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Re: ATL - Livingston Signs 2-Way with Cavs 

Post#941 » by ShootingtheJ » Sun Nov 9, 2025 4:21 pm

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skbucks1985 wrote:I think the fairest but harshest comp to Flagg might be an NBA version of Arch Manning. And here's what I mean by that, coming into this college football season the predominant conversation was around Arch Manning. He was the Heisman frontrunner, Texas was the preseason #1 team in the country and he was the odds-on favorite to be the #1 pick in the 2026 NFL Draft. And he's had his ups and downs, but I think its fair to say that he doesn't have the ceiling that a lot of people thought he did. Similarly, Flagg will have a very long NBA career and as much as he's struggled, I think a guy with his varied offensive skill set and motor has almost no bust potential (assuming he stays healthy). But I think the question of will he ever make an All-NBA team is a fair one


Flagg showed up in college at age 17 and dominated. I see no similarities to Arch besides the hype. Assuming after a couple weeks that an 18 year old playing in the league all of a sudden has a lower ceiling simply because he’s playing for a dumpster fire of an organization with an idiot head coach is crazy.

Comparing Flagg’s performance in a couple weeks of NBA games to Arch over half a season of COLLEGE football does not compute. If you think Flagg looks bad thus far, Arch would look worse than Tebow did on an NFL field. Significantly worse. No team would even put this version of Arch on an NFL field right now. Every NBA team would give Flagg minutes this season.

Remember how much of a bust everyone thought Cade was after half a season with the Pistons?


Sheesh. So Kuzma is playing good ball after 7 games and Flagg is semi struggling. Is Kuzma better than Flagg? These comps are atrocious.

Flagg is fine. You guys would have written off Giannis after watching him for one season, let alone 7 games.

Flagg has an all around game, including defense. He has no holes in his game, except he needs to continually work on his shot. But it will come.


He's presently weak and slow. He tried to iso in the post against 6'4" CJ McCollum, a horrid defender, and got absolutely stonewalled.

Flagg will get better when he increases his strength and explosion, but not until then. His shot is the least of his worries.
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Re: ATL - Livingston Signs 2-Way with Cavs 

Post#942 » by tedbrogen » Sun Nov 9, 2025 4:36 pm

Again, he’s barely 18. The strength will come. He has the frame to add muscle. This isn’t a Chet situation.
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Post#943 » by paulpressey25 » Sun Nov 9, 2025 5:59 pm

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Kneuppel is killing it. Pretty impressive.


Thought the Havlicek reference might pull you out. But I think it's a good comp for his ceiling. A 6-5" Swiss army knife white dude.

Does he get there? No idea. But in the first two weeks he's more than holding his own against NBA competition.

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Post#944 » by ShootingtheJ » Sun Nov 9, 2025 6:00 pm

tedbrogen wrote:Again, he’s barely 18. The strength will come. He has the frame to add muscle. This isn’t a Chet situation.


Agree, he's a little like Wemby that way. It'll take time.
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Post#945 » by GoldenAntlers » Sun Nov 9, 2025 6:18 pm

National media appear to be getting behind the Bucks already. Kind of strange, but I'm intrigued.
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Post#946 » by Matches Malone » Sun Nov 9, 2025 11:33 pm

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Re: ATL - Livingston Signs 2-Way with Cavs 

Post#947 » by BigO » Yesterday 7:53 pm

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Flagg showed up in college at age 17 and dominated. I see no similarities to Arch besides the hype. Assuming after a couple weeks that an 18 year old playing in the league all of a sudden has a lower ceiling simply because he’s playing for a dumpster fire of an organization with an idiot head coach is crazy.

Comparing Flagg’s performance in a couple weeks of NBA games to Arch over half a season of COLLEGE football does not compute. If you think Flagg looks bad thus far, Arch would look worse than Tebow did on an NFL field. Significantly worse. No team would even put this version of Arch on an NFL field right now. Every NBA team would give Flagg minutes this season.

Remember how much of a bust everyone thought Cade was after half a season with the Pistons?


Sheesh. So Kuzma is playing good ball after 7 games and Flagg is semi struggling. Is Kuzma better than Flagg? These comps are atrocious.

Flagg is fine. You guys would have written off Giannis after watching him for one season, let alone 7 games.

Flagg has an all around game, including defense. He has no holes in his game, except he needs to continually work on his shot. But it will come.


He's presently weak and slow. He tried to iso in the post against 6'4" CJ McCollum, a horrid defender, and got absolutely stonewalled.

Flagg will get better when he increases his strength and explosion, but not until then. His shot is the least of his worries.


He's actually much more athletic than Larry Bird. And he's 18. In the next 4 or 5 years (probably sooner), he'll be top 5 in the league.
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Re: ATL - Livingston Signs 2-Way with Cavs 

Post#948 » by BUCKnation » Today 2:48 am

Some guy on the Pistons named Daniss Jenkins having the game of his life as the Wiz/Pistons go to overtime. Scored 6 in 14 seconds to tie and has 24.

Also, Jrue just threw away their game as he turned it over with 5 left and then Bane hit a miracle 3 at the buzzer.
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Post#949 » by ReasonablySober » Today 3:41 am

Cavs have no choice but to fire Atkinson tonight.
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Post#950 » by ReasonablySober » Today 3:43 am

What in the hell is this?!

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Re: ATL - Livingston Signs 2-Way with Cavs 

Post#951 » by BUCKnation » Today 5:17 am

That’s such a go to play for coaches. Just sit someone tall at the rim and live with potentially their worst option taking a rushed shot
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Post#952 » by blazza18 » Today 5:30 am

Checking some of the box scores from games tonight. Cade emptied the clip in an overtime win - 46 points on 14/45 shooting. Mitchell had 28 points on 28 shots in an OT loss. And our old friend Grayson Allen had 42 with 10 threes.
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Post#953 » by drone3 » Today 7:40 am

blazza18 wrote:Checking some of the box scores from games tonight. Cade emptied the clip in an overtime win - 46 points on 14/45 shooting. Mitchell had 28 points on 28 shots in an OT loss. And our old friend Grayson Allen had 42 with 10 threes.
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blazza18 wrote:Checking some of the box scores from games tonight. Cade emptied the clip in an overtime win - 46 points on 14/45 shooting. Mitchell had 28 points on 28 shots in an OT loss. And our old friend Grayson Allen had 42 with 10 threes.
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Re: ATL - Livingston Signs 2-Way with Cavs 

Post#955 » by paulpressey25 » Today 8:41 am

blazza18 wrote:Grayson Allen had 42 with 10 threes.


The Dame trade just decimated this team’s talent base.

And we haven’t even gotten to the 2028-2030 draft picks
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