lilfishi22 wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:lilfishi22 wrote:That was me.
KD isn't wasting the last few years of his career on the Wizards lol
Sure! He chose what he thought was best for him at the late stages of his career man. But my point was that obviously perception and competitive trajectory can change rather quickly in the NBA.
All things considered, he was still under contract when we traded him. And the Washington situation as a #1 seed in the eastern conference might be a much easier and more beneficial path to the playoffs than playing in a loaded cutthroat western conference.
I still believe when all factors are fully considered, the wizards given the context of their current situation, is not as tar fetched of a possibility as some make out to be at surface level assessment.
My point of argument also being ( at the time) that they could improve rather quickly and be a playoff team. And that's currently being reflected by their standings now
I'm seriously curious what do you think IS the context of their current situation?
This tweet you're referencing is from 4 years ago, where the 2021-2022 Wizards went 25-44 the rest of the way to finish the season 35-47 or 12th in the East. The prior season that team won 34 games, so you're talking about a 1 game improvement. Like Brad Beal is still front and center of that tweet. I'm not sure if you're confused thinking this tweet is from the actual 2025 because the
current 2025-2026 Wizards are equal dead last not just in the East but in the whole NBA at 1-8. So your very serious argument is a team that won 18 games last season, doesn't even have an established semi-star (Poole/Kuz were their best players and both are gone now unless you consider a cooked CJ/Khris a semi-star), has virtually no record of recruiting real stars (maybe old MJ in the 2000s?), an unproven GM, a HC that has won a grand total of 26 games....across two seasons is the team KD would've bet his last few seasons on because he has some connection to DC?
And if you want to play the thought experiment that early success with a KD means a damn thing, let me remind you again that we started last season with KD with an 8-1 record and vibes were great and we finished the season with 36 wins. This is on a team with prime DBook, a championship level HC and a solid supporting cast.
The context of their current situation is that they have a solid core of exciting young players who are flanked by established vets and they also have significant cap space and a plethora of draft assets with which to actually upgrade their roster if they chose to,
Like in a scenario wherein they would approach KD and sell him on these factors, along with playing as the franchise centerpiece star alongside of McCollum, Coulilaby, Middleton and Sarr.
And with those assets, cap space, etc they could have significant flexibility to dramatically upgrade their roster around KD and be a legitimate playoff team in a much weaker and more wide open Eastern conference as a selling point for his consideration.
While He could finish his career as a hometown hero around his family and friends as that is actually a factor to some stars in sports. And good catch by the way on the timestamp invalidating the current premise somewhat.
Although I'd still argue that (currently) absent their obvious intention to tank for a loaded draft class, in the hypothetical premise of courting a player of KDs' established caliber, if added to their team, those intentions and competitive trajectory goals would change significantly.
And I'm not sure you could tell me that this Wizards current roster (downplaying situation or not) with KD added and the assets/ cap space they have for moves, wouldn't legitimately make the playoffs in a much weaker eastern conference.
I mean thanks for sharing those stats on their losing seasons ( by comparison to the western conference standards) but first off, we all know that in their current situation, they're intentionally tanking and not overtly concerned about winning.
But even aside from that consideration, consider for a moment the actual records of those eastern conference teams that still snuck into the playoffs in the Eastern conference as seeds in the 7-9 ranges. How many of them actually had winning records?
Obviously, the Eastern conference would be a cakewalk for a team with KD to make the playoffs under most conditions barring absolute calamity. So I'm unsure of the relevance of your stats that you've shared for this hypothetical thought experiment that's predicated upon the premise of this Wizards lineup WITH KD added.
Can you honestly tell me 8 better teams that would jump a lineup ( even absent post KD upgrades) of McCollum/ Coulibaly/ Middleton/ KD / Sarr plus depth pieces in the Eastern conference preventing them from being a playoff team?
You see the thought experiment we argued over was predicated upon the premise of what Washingtons' situation could be as a selling point in a potential pursuit of KD.
Now sure as Dremille so excitedly pointed out, I mistakenly shared a post from 2021 that was only recently shared yesterday on X. Sure! My bad, but regardless of that error, the argument is still a hypothetical premise that cannot be legitimately proven beyond subjective speculation.
But under the hypothetical conditions I've offered still remains absolutely plausible, Overall, each teams situations are highly individualized and subjective to a wide range of outcomes.
So a team can start off hot and finish poorly just the same as a team can start slow, add a key piece or star and make a run and surprise with unexpected outcomes too. By the way, how'd our situation with an established D Book, coach Bud, and a solid supporting cast work out for us again?? Each situation is and can be uniquely different man.