Ivey and Duren Extensions

[DetroitSho]

And you yourself struggle with context because everything ain't a victory lap, it's literally IRONY in the context of what you said earlier in the thread and what ended up playing out.

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You're really wasting your time; I ought to have ignored your childish shot in the first place, and I have no interest in continuing this exchange with you. Direct your misplaced aggression elsewhere.

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Ahh the ole fake high road. Always hilarious when you're the only one of us that has been even remotely insulting. Maybe you should write your posts on a personal clipboard and leave them there. They will never be critiqued there.

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[Mr Peanut]

I agree, it's a rather lazy comparison that Duren detractors make to try and discredit him and paint his stats as empty.

Lazy is you not putting forth even a modicum of effort toward understanding the nature of the reference. I've never named the two similar.

I understood the reference. But it just comes across as "let's disregard Duren's strong play so far because of this one example of a previous Pistons center". Also the comment wasn't directed at you specifically. I see countless examples of posters both on this board and other forums/social media where Duren and Drummond are consistently compared and usually it's with the intention of downplaying Duren's stats/achievements.

And sample size is relevant, but there's no denying that Duren has taken a step forward both in his individual stats and also his impact to our team and our strong start. We can give him credit for his improvement without having to add constant disclaimers.

[DetroitSho]

This post is........well it's a post. After tonight's game it's just pretty ironic.

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Imagine pompously making a post in response to a fan of your team. Then imagine making it on the basis of an eight-game early-season sample against bad opposition. Then imagine taking it a step further and making it on the basis of one game.

Hey, do you remember a guy in recent Pistons history who averaged 22 PPG, 18.5 RPG, and about two steals and blocks per game across the first nine games of a season for a worse team against a more difficult schedule? Let me know if you can identify him; if you do so, let know how that ultimately turned out.

I hope that Duren has a good season. We'll see once we have a considerably larger sample size against respectable opposition.

Either way, victory laps of the sort you've embarked upon are petty and dumb.

For the naysayers what is the bar you need to eclipse to think differently? How many 30 point games does he need to have? He just shredded the supposedly stalwart Nic Claxton like Swiss cheese..

Are you looking for an honest answer? I've kept quiet on this issue because I really don't see the point in telling people who are excited why they maybe shouldn't be quite so excited yet.

Got any thoughts on Duren as it relates to Alex Sarr? Everytime you mention a guy Duren goes out and puts in work against him. The irony continues. Lol

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[Fennis Dembo]

We’re just about there. When a team comes together, when you start winning games, when everything clicks…. guys want to get paid. Of course they do. But you still need to make smart financial decisions.

I know this is blasphemy to some of you, but, consider this: not only is Duren upping his AAV for his next contract, he’s also upping his trade value. I understand it’s a HUGE risk for any GM to take, but the very best ones know when to cash in. Is Duren this awesome (I’m not saying he isn’t, by the way, just speculating), or could Cade do this with another athletic big. Where does the value lie?

Just something to consider.

re or could Cade do this with another athletic big, a lot of what he's doing absolutely. But his biggest improvement imo is his ability to face up other centers at the high post+ and drive to the hoop and either score or get fouled, and he's hitting his free throws. He's a legit scoring option one on one.

As far as trading him, I don't think anyone is untradeable except Cade, but what I'd want in return for him has gone way up than what it was.

[Invictus88]

This post is........well it's a post. After tonight's game it's just pretty ironic.

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Imagine pompously making a post in response to a fan of your team. Then imagine making it on the basis of an eight-game early-season sample against bad opposition. Then imagine taking it a step further and making it on the basis of one game.

Hey, do you remember a guy in recent Pistons history who averaged 22 PPG, 18.5 RPG, and about two steals and blocks per game across the first nine games of a season for a worse team against a more difficult schedule? Let me know if you can identify him; if you do so, let know how that ultimately turned out.

I hope that Duren has a good season. We'll see once we have a considerably larger sample size against respectable opposition.

Either way, victory laps of the sort you've embarked upon are petty and dumb.

For the naysayers what is the bar you need to eclipse to think differently? How many 30 point games does he need to have? He just shredded the supposedly stalwart Nic Claxton like Swiss cheese..

Are you looking for an honest answer? I've kept quiet on this issue because I really don't see the point in telling people who are excited why they maybe shouldn't be quite so excited yet.

Got any thoughts on Duren as it relates to Alex Sarr? Everytime you mention a guy Duren goes out and puts in work against him. The irony continues. Lol

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The best parts of the game against the Sixers I just watched were in no particular order:

- Watching Duren pretty much win all of the contested rebounds against Drummond... because Duren knows how to box out and Drummond does not.
- Watching Duren have anything he wanted to against Drummond on offense. I just wish he would have had more attempts at this.
- Watching Duren yell at Ausar after a play for screwing up his defensive rotation and allowing a layup. Obviously Duren neither cares about nor understands defense...
- Watching Drummond do two incredibly stupid things in the final 3 minutes to cost his team the game: Shooting that awful 3 pt miss and leaving Duren alone in the paint to triple team Cade beyond the arc. Duren promptly roasted poor little VJ Edgecombe and got a 3-point play.

One of these players is not like the other.

[breezypeezy]

Duren is good now AND still getting BETTER.
This is an obvious piece we should make certain to lock up contractually.

Too much overthinking, he's here, he's staying and Gores paying.

[DetroitSho]

Imagine pompously making a post in response to a fan of your team. Then imagine making it on the basis of an eight-game early-season sample against bad opposition. Then imagine taking it a step further and making it on the basis of one game.

Hey, do you remember a guy in recent Pistons history who averaged 22 PPG, 18.5 RPG, and about two steals and blocks per game across the first nine games of a season for a worse team against a more difficult schedule? Let me know if you can identify him; if you do so, let know how that ultimately turned out.

I hope that Duren has a good season. We'll see once we have a considerably larger sample size against respectable opposition.

Either way, victory laps of the sort you've embarked upon are petty and dumb.



Are you looking for an honest answer? I've kept quiet on this issue because I really don't see the point in telling people who are excited why they maybe shouldn't be quite so excited yet.

Got any thoughts on Duren as it relates to Alex Sarr? Everytime you mention a guy Duren goes out and puts in work against him. The irony continues. Lol

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The best parts of the game against the Sixers I just watched were in no particular order:

- Watching Duren pretty much win all of the contested rebounds against Drummond... because Duren knows how to box out and Drummond does not.
- Watching Duren have anything he wanted to against Drummond on offense. I just wish he would have had more attempts at this.
- Watching Duren yell at Ausar after a play for screwing up his defensive rotation and allowing a layup. Obviously Duren neither cares about nor understands defense...
- Watching Drummond do two incredibly stupid things in the final 3 minutes to cost his team the game: Shooting that awful 3 pt miss and leaving Duren alone in the paint to triple team Cade beyond the arc. Duren promptly roasted poor little VJ Edgecombe and got a 3-point play.

One of these players is not like the other.

They're both black, athletic, can rebound and dunk. Oh and they've both worn the #0 for the Pistons. They obviously should be likened to each other.

/sarcasm

One thing that stands out to me is when the ball is delivered to Duren off the pick n roll blitz and he's not in an immediate position to go up and score, he can be trusted to make a good play/read. The reason Drummond double clutched and contorted so much is because he would catch the ball 18 feet out and immediately go into his takeoff towards the rim. He made it really easy to jump in front and take a charge or contest because by the time he made it to the rim there was no power left. He jumped out from too far most times.

Duren took that pass off the Cade triple team, got closer to the rim, let everything settle around him and went straight up with all his strength behind him. It was something Tim Duncan mastered. He never went up too quickly, he just allowed the noise to settle around him and hit a 5 foot jump hook.



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[Kalamazoo317]

Duren is good now AND still getting BETTER.
This is an obvious piece we should make certain to lock up contractually.

Too much overthinking, he's here, he's staying and Gores paying.

I don't think anyone's overthinking anything. We want him to stay, but restricted free agency very much favors the team over the player, so zero reason to pay him anything he asks for. Let the market set the price. If the market determines he's worth the $30/per he's asking for, then we have a big decision to make. If they don't, we get him for less. You can't just pay anything every player wants all the time if you want to be competitive in the second apron era.

[Rip32]

Duren is good now AND still getting BETTER.
This is an obvious piece we should make certain to lock up contractually.

Too much overthinking, he's here, he's staying and Gores paying.

I don't think anyone's overthinking anything. We want him to stay, but restricted free agency very much favors the team over the player, so zero reason to pay him anything he asks for. Let the market set the price. If the market determines he's worth the $30/per he's asking for, then we have a big decision to make. If they don't, we get him for less. You can't just pay anything every player wants all the time if you want to be competitive in the second apron era.

Usually teams are reluctant to make offer because they know the current team will match. In the end, I still believe he gets 28 especially seeing we gave Harris 25 mil two seasons ago. Trading him would alienate trade and team chemistry