PG: Back to .500 (5-5)

[Madvillainy2004]

Which team has a two way legit pg? I can’t think of any

I think one of the consequences of our D that we aren’t talking about is that when Ingram, RJ, or IQ give up free paths to the rim it results in lots of fouls and forces unexpected rotations which makes it hard to rebound or close out on shooters. It’s a problem.

In a perfect world, IQ would be our 6th man & we would have a legit 2 way starting PG.

SGA is pretty good defensively but depends if you classify him as a PG lol but other than that, guys like Maxey/Curry/Harden/Brunson/Cade/Luka all range from bad on defense to "not terrible" but id hardly classify them as 2 way players lol

[YogurtProducer]

He’s drastically improved our half court offense. We need him.

It’s extremely difficult to acquire a player of his calibre.

It arguing that, just like for a time we needed Demar.

Once you are a serious team though, Ingram gotta go. Hes not elite enough offensively to make up for his defence.

I didn’t say give him away, I just hope he’s the main piece in a consolation trade if one ever were to arise

We needed DeMar to make the playoffs and he did that every year he was #1 option averaging 53 wins and reached ECF. By contrast, Ingram is in his 10th season and has made the playoff twice playing in only 10 playoff games. DeMar was a leader for us in a lead-by example way with his high work ethic & high intensity ways vs. Ingram who plays more lackadaisical relying more on his natural talent as a scorer and not much of a leader type.

You can argue with a weakened East Conference, those DeRozan/Lowry led teams today would be one of the favorites to reach ECF. This is not the case for Ingram/Barnes led team today. So if this team isn't projected to be a serious team, then by extension of your definition, Ingram gotta go.

The better question may be why is he here in the first place, but I digress. In a consolidation trade & assuming he won't be traded this season, then what main piece are you going to get in return for a 10-yr vet with only 10 playoff games under his belt & on an expiring contract (player option in 2027)? In terms of co-leading teams to the playoffs, Ingram has much less of a pedigree than DeRozan back in 2018. Bobby has a lot of work to do.

I mean, we don’t have a Lowry.

Swap Demar and Ingram on those mid 2010s teams and we don’t notice anything.

If a star asks out, Ingram is just a good piece ala Demar was for Kawhi. Somehow you gotta get $50M+ to send out and it’ll be Ingram if one arises

[YogurtProducer]

Where have you seen that?

I think Ingram is a bitch now but I dont want him gone over it.

I saw people on reddit/Twitter saying to get rid of him but in reality he will probably apologize then it'll be forgetten about in a week

Yup some people are saying they're 100% out on cheering for Ingram.

I mean I did say that. I just went from being neutral on the guy to not really liking him.

I’ll still cheer for us to win but his style of play was already annoying me, and now it turns out he’s also kind of immature.

His entire game is “me, me, me”. Very much Demar 2.0 who I also disliked by the time he was done here. I just didn’t think it was possible for their to be a worse defensive version of Demar

[AkelaLoneWolf]

It's absolutely baffling to me that this team couldn't add another competent C especially knowing that Poeltl will miss a reasonable number of games.

tbh our bench guard offense production is a bigger deal right now. the big man backup position does need to be addressed over time though i agree.

[right between the eyes]

Why is our management so against Centers? It doesn't make sense. I even remember when Biyombo played well for us. We made no attempt to keep him it seems. We have too many guards and need a big desperately.

[everdiso]

I mean when your starting C is out of the lineup against Embiid, then your C spot is never gonna look great. But tbh backup C doesn't look like a real problem to me - Mamu/CMB both look good and played well in this one.

Shead also looks very good as bench PG.

The bench looks good. Es was saying on twitter that we have one of the best bench net ratings in the league.

The one real issue on the bench is the wing players. What's funny about that is two of those guys - Dick and Agbaji - were regular starters for us last year. That's how far we've come.

[deeps6x]

38 mins for Ochai, Gradey and Walter combined.

6 pts, 3 reb, 0 assists, 1 steal...combined.

Not ideal from 3 former 1st rounders. Play the undrafted Battle.

So sad that the only reason Battle's not playing is because hes undrafted... such stupid logic when youre trying to win this year.

Are we trying to win this year? Or are we doing things that would 'hopefully' showcase players we are hoping to trade? Poeltl should have been playing this game, and resting the previous one.

Giving minutes to Ochai/Walter/Dick over Battle when none are giving us anything.

It feels like we're trying to build stats for players we need to trade. Fantastic year for a top 3 pick, but I don't think we have much of a shot, so I doubt we're actively tanking.

Keep playing Battle in the Cup games at least, if we're going to be doing this crap until the trade deadline.

[anotherhomer]

One thing through 10 games.... I hope we move on from Ingram in a consolidation trade ASAP - hopefully this summer for a real star. His defensive ability is just insanely bad and A LOT of our teams deficiencies are fixed if you can get a 2-way player in his place.

His game is fun to watch offensively, but your ceiling is severely capped when he is such a defensive liability.

It'd be easier to tolerate if we had more plus defenders in the SL besides Scottie, but yeah it's hard to watch. He's like DeMar level bad on defense.

meh....i think we just trying to get back to reliable .500 ball with a reliable half-court offense creator

baseball analogy, have mediocre starting pitchers that give 4-5ish ERA but can eat up innings for the regular season,
which blue jays were doing for a while

[canada_dry]

Darko'd

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[anotherhomer]

I mean when your starting C is out of the lineup against Embiid, then your C spot is never gonna look great. But tbh backup C doesn't look like a real problem to me - Mamu/CMB both look good and played well in this one.

Shead also looks very good as bench PG.

The bench looks good. Es was saying on twitter that we have one of the best bench net ratings in the league.

The one real issue on the bench is the wing players. What's funny about that is two of those guys - Dick and Agbaji - were regular starters for us last year. That's how far we've come.

ya it was a scheduled C for the most part

[bape_lovers]

I stop reading when you said harden/luka “not bad defensively”. And how is harden a pg? Isn’t he a sg??

Which team has a two way legit pg? I can’t think of any

In a perfect world, IQ would be our 6th man & we would have a legit 2 way starting PG.

SGA is pretty good defensively but depends if you classify him as a PG lol but other than that, guys like Maxey/Curry/Harden/Brunson/Cade/Luka all range from bad on defense to "not terrible" but id hardly classify them as 2 way players lol

[Tripod]

Adding another C is just about having versatility when you need it. Having a legit BIG extra C to eat some minutes saves wear and tear on Barnes and CMB.

And of course, one less guard open up playing time for Barrle, who should be playing anyways.

[YogurtProducer]

One thing through 10 games.... I hope we move on from Ingram in a consolidation trade ASAP - hopefully this summer for a real star. His defensive ability is just insanely bad and A LOT of our teams deficiencies are fixed if you can get a 2-way player in his place.

His game is fun to watch offensively, but your ceiling is severely capped when he is such a defensive liability.

It'd be easier to tolerate if we had more plus defenders in the SL besides Scottie, but yeah it's hard to watch. He's like DeMar level bad on defense.

meh....i think we just trying to get back to reliable .500 ball with a reliable half-court offense creator

baseball analogy, have mediocre starting pitchers that give 4-5ish ERA but can eat up innings for the regular season,
which blue jays were doing for a while

I do agree with this. Can’t run before you walk.

But it’s clear Ingram isn’t ever gonna be a main guy on contending teams

[YogurtProducer]

I stop reading when you said harden/luka “not bad defensively”. And how is harden a pg? Isn’t he a sg??

Which team has a two way legit pg? I can’t think of any

SGA is pretty good defensively but depends if you classify him as a PG lol but other than that, guys like Maxey/Curry/Harden/Brunson/Cade/Luka all range from bad on defense to "not terrible" but id hardly classify them as 2 way players lol

He never said that. He said that group of players ranges from bad to not terrible.

[anotherhomer]

It'd be easier to tolerate if we had more plus defenders in the SL besides Scottie, but yeah it's hard to watch. He's like DeMar level bad on defense.

meh....i think we just trying to get back to reliable .500 ball with a reliable half-court offense creator

baseball analogy, have mediocre starting pitchers that give 4-5ish ERA but can eat up innings for the regular season,
which blue jays were doing for a while

I do agree with this. Can’t run before you walk.

But it’s clear Ingram isn’t ever gonna be a main guy on contending teams

honestly, at this stage, i'll just be happy with .500 competitive ball, and a guy who can keep us competitive in the regular season

[Rainman66]

Ring back Aaron Bayne

Edit: or Rasho

Let’s NBA

What's our boy Aaron Gray up to?

Maybe time to call up the Aussie goat David Anderson or the steamer Greg Steimsma

[WaltFrazier]

This will be our 6th year without a real one so...

With Gradey, Agbaji, Walter and Battle being redundant with a lot of overlap, couldn't one or two of them be traded for a solid back-up C?

Six years, amazing how little Masai and Bobby valued centers. I still don't know why Drew Eubanks was waived after the Thad Young trade. A journeyman yes but could have been a serviceable backup all these years, as he is as Sabonis' backup now

There’s a reason Eubanks has been on 5 teams in 30 months since we waived him.

Guys like Eubanks are big, but they are slow and suck that they might help rebounding wise but then you get murdered in pick n roll sets.

It’s definitely a trade off, but I’d take Mamu over Eubanks. That being said, I’d rather have Mamu + a bigger big as well. Our Mamu minutes haven’t really been the issue this year.

Howecer, my guess is one of those 5 wings we got get swapped this year.

Yeah I wasn't saying Eubanks is the answer, or better than Mamu. But I just saw him starting for SAC because Sabonis was out the other night. He has carved out a career in the league. Again I never understood why he was waived given the Raps lack of centers at the time, and since.

But sure, for the Raps a bigger quicker more athletic back-up C would be better

[AkelaLoneWolf]

With Gradey, Agbaji, Walter and Battle being redundant with a lot of overlap, couldn't one or two of them be traded for a solid back-up C?

Six years, amazing how little Masai and Bobby valued centers. I still don't know why Drew Eubanks was waived after the Thad Young trade. A journeyman yes but could have been a serviceable backup all these years, as he is as Sabonis' backup now

There’s a reason Eubanks has been on 5 teams in 30 months since we waived him.

Guys like Eubanks are big, but they are slow and suck that they might help rebounding wise but then you get murdered in pick n roll sets.

It’s definitely a trade off, but I’d take Mamu over Eubanks. That being said, I’d rather have Mamu + a bigger big as well. Our Mamu minutes haven’t really been the issue this year.

Howecer, my guess is one of those 5 wings we got get swapped this year.

Yeah I wasn't saying Eubanks is the answer, or better than Mamu. But I just saw him starting for SAC because Sabonis was out the other night. He has carved out a career in the league. Again I never understood why he was waived given the Raps lack of centers at the time, and since.

But sure, for the Raps a bigger quicker more athletic back-up C would be better

we have the luxury of waiting. its not like we're trying to win a championship. lets see if we can get a rim running big by the trade deadline

[Madvillainy2004]

I stop reading when you said harden/luka “not bad defensively”. And how is harden a pg? Isn’t he a sg??

Which team has a two way legit pg? I can’t think of any

SGA is pretty good defensively but depends if you classify him as a PG lol but other than that, guys like Maxey/Curry/Harden/Brunson/Cade/Luka all range from bad on defense to "not terrible" but id hardly classify them as 2 way players lol

Harden and Luka are clearly in the "bad" end of the bad - not terrible spectrum I said lmao and Harden is quite obviously a PG.

[Tripod]

There’s a reason Eubanks has been on 5 teams in 30 months since we waived him.

Guys like Eubanks are big, but they are slow and suck that they might help rebounding wise but then you get murdered in pick n roll sets.

It’s definitely a trade off, but I’d take Mamu over Eubanks. That being said, I’d rather have Mamu + a bigger big as well. Our Mamu minutes haven’t really been the issue this year.

Howecer, my guess is one of those 5 wings we got get swapped this year.

Yeah I wasn't saying Eubanks is the answer, or better than Mamu. But I just saw him starting for SAC because Sabonis was out the other night. He has carved out a career in the league. Again I never understood why he was waived given the Raps lack of centers at the time, and since.

But sure, for the Raps a bigger quicker more athletic back-up C would be better

we have the luxury of waiting. its not like we're trying to win a championship. lets see if we can get a rim running big by the trade deadline

Luxury of waiting?


It's year 6 of waiting