Abracadabra We Won! Victory Cigar vs ORL 11/9

[tfribs45]

Dang the Magic board is very grumpy about that loss. Lots of comments about how much better they'd be with Mazzulla coaching instead of Mosley.

that's wild, people seeing Bubble Gum Joe as an upgrade, what a difference a few years makes! lol

[Celticlifer]

I don't get this. white is one of the best defenders in the league against big men,. Please, please stop with the Grayson Allen love. He's not good and he's one of the dirtiest players in the league. Would hate to see him in green.

He's just too small.

I'd rather Brad trades him for Grayson Allen and Nick Richards.

That way the Cs get a veteran SG, a decent Center, and save money as well.

swap him into the starting lineup then you'll see his true value, no way PP should be starting over him right now. PP and White has not worked out well....

Agree with you about Simons starting.

But White and Simons will be soft on defense.

If your PG is Cade or SGA, you can get away with Simons as your starting SG.

It's just not a good fit.

A bigger SG like Grayson would be more ideal, especially in the playoffs.

[Fierce1]

I don't get this. white is one of the best defenders in the league against big men,. Please, please stop with the Grayson Allen love. He's not good and he's one of the dirtiest players in the league. Would hate to see him in green.

swap him into the starting lineup then you'll see his true value, no way PP should be starting over him right now. PP and White has not worked out well....

Agree with you about Simons starting.

But White and Simons will be soft on defense.

If your PG is Cade or SGA, you can get away with Simons as your starting SG.

It's just not a good fit.

A bigger SG like Grayson would be more ideal, especially in the playoffs.

White is not one of the best defenders against big men.

DWhite is not Marcus Smart when it comes to defending the low post.
Once the big man is switched on White, the big takes White down low and White can't do anything about it.

As for Grayson, he's just one example of a bigger shooting SG that would fit the Cs better than Simons.

Where was Simons when it was winning time, crunch time?

Simons is unplayable in crunch time because he's a liability on defense and playing him would make the Cs so small, the Cs would have trouble getting rebounds.

[darrendaye]

My thoughts...The Simons-Garza connection is what I've thought was the most symmetrical usage for those players. Happy for Walsh. Even happier he got a chance to do lots of screening, ball moving, and ball moving at the top of the key (on White's 3 late). I hope to see more of that and with Minott. Hugo showing glimpses of fitting the 3rd ball-handler role I thought Scheierman would get a shot to fill. Still too much tentativeness from Pritchard and White in using Queta's picks. Also noticed Joe throwing out a couple double high screens with Queta and Minott trying to improve spacing.

[Fierce1]

I was surprised to learn Hugo is 6-6.25 barefoot.
That means he's taller than JB and Walsh.
And at 19 years old, he might not be done getting taller.

That's a game changer.
With Hugo's excellent defense and ability to handle the ball and drive to the basket, we have an All-Star in the making.

So those who are wishing for a lottery pick, we already have a lottery pick in Hugo Gonzalez.

[darrendaye]

I was surprised to learn Hugo is 6-6.25 barefoot.
That means he's taller than JB and Walsh.
And at 19 years old, he might not be done getting taller.

That's a game changer.
With Hugo's excellent defense and ability to handle the ball and drive to the basket, we have an All-Star in the making.

So those who are wishing for a lottery pick, we already have a lottery pick in Hugo Gonzalez.

His standing reach is 8'5.5″ compared to Walsh at 8'11" however. My goal is SG.

[Fierce1]

I was surprised to learn Hugo is 6-6.25 barefoot.
That means he's taller than JB and Walsh.
And at 19 years old, he might not be done getting taller.

That's a game changer.
With Hugo's excellent defense and ability to handle the ball and drive to the basket, we have an All-Star in the making.

So those who are wishing for a lottery pick, we already have a lottery pick in Hugo Gonzalez.

His standing reach is 8'5.5″ compared to Walsh at 8'11" however. My goal is SG.

Yeah, Hugo will be the starting SG of the Cs in the near future.

The kid is legit.

[Parliament10]

I was surprised to learn Hugo is 6-6.25 barefoot.
That means he's taller than JB and Walsh.
And at 19 years old, he might not be done getting taller.

That's a game changer.
With Hugo's excellent defense and ability to handle the ball and drive to the basket, we have an All-Star in the making.

So those who are wishing for a lottery pick, we already have a lottery pick in Hugo Gonzalez.

His standing reach is 8'5.5″ compared to Walsh at 8'11" however. My goal is SG.

Yeah, Hugo will be the starting SG of the Cs in the near future.

The kid is legit.

Depends on his ballhandling skills. Can he be a 2nd Ballhandler?
That would determine if he's going to be a Starting SG or a SF.

[Parliament10]

Garza, Simons and Walsh.
Do y'all thing that we're showcasing them, or are we keeping them?

[Fierce1]

Garza, Simons and Walsh.
Do y'all thing that we're showcasing them, or are we keeping them?

Garza and Walsh are keepers because they're so cheap.

Simons will be gone.

Talent is not the problem with Simons, it's the fit.
Simons is better off playing with a bigger guard, as his partner, in the backcourt.

The system is also holding Simons back as Simons is more of a 1 on 1 player than a system player.

Coach like Ty Lue can maximize Simons' ability.

[ThePigeon]

Should just do what the Pacers are doing and full on tank resting Siakam and such but we insist on being middle of the pack, the absolute worst place to be in the NBA, just DUMB.

Winning culture. You can't just get it. You have to live it. Every season
No tanking

We got banner 18 without tanking. We will get 19 without tanking
Just play hard, develop and grow

We won banner 18 in large part because of Tatum and Brown. Both were top 3 picks.

The only way you get a top 3 pick is by getting lucky in the lottery and the only way you can have lottery luck is by either:

a) Being bad enough to avoid the playoffs
b) Making a trade that gets you a top 3 pick..like how we got lucky by trading KG and Pierce for what turned out to be 2 top 3 picks which turned out to be Tatum and Brown

We also went 25-57 in 13-14 season, which allowed us to have a top 6 pick, draft Marcus Smart, who we flipped for KP, which helped get us banner 18.

We also used a lottery pick to draft Nesmith who we traded for Brogdon who we traded for Jrue which helped us get banner 18. We used a lottery pick to draft Langford who we traded for Derrick White who helped us win banner 18.

Thunder tanked for a couple years, then won the title in 2025. Warriors tanked when Klay and Steph got hurt, then they won the 2022 title. They also won all 4 of their titles thanks to Steph, who they drafted in the top 10 because they were bad enough to get a top 10 pick and draft him..

Tanking is intentionally losing buy giving up
I don't think any of these team really tanked
You have years where your best players get hurt, so your team will lose more. But you still play hardest to get the wins. You fall just short because the talent isn't there

We didn't tank to get Marcus or Nesmith, and we sure didn't tank to get JB and JT

And there are team who tank and thus have losing culture - WAS, 76ers etc