jakobe & Dick were bad picks

[MEDIC]

I wanted them to pick George. Thought he fell to them.

Can't remember who I wanted in the Jakobe draft. At least he can play defenae & handle the ball a little. Just needs to work on his shot.....which isn't broken. I thought he had a good rookie year.

Minutes were handed to these guys last season. They didn't have to work hard to earn them. Now they are behind good players & teally have to hone their skills in the background.

If Jakobe was smart, he'd be asking for minutes on the 905 this year.

Edit: I think the guys I was most interested in during the Jakobe/ Mogbo draft were Ryan Dunn, Flip & Ighodaro.

[manjusaka]

Jakobe need to study BI on how to get the feet ready for getting the shot off.

[Clutch0z24]

i mean the vast majority of the picks before and after dick and walter all pretty much sucked too

Id take Keyonte George over Dick , And Kyshawn George or Yves Missi over Jakobe anyday of the week.....I remember liking Kyshawn George in the 2024 draft reminded me of a Cam Johnson clone....Hes deff having a big year so far for the Wizards.

Ofc Hindsight is always something you can't predict but thats what getting every draft pick right can do for you....Also that Thad Young trade will go down as a horrible blunder as well.

[PhilBlackson]

I wanted the following

Missi: Pretty good, would have had a role on the team as a bench big

Collier: Decent pg skills but Shead is a better overall player imo

Carrington: Had flashes but unsure if its the Wizards structure or him not progressing in the right way

Ky George: Looks great, wanted him for the 3D potential and he looks like he has some on ball stuff going on too

Da silva: Has looked better than JKW overall since rookie season

What about Gradey's draft?

For me...I had Keyonte top of my board at the time of our pick and I'll be honest I also at the time felt like if not him than Whitmore (who obv the jury is still very much out on, I thought the issue was the injury but I won't lie I'm worried it's his attitude so we might've dodged a bullet lol tbh). I really wanted Coulibaly, Walker or Cason but they obv didn't fall.

For JaKobe's draft...I loved Ware the most and then Bub but of course neither guy fell that far. When we were on the clock I wanted Kyshawn George because we lacked a SF, didn't think he'd become a star but thought he has some nice potential and better fit a roster NEED (especially at the time pre-BI trade) which played into who I wanted at the Mogbo pick. But JaKobe "fell" to us so I didn't have a serious issue with it although it wasn't a "need" considering we just drafted Gradey & had RJ.

I did not want Mogbo (period) buuut didn't whine about it because it just felt like a move to appease Scottie to me and a long, athletic guy who can't shoot is an expected norm around here so I thought maybe I have to start giving the benefit of the doubt. But personally tbt I had Furphy ahead at the time based on what I thought they would do & because again I thought we needed some depth at SF and he was billed as a kid who could shoot and defend. I didn't realize he was this athletic and I believe he will eventually become a good rotation player. BUT I really, really liked Ajay Mitchell just as as a standalone prospect. I just really loved his bball IQ/decision making, I hadn't honestly factored his height into the equation at the time but man would he be perfect now.

Not that he's stood out as yet but I also personally would've drafted Raynaud instead of Martin but again wasn't mad at it because you could see the FO desire to create a defensive culture. I didn't realize CMB hadn't practiced his 3pt shooting at all in college so I had both Bryant and then Coward as the guys I liked most BUT thought there was no way we were passing on a big since the FO (well Masai) literally went on record saying we need a young big to "develop" given that and obv the GOA connection I thought like a lot of people Maluach was the shoe in pick - and rumours were that Masai DID in fact want him but Rich Paul asked that he wasn't drafted (my guess from his relationship w/ Masai knew it didn't look likely Masai returns as Pres) and that CMB was a Bobby decision...and now I'm pretty damn happy with the pick but Coward looks like he would've been the best FIT for our starting lineup.

[FunkaRaptor]

They're both still so young.

Grady's still just 21 (22 later this month) and younger than Chucky Hepburn (22), Alijah Martin (23), Shead (23), and Mobgo (24). Ja'Kobe just turned 21 in September. We need to reassess at the end of this year and even later.

[Johnny Bball]

The biggest thing that is clear is that we could use a consolidation trade...or trade a guy for pick. Just not enough playing time for everyone when we are healthy.

Or a G for C swap helps when the next injury to Yak to Mamu happens.

But yeah, this pics are are not homeruns. But we didn't miss out on homers either.

Been saying since game 2 it’s clear the FO needs to clarify the bench wing position. That or make CMB or Mamu a 3 offensively and bring in a C. So far it’s looking like Dick is winning the position battle against JKW/Ochai/Battle

It always takes until November and when the G league opens for things to settle down and the lineup to sort itself out. Maybe this year is different, but just saying.

[tms]

Worst ever first-rounders

1. Bargnani 2006
2. Araujo 2004
3. Radojevic 1999
4. Caboclo 2014
5. Jefferies 2002
6. Bradley 2001
7. Flynn 2020
8. Graham 2005
9. Wright 2015
10. Dick 2023/Walter 2024

As of today they sneak into the bottom ten for me- but just cuz someone’s gotta be there. Otherwise they don't belong w any of those names. Especially not the top (bottom?) six. They'll both be in the league for a long time imho

[Psubs]

Tanking and trades not done right.

[C_Money]

They're both still so young.

Grady's still just 21 (22 later this month) and younger than Chucky Hepburn (22), Alijah Martin (23), Shead (23), and Mobgo (24). Ja'Kobe just turned 21 in September. We need to reassess at the end of this year and even later.

The lack of player development is concerning. Not just for those 2 but for all of them.

[Thaddy]

I wanted them to pick George. Thought he fell to them.

Can't remember who I wanted in the Jakobe draft. At least he can play defenae & handle the ball a little. Just needs to work on his shot.....which isn't broken. I thought he had a good rookie year.

Minutes were handed to these guys last season. They didn't have to work hard to earn them. Now they are behind good players & teally have to hone their skills in the background.

If Jakobe was smart, he'd be asking for minutes on the 905 this year.

Edit: I think the guys I was most interested in during the Jakobe/ Mogbo draft were Ryan Dunn, Flip & Ighodaro.

The reason they probably went with Jakobe is because he ranked way higher on a pure talent stand point. He's in the Gradey range or even higher.

You get shooting and defense. There's some creation, ball handling, and foul drawing ability with him too.

I have him as a KCP+ in the future. He'll like exceed that and be even better because we have a good program here.

George is never going to be a creator. He's another Cam Johnson but worse on defense and kind of soft. He noticeably avoids contact and has serious issues with finishing.

We made the right choice.

[Kevin Willis]

Gradey is fine, he wasn't a bad pick. Jakobe needs to grow.

[Los_29]

i mean the vast majority of the picks before and after dick and walter all pretty much sucked too

Id take Keyonte George over Dick , And Kyshawn George or Yves Missi over Jakobe anyday of the week.....I remember liking Kyshawn George in the 2024 draft reminded me of a Cam Johnson clone....Hes deff having a big year so far for the Wizards.

Ofc Hindsight is always something you can't predict but thats what getting every draft pick right can do for you....Also that Thad Young trade will go down as a horrible blunder as well.

8 games into the season. Those players we “missed” out on are players that you never mentioned. I noticed how you’ve been very quiet about Cam Whitmore this year.

Both George’s are on bad teams. Horrific teams. They are also shooting well above their career norms.

That Thad Young trade is not a horrible blunder. To give you an example of why it’s not a blunder, the Spurs got the 20th pick and were in the lottery for another three years. Jazz got the best player after our pick and they haven’t made the playoffs.

Man, we’ve been so spoiled.

[Clutch0z24]

i mean the vast majority of the picks before and after dick and walter all pretty much sucked too

Id take Keyonte George over Dick , And Kyshawn George or Yves Missi over Jakobe anyday of the week.....I remember liking Kyshawn George in the 2024 draft reminded me of a Cam Johnson clone....Hes deff having a big year so far for the Wizards.

Ofc Hindsight is always something you can't predict but thats what getting every draft pick right can do for you....Also that Thad Young trade will go down as a horrible blunder as well.

8 games into the season. Those players we “missed” out on are players that you never mentioned. I noticed how you’ve been very quiet about Cam Whitmore this year.

Both George’s are on bad teams. Horrific teams. They are also shooting well above their career norms.

That Thad Young trade is not a horrible blunder. To give you an example of why it’s not a blunder, the Spurs got the 20th pick and were in the lottery for another three years. Jazz got the best player after our pick and they haven’t made the playoffs.

Man, we’ve been so spoiled.

You are the same guy who said Wemby would be a bust and isn't that good of a player.....You have horrible takes bud.

Id take both the Goerges and Kessler over Thad, Dick ,Walter anyday of the week

[Los_29]

Id take Keyonte George over Dick , And Kyshawn George or Yves Missi over Jakobe anyday of the week.....I remember liking Kyshawn George in the 2024 draft reminded me of a Cam Johnson clone....Hes deff having a big year so far for the Wizards.

Ofc Hindsight is always something you can't predict but thats what getting every draft pick right can do for you....Also that Thad Young trade will go down as a horrible blunder as well.

8 games into the season. Those players we “missed” out on are players that you never mentioned. I noticed how you’ve been very quiet about Cam Whitmore this year.

Both George’s are on bad teams. Horrific teams. They are also shooting well above their career norms.

That Thad Young trade is not a horrible blunder. To give you an example of why it’s not a blunder, the Spurs got the 20th pick and were in the lottery for another three years. Jazz got the best player after our pick and they haven’t made the playoffs.

Man, we’ve been so spoiled.

You are the same guy who said Wemby would be a bust and isn't that good of a player.....You have horrible takes bud.

Id take both the Goerges and Kessler over Thad, Dick ,Walter anyday of the week

You brought this up last time and you were shown to be lying. Don’t twist people’s words around to take away from your horrible takes.

You said it was a horrible blunder and the Jazz are going to end up having one of the worst records in the league again despite having Kessler. Never made the playoffs with Kessler.

And I find it hilarious how you’re bringing up Kyshawn George after 8 games and having never mentioned his name before. You think he’s shooting 50% from three all year?

[Clutch0z24]

8 games into the season. Those players we “missed” out on are players that you never mentioned. I noticed how you’ve been very quiet about Cam Whitmore this year.

Both George’s are on bad teams. Horrific teams. They are also shooting well above their career norms.

That Thad Young trade is not a horrible blunder. To give you an example of why it’s not a blunder, the Spurs got the 20th pick and were in the lottery for another three years. Jazz got the best player after our pick and they haven’t made the playoffs.

Man, we’ve been so spoiled.

You are the same guy who said Wemby would be a bust and isn't that good of a player.....You have horrible takes bud.

Id take both the Goerges and Kessler over Thad, Dick ,Walter anyday of the week

You brought this up last time and you were shown to be lying. Don’t twist people’s words around to take away from your horrible takes.

You said it was a horrible blunder and the Jazz are going to end up having one of the worst records in the league again despite having Kessler. Never made the playoffs with Kessler.

And I find it hilarious how you’re bringing up Kyshawn George after 8 games and having never mentioned his name before. You think he’s shooting 50% from three all year?

I literally showed your past posts saying people are stupid to tank for Wemby because he will be a bust anyways and is overhyped

Individual talent can still be a blunder to miss out on even if they never "Made the playoffs" with their said team ....What kind of half assed take is that....If that is the case most of the Raptors roster are busts because they fail to make the playoffs year after year....Its a team sport a talented player could be on a struggling team and still be a better player than players on winning teams...

I liked Kyshawn George on draft night just thought he was a project which he still is but you could see in his game before the draft he had a smooth jumpshot and had good size and length....And yes he is a good player he is having a good season because he worked on his game and its showing....Just because he is on a bad team does not mean hes not talented as a player....He will be better than JoKobe.

[Los_29]

You are the same guy who said Wemby would be a bust and isn't that good of a player.....You have horrible takes bud.

Id take both the Goerges and Kessler over Thad, Dick ,Walter anyday of the week

You brought this up last time and you were shown to be lying. Don’t twist people’s words around to take away from your horrible takes.

You said it was a horrible blunder and the Jazz are going to end up having one of the worst records in the league again despite having Kessler. Never made the playoffs with Kessler.

And I find it hilarious how you’re bringing up Kyshawn George after 8 games and having never mentioned his name before. You think he’s shooting 50% from three all year?

I literally showed your past posts saying people are stupid to tank for Wemby because he will be a bust anyways and is overhyped

Individual talent can still be a blunder to miss out on even if they never "Made the playoffs" with their said team ....What kind of half assed take is that....If that is the case most of the Raptors roster are busts because they fail to make the playoffs year after year....Its a team sport a talented player could be on a struggling team and still be a better player than players on winning teams...

I liked Kyshawn George on draft night just thought he was a project which he still is but you could see in his game before the draft he had a smooth jumpshot and had good size and length....And yes he is a good player he is having a good season because he worked on his game and its showing....Just because he is on a bad team does not mean hes not talented as a player....He will be better than JoKobe.

No, you had a quote where I had concerns about his body type and how players with that body type don’t have long careers. He’s also not dominating the game yet. Teams will be content to have him shoot mid-to-high 40s from the field and low 30s from three. He’s going to need to improve that. The flashes he shows are incredible though like the opener against the Mavs.

Just keep up with all this flip flopping. I truly do admire it. Didn’t take long for you to forget about Whitmore. I remember the debate we had in the summer. George shot horrific percentages last year. Didn’t hear you claiming he was a better prospect than Walter. This year though it’s an egregious error on the FO. lol.

Edit: just checked and it appears as though today is the first time you ever mentioned Kyshawn George’s name on here.

[Clutch0z24]

You brought this up last time and you were shown to be lying. Don’t twist people’s words around to take away from your horrible takes.

You said it was a horrible blunder and the Jazz are going to end up having one of the worst records in the league again despite having Kessler. Never made the playoffs with Kessler.

And I find it hilarious how you’re bringing up Kyshawn George after 8 games and having never mentioned his name before. You think he’s shooting 50% from three all year?

I literally showed your past posts saying people are stupid to tank for Wemby because he will be a bust anyways and is overhyped

Individual talent can still be a blunder to miss out on even if they never "Made the playoffs" with their said team ....What kind of half assed take is that....If that is the case most of the Raptors roster are busts because they fail to make the playoffs year after year....Its a team sport a talented player could be on a struggling team and still be a better player than players on winning teams...

I liked Kyshawn George on draft night just thought he was a project which he still is but you could see in his game before the draft he had a smooth jumpshot and had good size and length....And yes he is a good player he is having a good season because he worked on his game and its showing....Just because he is on a bad team does not mean hes not talented as a player....He will be better than JoKobe.

No, you had a quote where I had concerns about his body type and how players with that body type don’t have long careers. He’s also not dominating the game yet. Teams will be content to have him shoot mid-to-high 40s from the field and low 30s from three. He’s going to need to improve that. The flashes he shows are incredible though like the opener against the Mavs.

Just keep up with all this flip flopping. I truly do admire it. Didn’t take long for you to forget about Whitmore. I remember the debate we had in the summer. George shot horrific percentages last year. Didn’t hear you claiming he was a better prospect than Walter. This year though it’s an egregious error on the FO. lol.

Lol right....

Ofc hinsight is part of the convo and its hard to predict....Which i clearly stated in my post...But that is what getting draft picks right can do, It can change how good your team is dramatically...

But its easy to see who is better in hinsight....Gradey is not that good of a player it is what it is....Hes playable and can make a rotation but hes not some staple you keep long term....Hes someone you use in a package trade to upgrade. He is horribly inconsistant and not a good defender and is not a "Shooter" like he was labled to be...You have been defending Gradey on this board for years like hes a superstar in the making....Time to let go of that "Dream" you have.

And JoKobe id much rather have Missi who would be much needed on this team even if George would be the better player of the 3.

Just because i never spoke about Kyshawn on the board does not mean i havn't watched him in college and didn't "Like" his game....I never talked about alot of players on this board i like as players in the past. I don't tend to share everything im thinking on the board

[Los_29]

I literally showed your past posts saying people are stupid to tank for Wemby because he will be a bust anyways and is overhyped

Individual talent can still be a blunder to miss out on even if they never "Made the playoffs" with their said team ....What kind of half assed take is that....If that is the case most of the Raptors roster are busts because they fail to make the playoffs year after year....Its a team sport a talented player could be on a struggling team and still be a better player than players on winning teams...

I liked Kyshawn George on draft night just thought he was a project which he still is but you could see in his game before the draft he had a smooth jumpshot and had good size and length....And yes he is a good player he is having a good season because he worked on his game and its showing....Just because he is on a bad team does not mean hes not talented as a player....He will be better than JoKobe.

No, you had a quote where I had concerns about his body type and how players with that body type don’t have long careers. He’s also not dominating the game yet. Teams will be content to have him shoot mid-to-high 40s from the field and low 30s from three. He’s going to need to improve that. The flashes he shows are incredible though like the opener against the Mavs.

Just keep up with all this flip flopping. I truly do admire it. Didn’t take long for you to forget about Whitmore. I remember the debate we had in the summer. George shot horrific percentages last year. Didn’t hear you claiming he was a better prospect than Walter. This year though it’s an egregious error on the FO. lol.

Lol right....

Ofc hinsight is part of the convo and its hard to predict....Which i clearly stated in my post...But that is what getting draft picks right can do, It can change how good your team is dramatically...

But its easy to see who is better in hinsight....Gradey is not that good of a player it is what it is....Hes playable and can make a rotation but hes not some staple you keep long term....Hes someone you use in a package trade to upgrade. He is horribly inconsistant and not a good defender and is not a "Shooter" like he was labled to be...You have been defending Gradey on this board for years like hes a superstar in the making....Time to let go of that "Dream" you have.

And JoKobe id much rather have Missi who would be much needed on this team even if George would be the better player of the 3.

Just because i never spoke about Kyshawn on the board does not mean i havn't watched him in college and didn't "Like" his game....I never talked about alot of players on this board i like as players in the past. I don't tend to share everything im thinking on the board

Writing way too much when all you have to say is you flip flop way too much, and have no idea who any of these guys are aside from looking at box score numbers.

Yves Missi wasn’t good last year. Center with below average efficiency and no shooting isn’t a valuable player. Mamu is wildly outplaying him.

The guys we missed out on aren’t actually that good, at least right now. We are also 8 games into the season and the three players we supposedly missed out on are on the worst teams in the league and their teams are getting destroyed.

[WiggOuts]

Terrible thread. Both these guys are 21 years old and are being developed, there are players drafted this year that are older then them. Their minutes are not based on need like most young players on bad teams. Of course it would be nice for them to produce big consistently but they don't really play consistently. They both have a long way to go before you can call them bad picks.

I expect to see more from Gradey this season being his 3rd year but the jury is not out on him. All I know is Gradey had and elite NBA skill in shooting, once he finds his groove and consistency hes a huge positive on any team.

Do you know why Walter played today? Because he's one of few people that can keep up with someone like Maxey. He has elite foot speed and lateral quickness, that is extremely hard to find. He needs more time

People need to realize that not everyone is an all star or a bust. You need players to fill roles and you look for guys with specific skills to do so. Both of these guys potentially have that but you sure as hell won't know for sure when they're only 21 years old

[canz55]

Worst ever first-rounders

1. Bargnani 2006
2. Araujo 2004
3. Radojevic 1999
4. Caboclo 2014
5. Jefferies 2002
6. Bradley 2001
7. Flynn 2020
8. Graham 2005
9. Wright 2015
10. Dick 2023/Walter 2024

As of today they sneak into the bottom ten for me- but just cuz someone’s gotta be there. Otherwise they don't belong w any of those names. Especially not the top (bottom?) six. They'll both be in the league for a long time imho

Araujo is definitely number 1. That was the reach of the century.