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Re: Official 2025-2026 Regular Season Thread 

Post#281 » by Bensational » Yesterday 12:52 am

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Idk bro if that's what you got out of my post it's not worth debating because I didn't say that at all. If you believe that this bad start is solely on Mose and me saying otherwise is me entrenching an opinion that he should be devoid of criticism, then my point isn't getting across - it's literally that he isn't solely responsible as most people seem to willingly parrot/agree with. He's part of a bigger issue.

I understand why coaches get the brunt of the criticism, I just don't agree with it. Neither do other coaches clearly whenever coaches get fired you always hear them speak their mind.


You’re the one treating it as him being solely responsible. Everyone has had criticisms for everyone from Paolo to Weltman, and you don’t push back as strongly on those comments.

Just read back over this discussion - you haven’t even entertained the kind of influence and responsibility Mosley has, you’re assigning that to assistant coaches (who were obviously brought in to address his shortcomings), and players. I think you’re reacting emotionally to the idea of “blame” instead of the reasoning that it’s a coach’s job to get a team working cohesively, and they can in fact fail at that job.
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Re: Official 2025-2026 Regular Season Thread 

Post#282 » by SOUL » Yesterday 1:01 am

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Idk bro if that's what you got out of my post it's not worth debating because I didn't say that at all. If you believe that this bad start is solely on Mose and me saying otherwise is me entrenching an opinion that he should be devoid of criticism, then my point isn't getting across - it's literally that he isn't solely responsible as most people seem to willingly parrot/agree with. He's part of a bigger issue.

I understand why coaches get the brunt of the criticism, I just don't agree with it. Neither do other coaches clearly whenever coaches get fired you always hear them speak their mind.


You’re the one treating it as him being solely responsible. Everyone has had criticisms for everyone from Paolo to Weltman, and you don’t push back as strongly on those comments.

Just read back over this discussion - you haven’t even entertained the kind of influence and responsibility Mosley has, you’re assigning that to assistant coaches (who were obviously brought in to address his shortcomings), and players. I think you’re reacting emotionally to the idea of “blame” instead of the reasoning that it’s a coach’s job to get a team working cohesively, and they can in fact fail at that job.


When the reaction to the blame is "fire" him? Yes, of course I would defend something harder if I don't believe that's the answer.

If anything, you're using your own metrics of what you feel is responsible between the coach and players, which may be more in line with what I agree with, than seeing everyone else simply saying to fire the coach, which is where my gripe is with.
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Re: Official 2025-2026 Regular Season Thread 

Post#283 » by Bensational » Yesterday 1:12 am

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When the reaction to the blame is "fire" him? Yes, of course I would defend something harder if I don't believe that's the answer.

If anything, you're using your own metrics of what you feel is responsible between the coach and players, which may be more in line with what I agree with, than seeing everyone else simply saying to fire the coach, which is where my gripe is with.


TBH my opinion is shaped more from my lived experience with leadership and management not being held accountable for their lack of those things and other professionals instead getting blamed and fired instead, so I’m probably more emotionally reactive to that element. I’m not a fan of leaders who take credit for other people’s work, or who pass the buck on their own responsibility.

Mosley doesn’t strike me as that kind of guy, and I’ve always been a fan and supporter of his. But man, if I were in the equivalent of his position and set up with a high paying job and roster full of star talent I would be sweating bullets if my crew had delivered the kind of results the Magic team has this season.
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Re: Official 2025-2026 Regular Season Thread 

Post#284 » by MasterGMer » Yesterday 7:11 am

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zuppafly wrote:I am hoping already for Taylor Jenkins. Not Malone, like many have mentioned here, please.


Why not Malone? Just curious to hear your reasoning.

Seems like exactly the kind of coach this iteration of the Magic needs.

Don't like his style at all. Don't like his offense and to be honest I feel that any average coach would achieve what he did with the best player on the universe that year.

Taylor had a top 3 offense with the Grizzlies, even (in particular) with Ja out a long time. Bane excelled, JJJ looked a star. Their offense didn't rely on pick and roll (out players are bad at it), and way more on off ball movement when the game slowed. They went fast on transition but were always under control. He left because Ja kind of owns that franchise and wanted to be even more of a heliocentric piece in it.


Don't you think Nikola Jokic's development in DEN is largely attributed to Malone?

After the draft, Jokic wasn't ready for the NBA and he stayed in Serbia for one year

Malone and the FO of DEN found Nikola and they developed him thus he is the player he is today. Yes, with his potential and basketball IQ
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Re: Official 2025-2026 Regular Season Thread 

Post#285 » by cedric76 » Yesterday 11:33 am

Seems like Moses has made his mind on JI,Jett and Tyus

Things to keep in mind, there are 33 games left after the trade deadline so any team trading for JI, could give him 33 DNP and clear his contract (only 8 M GTD on the 44M he has left)

Let s see if we can find a nice back up SG at the trade deadline

Suggs, AB, Jase
Bane,
Franz, TDS, Penda
P5,Moe
WCJ, Goga
Suggs, AB, Tyus, Jase
Bane, AB, TDS , Jett
Franz, TDS, Panda
P5, JI, Panda, Moe
Wcj, Goga, Moe
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Post#286 » by Bergmaniac » Yesterday 1:55 pm

Looking at the lineup and on/off data so far (small sample and all) it is interesting that the starting lineup has been really good on both ends (14.9 net rating, 118.9 ORTG), the starters with Black instead of Suggs have been good (2.8 net rating), but we are getting destroyed pretty much every time Tyus (-16.5 net rating) or Isaac (-19.8 net rating) step on the court. The "Franz plus bench players" lineups have been a major strength of this team for years but this year we are losing these minutes and that's has been a significant factor for the losses. The lineups with Franz on the court and Paolo on the bench have had a -7.1 net rating, for comparison last season it was 8.3.
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Re: Official 2025-2026 Regular Season Thread 

Post#287 » by Idiosyncratic » Yesterday 2:39 pm

Bergmaniac wrote:Looking at the lineup and on/off data so far (small sample and all) it is interesting that the starting lineup has been really good on both ends (14.9 net rating, 118.9 ORTG), the starters with Black instead of Suggs have been good (2.8 net rating), but we are getting destroyed pretty much every time Tyus (-16.5 net rating) or Isaac (-19.8 net rating) step on the court. The "Franz plus bench players" lineups have been a major strength of this team for years but this year we are losing these minutes and that's has been a significant factor for the losses. The lineups with Franz on the court and Paolo on the bench have had a -7.1 net rating, for comparison last season it was 8.3.


Yeah it's almost at the point where if I was Mose I would just play those guys replacements (Jase/Penda) because how much worse can it get and we need them next year you know?

We have the makings of a pretty good offensive bench if Mo returns the same as he was. AB/TDS/Mo is some serious scoring punch off the bench.
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Post#288 » by eyriq » Yesterday 2:44 pm

I think Mosley wants to coach a motion/5 out, positionless offense a la Kerr's Warriors, with a defense built around switch everything wings.

The defensive build is proven. We'll see if the offense develops. Personally I think winghub is the way but we'll see what happens.
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Re: Official 2025-2026 Regular Season Thread 

Post#289 » by Skybox » Yesterday 2:58 pm

glad to see AB had a good game (based on minutes, 4 assists to 1 turnover, 4 steals, and RealGM reviews...I didn't watch)...once again, the stage is set for him to assert himself into a significant role. The door is wide open...let's see if he grabs it this time. Tyus, it appears, hasn't been good, but don't discount him yet...good for everybody if AB takes his minutes away before Jase jumps in.

IF AB becomes a serious consideration as a starter or, at least, SOLID reliable offensive contributor as first guard off the bench...it opens all kinds of possible directions for the TD.
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Re: Official 2025-2026 Regular Season Thread 

Post#290 » by Knightro » Yesterday 6:49 pm

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A 6.7 NET rating would rank 5th in the NBA...
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Post#291 » by eyriq » Yesterday 7:28 pm

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A 6.7 NET rating would rank 5th in the NBA...
The process behind our interest in Tyus was fine. It just isn't working out. Cut our losses ASAP
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Post#292 » by thelead » Yesterday 7:37 pm

eyriq wrote:
Knightro wrote:
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A 6.7 NET rating would rank 5th in the NBA...
The process behind our interest in Tyus was fine. It just isn't working out. Cut our losses ASAP

Use him as a trade piece since he is an expiring contract. That with JI and Jett could net us a really nice player that can contribute.
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Post#293 » by thelead » Yesterday 7:48 pm

TDS is providing Mo's offense off the bench. Did not see that coming and it is much needed.

He's averaging 12ppg in 21mpg on 49/44/88 splits for a 64.6 TS%
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Post#294 » by rcklsscognition » Yesterday 8:45 pm

I don’t like how we are using Tyus right now but feel like you’ve got to wait and try the Tyus/Moe combo before giving up on him.

One issue we may be having is our sub patterns with Tyus and Franz. Paolo is taking long breaks between Q1 and Q2 and Franz is coming in and running the point a lot at that time while we also play Tyus, it’s not aligned well.
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Post#295 » by eyriq » Yesterday 9:22 pm

Tyus and JI are on the cusp of losing their rotation mins. True or false?
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Post#296 » by Braggins » Yesterday 9:29 pm

cedric76 wrote:Seems like Moses has made his mind on JI,Jett and Tyus

Things to keep in mind, there are 33 games left after the trade deadline so any team trading for JI, could give him 33 DNP and clear his contract (only 8 M GTD on the 44M he has left)

Let s see if we can find a nice back up SG at the trade deadline

Suggs, AB, Jase
Bane,
Franz, TDS, Penda
P5,Moe
WCJ, Goga

Idk if you guys still have expendable picks to trade, but I still think Malik Monk would be dope on this team and would be a great backup SG option. Jonathan Isaac + Howard or Jase or Tyus works salary wise.
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Post#297 » by basketballRob » Yesterday 9:46 pm

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A 6.7 NET rating would rank 5th in the NBA...
I like the idea of playing Penda in his minutes. We've been getting out-sized by some of the good teams, and Penda seems like he could be an analytics darling.

Tyus might work on certain teams who have dominant defensive bigs. He'd probably look great playing with Wemby.

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Post#298 » by Idiosyncratic » Yesterday 9:57 pm

eyriq wrote:Tyus and JI are on the cusp of losing their rotation mins. True or false?


I think so. JI still could have some use next to Mo later in the season though.

Tyus I think they will give another few games and then actually consider removing from the rotation. I think he can definitely do a bit better on offense, but I'm not even sure positive regression there will make him playable with his defense at this point. The fit has just been bad.

With G League starting up I would be heavily scouting for a two-way contract guard to replace Castleton with. Reality is Tyus maybe is cooked and Jett has always been unplayable. They don't want to play Jase yet, so they really could use another body there at some point. Not even to mention potential injuries. Could also be an area for a mid season trade.
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Re: Official 2025-2026 Regular Season Thread 

Post#299 » by cedric76 » Yesterday 10:11 pm

Braggins wrote:
cedric76 wrote:Seems like Moses has made his mind on JI,Jett and Tyus

Things to keep in mind, there are 33 games left after the trade deadline so any team trading for JI, could give him 33 DNP and clear his contract (only 8 M GTD on the 44M he has left)

Let s see if we can find a nice back up SG at the trade deadline

Suggs, AB, Jase
Bane,
Franz, TDS, Penda
P5,Moe
WCJ, Goga

Idk if you guys still have expendable picks to trade, but I still think Malik Monk would be dope on this team and would be a great backup SG option. Jonathan Isaac + Howard or Jase or Tyus works salary wise.


Monk would be great This season, however trading for him now would put us well above the second apron next season

with our cap situation, i cant see us taking on long contract

also, on paper Jett would be that perfect SG back up (we could resign him on the cheap next season if we expect him to break out)

Suggs, AB, Jase
Bane, Jett
Franz, TDS, Penda
P5,Moe
WCJ, Gog
Suggs, AB, Tyus, Jase
Bane, AB, TDS , Jett
Franz, TDS, Panda
P5, JI, Panda, Moe
Wcj, Goga, Moe
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Re: Official 2025-2026 Regular Season Thread 

Post#300 » by Braggins » Yesterday 10:18 pm

cedric76 wrote:
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Braggins wrote:
cedric76 wrote:Seems like Moses has made his mind on JI,Jett and Tyus

Things to keep in mind, there are 33 games left after the trade deadline so any team trading for JI, could give him 33 DNP and clear his contract (only 8 M GTD on the 44M he has left)

Let s see if we can find a nice back up SG at the trade deadline

Suggs, AB, Jase
Bane,
Franz, TDS, Penda
P5,Moe
WCJ, Goga

Idk if you guys still have expendable picks to trade, but I still think Malik Monk would be dope on this team and would be a great backup SG option. Jonathan Isaac + Howard or Jase or Tyus works salary wise.

Monk would be great This season, however trading for him now would put us well above the second apron next season

with our cap situation, i cant see us taking on long contract

also, on paper Jett would be that perfect SG back up (we could resign him on the cheap next season if we expect him to break out)

Suggs, AB, Jase
Bane, Jett
Franz, TDS, Penda
P5,Moe
WCJ, Gog

Fair enough. I've never really looked deeply into the financial situation here. The 2nd apron is scary but I think Orlando has the potential to be good enough that maybe it would be acceptable depending on when their other contracts expire (if they have a clear way out within the next couple years).

The start hasn't been ideal obviously, but I think this team is potentially really good and the East is so open right now.

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