introduced himself to Rob Hennigan. Hennigan gets promoted into youngest GM In nba, by Magic, and Lloyd becomes his Assistant General Manager.
Hennigan sucks so hard at his job, and Lloyd does what he does best: poor scouting. Over next several years, in charge or Magic scouting, under Hennigan, Magic draft: Elfrid Payton, Hezonja, Gordon and Oladpo + all the non-lottery picks. Gordon is only active nba player.

Hennigan gets fired, but guess who is only person who survives front office changes? Yep. Master of drafting himself. Still in charge of drafting, he plays pivotal role in Magic draft picks: Jonathan Isaac, Mo Bamba and Cole Anthony.

After years of sucking you will think nba is finally done with him? Wrong.. Guy gets best position yet, Senior Vice President of Basketball Operations for Wolves. And since 2024, he is now Wolves General Menager.


Few days ago i went to listen his interview for Orlando entering 2020 draft. Guy spent 36 min on youtube talking how he covered all the angles of scouting. Magic drafted Cole Anthony. Magic left on table: Tyrese Maxey, Payton Prichard and Emmanuel Quickley and Desmond Bane.


Billy King was GM for 16 years in nba.

NBA essentially black listed Sam Hinkie for smart GM-ing. Yet every other team did the same (tanking), and his tank & collect assets ( highest value asset flipping ) strategy will later be implemented by OKC to build roster they have today, one that won them title.

Not really
99 Brand, Artest, Bagaric
00 Fizer, Crawford (in a really awful draft)
01 Curry, Chandler
02 Williams
Not an amazing run, but not even a disaster

[Ryoga Hibiki]

Fears is irrelevant in the discussion of the pluses and minuses of the draft day trade because he wasn't a part of it.

I think it's more likely the Pelicans are awful this year. Even if Queen ends up as a good player you need to balance that against the opportunity cost lost of potentially a #1 or #2 pick in a very good draft class.

Youtube is also filled with highlight reels of failed players with cherry-picked moments showing 'all-star potential'.

Everything is actually about how good Queen will be.
Nobody will care about a theoretical overpay or a reach, it would just show that Dumars identified the right talent and went for it.
Imagine this discussion 5 year from now if he became another Giannis.

Nice to meet you Joe/Troy.

You are the one who suggested that it doesn't matter how good Queen will be. That's obviously ludicrous.
To be clear, I have no clue about how good this guy is

[nolaPELSfan]

Yall are a trip. Im glad everyone gets to have fun at the Pels expense, though; its a great pastime if youre a fan of the team. TBH though, yall aren't fans enough to do it right.

There are plenty of options: ownership historically cheap oblivious and partial. medical staff always been inept. historically terrible in the draft. GM mostly hasn't gotten to pick his coach so they've rarely been on the same page (still the case currently, keep in mind). historically prone to trading 1sts for expensive vets, trading players too late or not at all losing value. relocation worries at various times throughout the history, bad arena, terrible tv coverage until recently, pretty convincing talk of curse lol...LOSING- its been rough pretty much the whole time.

So yall'll have to forgive me for finding the current direction freshing. We clearly identified 2 young players with potential- but who already know how to play too, and are gamers. we always have traded our 1sts or drafted for potential we werent going to be able to actualize (or that didn't exist). Or traded down..yuck. A Bird in the hand IS worth more than two in the bush, y'know!

We've played the asset game. we're honestly not going to be able to do that. But im not sure we've seen that work for any team not the OKC Prestis. he's a one-off, he can do it all. He can ID the talent, have the champ build vision, cultuvate the staff, know value, etc. But the toughest thing he does is to make timely or pre-emptive splashes and changes. Most GMs don't have that, but i believe Dumars does that part.

He is bringing the most org fortitude and top down management we're going to have ever had, funny as that is to many im sure. Weaver is a good scout, they should work together. Lets see if they can have stones and timeliness trade guys like Zion and Murphy, for some lil hauls Then ill be convinced theyre the Nola chosen ones.


Okay now back to the regurgited inherited nerdcaster takes echo thing we had going on; thats my bad- carry on!

[Invictus88]

Everything is actually about how good Queen will be.
Nobody will care about a theoretical overpay or a reach, it would just show that Dumars identified the right talent and went for it.
Imagine this discussion 5 year from now if he became another Giannis.

Nice to meet you Joe/Troy.

You are the one who suggested that it doesn't matter how good Queen will be. That's obviously ludicrous.
To be clear, I have no clue about how good this guy is

No. I said Fears' progress doesn't factor into the discussion and Queen's success needs to be weighed against opportunity cost lost of the shipped pick.

Nowhere did I say it doesn't matter. RTFP

[DelAbbot]

He should have been fired on draft night. I'm 100% certain you could take a random poster from here and they would do a better job as GM than Dumars

But how did Dumars assemble those 2000-2008 Detroit Pistons rosters if he's this bad?

[Uncle Mxy]

Overalled a team with nothing in 2001 to a team that wins a championship in 2004. Pretty remarkable work by Joe Dumars.

Of course he was awful after that.

Some of that was ownership-induced. Davidson wouldn't let him go over the cap even to keep a proven championship team going, even when lots of teams did (and ownership managed to limit the impact of their poor choices here with the amnesty program). I can't blame Dumars TOO badly for taking a crap shoot on AI, on the theory that if it didn't work out, he'd have a boatload of cap space. Every decision afterwards, though... brutal!

Dumars should've been fired just for Troy Weaver.

[Mephariel]

The hiring process of NBA GMs is mind boggling, the person could have a terrible track record, and still get hired againg, because he has "experience".
Anyone who followed Dumars and Weaver work in Detroit should have expected this, the damage was already done at the hiring.
There is a conspiracy theory that Dumars is a company man sent by the NBA to destroy the Pelicans from within to relocate the franchise to Seattle/Vegas, this is a more plausible theory than hiring these 2 on merit.

I seriously wonder sometimes how much better these "basketball guys" would be than some ESPN/sports junkie who works as a financial analyst or some kinda lawyer who's involved in tax work. I'm talking guys not over 35 years old, not yet into the management ranks even. Like...would they really be any worse?

They have the skills to figure out the cap stuff. They can do the math. Maybe they suck negotiating? Maybe players won't respect them? But I dunno man...how much worse would they be?

A lot worst. There is more to GMs than just making pick decisions.

[Homer38]

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[bennyguns]

Amazing that Joe has arguably the best run by a GM and then arguably the worst run by a GM.

Putting the 2000 Piston squad was amazing(or just luck) followed by terrible moves afterwards with the pistons and now the Pelicans.