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jbsays wrote:3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
I like Powell, but he will be 33 at the end of the season. Not sure about paying him until he's 37. Although I guess it depends on what else happens and if it could possibly be front loaded money wise.
Hallstar wrote:SerialChiller wrote:marson wrote:
The Pacers last year is easily talented roster than us. They have more 2-way players across the board.
Yep that Pacers team was much better. They actually had a legit star PG and their player's games fit together better as well. Herro and Powell's games will overlap as they are both essentially 1 way players who can score but do little else. Besides the 2 way wings they had a big rim protecting Center who could shoot 3s and Siakam was really damn good as well.
And on top of all that even when it comes to coaching (I'm sure a lot of people would disagree with this here) but I'd take Carlisle over Spo.
Herro was 17 in ppg and 10th in assists in the top 20 scorers. If he scored and does nothing else, so does most of the scorers, and he does nothing else better than half of them
Gonna watch a 1-9 team and say they had better pieces...if that piece is Hali then fine, but who are the rest and what are they doing now?...our problem is we kept running a dog crap system to suit an over the hill diva that worked for him when he felt like it and no one else
SerialChiller wrote:Hallstar wrote:SerialChiller wrote:
Yep that Pacers team was much better. They actually had a legit star PG and their player's games fit together better as well. Herro and Powell's games will overlap as they are both essentially 1 way players who can score but do little else. Besides the 2 way wings they had a big rim protecting Center who could shoot 3s and Siakam was really damn good as well.
And on top of all that even when it comes to coaching (I'm sure a lot of people would disagree with this here) but I'd take Carlisle over Spo.
Herro was 17 in ppg and 10th in assists in the top 20 scorers. If he scored and does nothing else, so does most of the scorers, and he does nothing else better than half of them
Gonna watch a 1-9 team and say they had better pieces...if that piece is Hali then fine, but who are the rest and what are they doing now?...our problem is we kept running a dog crap system to suit an over the hill diva that worked for him when he felt like it and no one else
Herro is asked to do too much and so he put up numbers on a bad team. He's not a great playmaker although he did improve in that area and well someone has to do it since unfortunately there aren't any options on this team. I am on record saying he looked much better as a passer last year, however I certainly still don't want him bringing the ball up all the time, he's not a PG. So saying Herro and Powell are both essentially 1 way players that do little else other than score isn't really a controversial statement.
That is their game, it's what they are in the NBA to do. Sure Tyler can pass a little bit and Powell can defend a little if you want to nitpick, but it's largely true. And yes this team sorely needs a guy in that scorer role, but 2 of them together also isn't going to fit the best, a point guard is still necessary out there in place of 1 of them but we just don't have a quality enough one.
And this years Pacers team isn't last years team. They are obviously experiencing a letdown after the finals run and losing Hali for the year and are probably just being smart as well looking for a high pick to reload for next year when he's back. But regardless McConnell hasn't played a game, they lost Turner, Nembhard has only played in 3 games, Mathurin in 2, and obviously the big one is no Hali who makes everything go. So I certainly wouldn't look at 10 irrelevant games this year when judging the talent level of last year's team.
Hallstar wrote:SerialChiller wrote:Hallstar wrote:Herro was 17 in ppg and 10th in assists in the top 20 scorers. If he scored and does nothing else, so does most of the scorers, and he does nothing else better than half of them
Gonna watch a 1-9 team and say they had better pieces...if that piece is Hali then fine, but who are the rest and what are they doing now?...our problem is we kept running a dog crap system to suit an over the hill diva that worked for him when he felt like it and no one else
Herro is asked to do too much and so he put up numbers on a bad team. He's not a great playmaker although he did improve in that area and well someone has to do it since unfortunately there aren't any options on this team. I am on record saying he looked much better as a passer last year, however I certainly still don't want him bringing the ball up all the time, he's not a PG. So saying Herro and Powell are both essentially 1 way players that do little else other than score isn't really a controversial statement.
That is their game, it's what they are in the NBA to do. Sure Tyler can pass a little bit and Powell can defend a little if you want to nitpick, but it's largely true. And yes this team sorely needs a guy in that scorer role, but 2 of them together also isn't going to fit the best, a point guard is still necessary out there in place of 1 of them but we just don't have a quality enough one.
And this years Pacers team isn't last years team. They are obviously experiencing a letdown after the finals run and losing Hali for the year and are probably just being smart as well looking for a high pick to reload for next year when he's back. But regardless McConnell hasn't played a game, they lost Turner, Nembhard has only played in 3 games, Mathurin in 2, and obviously the big one is no Hali who makes everything go. So I certainly wouldn't look at 10 irrelevant games this year when judging the talent level of last year's team.
For any other player, being above 5apg at better than 2to1 turnovers would be a good playmaker..and that's on a team where he was still making half the 3s on many nights. I'm not extending grace to teams that wouldn't be extended to us. Nobody would be giving us any passes if we were 3-7 because Herro, Bam and Powell have missed time. Especially since some here gave NO credit to the Powell trade and were predicting LESS wins than last year but we'll go out of our way to prop up some other team. In case you didn't realize, this offense and lineup was catered to Herro's game for the first time in his career, but people are asking how the central piece of the plan will fit because we are accustomed to doom and gloom and "grit"
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SerialChiller wrote:Hallstar wrote:SerialChiller wrote:
Herro is asked to do too much and so he put up numbers on a bad team. He's not a great playmaker although he did improve in that area and well someone has to do it since unfortunately there aren't any options on this team. I am on record saying he looked much better as a passer last year, however I certainly still don't want him bringing the ball up all the time, he's not a PG. So saying Herro and Powell are both essentially 1 way players that do little else other than score isn't really a controversial statement.
That is their game, it's what they are in the NBA to do. Sure Tyler can pass a little bit and Powell can defend a little if you want to nitpick, but it's largely true. And yes this team sorely needs a guy in that scorer role, but 2 of them together also isn't going to fit the best, a point guard is still necessary out there in place of 1 of them but we just don't have a quality enough one.
And this years Pacers team isn't last years team. They are obviously experiencing a letdown after the finals run and losing Hali for the year and are probably just being smart as well looking for a high pick to reload for next year when he's back. But regardless McConnell hasn't played a game, they lost Turner, Nembhard has only played in 3 games, Mathurin in 2, and obviously the big one is no Hali who makes everything go. So I certainly wouldn't look at 10 irrelevant games this year when judging the talent level of last year's team.
For any other player, being above 5apg at better than 2to1 turnovers would be a good playmaker..and that's on a team where he was still making half the 3s on many nights. I'm not extending grace to teams that wouldn't be extended to us. Nobody would be giving us any passes if we were 3-7 because Herro, Bam and Powell have missed time. Especially since some here gave NO credit to the Powell trade and were predicting LESS wins than last year but we'll go out of our way to prop up some other team. In case you didn't realize, this offense and lineup was catered to Herro's game for the first time in his career, but people are asking how the central piece of the plan will fit because we are accustomed to doom and gloom and "grit"
And people think Bammy is sensitive about Bam...good lord
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
carnageta wrote:During the Jimmy era I would have been all-in for a AD trade to pair him alongside Bam and Butler.
Our timeline is different now tho. I don't want to give up Herro + assets + draft capital for AD at this point.
marson wrote:carnageta wrote:During the Jimmy era I would have been all-in for a AD trade to pair him alongside Bam and Butler.
Our timeline is different now tho. I don't want to give up Herro + assets + draft capital for AD at this point.
Agree, too broken at this point but who knows Kawhi looked great, and I thought his career was finished.
SerialChiller wrote:Hallstar wrote:SerialChiller wrote:
Herro is asked to do too much and so he put up numbers on a bad team. He's not a great playmaker although he did improve in that area and well someone has to do it since unfortunately there aren't any options on this team. I am on record saying he looked much better as a passer last year, however I certainly still don't want him bringing the ball up all the time, he's not a PG. So saying Herro and Powell are both essentially 1 way players that do little else other than score isn't really a controversial statement.
That is their game, it's what they are in the NBA to do. Sure Tyler can pass a little bit and Powell can defend a little if you want to nitpick, but it's largely true. And yes this team sorely needs a guy in that scorer role, but 2 of them together also isn't going to fit the best, a point guard is still necessary out there in place of 1 of them but we just don't have a quality enough one.
And this years Pacers team isn't last years team. They are obviously experiencing a letdown after the finals run and losing Hali for the year and are probably just being smart as well looking for a high pick to reload for next year when he's back. But regardless McConnell hasn't played a game, they lost Turner, Nembhard has only played in 3 games, Mathurin in 2, and obviously the big one is no Hali who makes everything go. So I certainly wouldn't look at 10 irrelevant games this year when judging the talent level of last year's team.
For any other player, being above 5apg at better than 2to1 turnovers would be a good playmaker..and that's on a team where he was still making half the 3s on many nights. I'm not extending grace to teams that wouldn't be extended to us. Nobody would be giving us any passes if we were 3-7 because Herro, Bam and Powell have missed time. Especially since some here gave NO credit to the Powell trade and were predicting LESS wins than last year but we'll go out of our way to prop up some other team. In case you didn't realize, this offense and lineup was catered to Herro's game for the first time in his career, but people are asking how the central piece of the plan will fit because we are accustomed to doom and gloom and "grit"
And people think Bammy is sensitive about Bam...good lord
Hallstar wrote:SerialChiller wrote:Hallstar wrote:For any other player, being above 5apg at better than 2to1 turnovers would be a good playmaker..and that's on a team where he was still making half the 3s on many nights. I'm not extending grace to teams that wouldn't be extended to us. Nobody would be giving us any passes if we were 3-7 because Herro, Bam and Powell have missed time. Especially since some here gave NO credit to the Powell trade and were predicting LESS wins than last year but we'll go out of our way to prop up some other team. In case you didn't realize, this offense and lineup was catered to Herro's game for the first time in his career, but people are asking how the central piece of the plan will fit because we are accustomed to doom and gloom and "grit"
And people think Bammy is sensitive about Bam...good lord
You're the one defending the damn Pacers, you think I care who they're missing? You think they care who's out for the Heat? Somehow I doubt we had the luxury of 10 irrelevant games last year.
