2025 Miami Heat Regular Season Thread

[Daffy]

It's crazy how much Herro lives rent free in some of the posters here head. It's sad honestly.

[GopherIt!]

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Can we check in on Edwards?

Mods pls contact your boi Riles and tell him to trade for Ja so I can stop having nightmares about my t-pups doing something really, really, stupid. smdh. .

[SerialChiller]

There's clearly more to fit then just how they can operate together in a free flowing fast paced offensive scheme during the regular season. I do expect the offense to continue to look good with them both out there. Herro definitely adds firepower, that's not the problem. However to be real contenders I think we still need either a playmaking starting caliber PG or a true number 1 goto star instead of relying on 2 scorers that play the same position and largely fill the same role.

What happens in the playoffs when the game slows down, teams are game planning for each other, and play is a lot more match up based? Can we advance the ball against full court pressure without a true ballhandler late in a close game? Will we have the playmaking to score in the halfcourt? Or will it regress into a costly turnover fest? And how does Norm or Herro defend against other actual speedy PGs? These are very real potential/likely problems and it gets stupid to act like they are nothing to even have a conversation about.

[GopherIt!]

AD?!?!? LMAO. The dude they gave up Doncic for? Yo, Giannis or bust. Any player, any draft pick, any management personnell, or any poster on this medsage board for Giannis. I would be coo with Bam, Herro, Goodboy, and Goodboy’s Lats for Giannis.

where is Goodboy’s Lats these days?

[Daffy]

I still don't understand the fit conversation with Herro and Powell. With this offensive scheme they fit even more than expected as far as I'm concerned. We need a lot of bodies to keep guys fresh and uninjured. Having the option to stagger Herro and Powell's minutes throughout the game as well as finish and start with them will be huge. No weakness in our offense at that point. Not having a true PG isn't ideal but truthfully we don't have that now. Dru kinda is, but even he isn't starting. We are going to ball handle by committee and that's just what it is.

As far as defense, I think Herro knows he has to improve there. We will see what happens and what he's worked on to not be as much of a liability. But I'm also tired of that being the primary talking point for him with nothing positive said when he was clearly our best player and had a great year last year. Especially while the same folks salivate over players like bum ass Garland and Nembhard and even Bradley Beal and Lilliard last year. At a point it just gets stupid and a detriment to having intelligent discussion about the team.

You just got to engage in the good conversations and ignore the conversations that dont make sense. Even the people that clearly hate Herro just for hating him do have good conversations on other stuff and I engage in those convos. When they start rambling on the negative stuff I just skip over it. All the posters here are amazing btw. I just wish we'd stop beating some dead horse convos.

[Daffy]

There's clearly more to fit then just how they can operate together in a free flowing fast paced offensive scheme during the regular season. I do expect the offense to continue to look good with them both out there. Herro definitely adds firepower, that's not the problem. However to be real contenders I think we still need either a playmaking starting caliber PG or a true number 1 goto star instead of relying on 2 scorers that play the same position and largely fill the same role.

What happens in the playoffs when the game slows down, teams are game planning for each other, and play is a lot more match up based? Can we advance the ball against full court pressure without a true ballhandler late in a close game? Will we have the playmaking to score in the halfcourt? Or will it regress into a costly turnover fest? And how does Norm or Herro defend against other actual speedy PGs? These are very real potential/likely problems and it gets stupid to act like they are nothing to even have a conversation about.

I just want to say one thing. The way Norm, Herro (last year), Bam and Wiggins and even Jaquez has been scoring i think it more than makes up for having a true go to scorer. Also Powell has shown his offense might really be something special. As a PG Davion hasn't been bad against full court pressure either.

[HeatFanLifer]

AD?!?!? LMAO. The dude they gave up Doncic for? Yo, Giannis or bust. Any player, any draft pick, any management personnell, or any poster on this medsage board for Giannis. I would be coo with Bam, Herro, Goodboy, and Goodboy’s Lats for Giannis.

where is Goodboy’s Lats these days?

He’s banished to be here, no where else to go. Saw him posting like 2 months ago. Poor guy still has that name.

[SerialChiller]

There's clearly more to fit then just how they can operate together in a free flowing fast paced offensive scheme during the regular season. I do expect the offense to continue to look good with them both out there. Herro definitely adds firepower, that's not the problem. However to be real contenders I think we still need either a playmaking starting caliber PG or a true number 1 goto star instead of relying on 2 scorers that play the same position and largely fill the same role.

What happens in the playoffs when the game slows down, teams are game planning for each other, and play is a lot more match up based? Can we advance the ball against full court pressure without a true ballhandler late in a close game? Will we have the playmaking to score in the halfcourt? Or will it regress into a costly turnover fest? And how does Norm or Herro defend against other actual speedy PGs? These are very real potential/likely problems and it gets stupid to act like they are nothing to even have a conversation about.

I just want to say one thing. The way Norm, Herro (last year), Bam and Wiggins and even Jaquez has been scoring i think it more than makes up for having a true go to scorer. Also Powell has shown his offense might really be something special. As a PG Davion hasn't been bad against full court pressure either.

Yes the offense is looking great! I'm super pumped with how Powell has looked and how JJJ has played especially. And Bam's 3ball seems to finally really be there! However I still think that when you need those big buckets in clutch spots over the course of a playoff run it's invaluable to have that elite guy. Think about how many big shots Haliburton hit for the Pacers last year for instance. Even though they had a high scoring fast paced team it still came down to their superstar winning them games multiple times in the end. Maybe Powell and Herro can take turns being that guy we'll see.

The thing with Davion is that he'll likely only be in the game when one of Tyler or Norm aren't, so he won't be in there as part of a closing lineup...ballhandling and playmaking will probably fall to Herro and that's where my concern lies. Or Spo goes small with all 3 and then that's a whole other set of concerns. And defesively the Norm/Herro backcourt is just a whole other matter I really don't see working well. I'll gladly be wrong on all this though.

[HeatFanLifer]

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quote="Daffy"][quote="SerialChiller"]There's clearly more to fit then just how they can operate together in a free flowing fast paced offensive scheme during the regular season. I do expect the offense to continue to look good with them both out there. Herro definitely adds firepower, that's not the problem. However to be real contenders I think we still need either a playmaking starting caliber PG or a true number 1 goto star instead of relying on 2 scorers that play the same position and largely fill the same role.

What happens in the playoffs when the game slows down, teams are game planning for each other, and play is a lot more match up based? Can we advance the ball against full court pressure without a true ballhandler late in a close game? Will we have the playmaking to score in the halfcourt? Or will it regress into a costly turnover fest? And how does Norm or Herro defend against other actual speedy PGs? These are very real potential/likely problems and it gets stupid to act like they are nothing to even have a conversation about.[/quote]

I just want to say one thing. The way Norm, Herro (last year), Bam and Wiggins and even Jaquez has been scoring i think it more than makes up for having a true go to scorer. Also Powell has shown his offense might really be something special. As a PG Davion hasn't been bad against full court pressure either.[/quote]

Yes the offense is looking great! I'm super pumped with how Powell has looked and how JJJ has played especially. And Bam's 3ball seems to finally really be there! However I still think that when you need those big buckets in clutch spots over the course of a playoff run it's invaluable to have that elite guy. Think about how many big shots Haliburton hit for the Pacers last year for instance. Even though they had a high scoring fast paced team it still came down to their superstar winning them games multiple times in the end. Maybe Powell and Herro can take turns being that guy we'll see.

The thing with Davion is that he'll likely only be in the game when one of Tyler or Norm aren't, so he won't be in there as part of a closing lineup...ballhandling and playmaking will probably fall to Herro and that's where my concern lies. Or Spo goes small with all 3 and then that's a whole other set of concerns. And defesively the Norm/Herro backcourt is just a whole other matter I really don't see working well. I'll gladly be wrong on all this though

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The Heat are definitely playing like a top 4 team in the East, but the season is long and the team is unproven. I am hopeful this season goes well, but realistic with where things are. With that said, early season wins beat eatly season struggles.

[Pokuokic]

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I like Powell, but he will be 33 at the end of the season. Not sure about paying him until he's 37. Although I guess it depends on what else happens and if it could possibly be front loaded money wise.

I would give him a 2 year deal for very good money def not a 3 plus year deal

[Kobewade11]

Continuing to knock down teams without Bam or Herro, really impressive stuff from Spo and the guys.

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[SA37]

During the Jimmy era I would have been all-in for a AD trade to pair him alongside Bam and Butler.


Our timeline is different now tho. I don't want to give up Herro + assets + draft capital for AD at this point.

Agree, too broken at this point but who knows Kawhi looked great, and I thought his career was finished.

I'd rather take the punt on Kawhi than AD at this point.

From a talent standpoint that would make sense, but Kawhi is a low-key diva. I'll pass.

[SA37]

I still don't understand the fit conversation with Herro and Powell. With this offensive scheme they fit even more than expected as far as I'm concerned. We need a lot of bodies to keep guys fresh and uninjured. Having the option to stagger Herro and Powell's minutes throughout the game as well as finish and start with them will be huge. No weakness in our offense at that point. Not having a true PG isn't ideal but truthfully we don't have that now. Dru kinda is, but even he isn't starting. We are going to ball handle by committee and that's just what it is.

As far as defense, I think Herro knows he has to improve there. We will see what happens and what he's worked on to not be as much of a liability. But I'm also tired of that being the primary talking point for him with nothing positive said when he was clearly our best player and had a great year last year. Especially while the same folks salivate over players like bum ass Garland and Nembhard and even Bradley Beal and Lilliard last year. At a point it just gets stupid and a detriment to having intelligent discussion about the team.

Yeah, I am also optimistic Herro will adapt to the offense and make Miami more of a threat because he's just such a good shooter. While his role in recent seasons has been to be the primary ball-handler/creator, I don't think he's like some players in the league that need to be ball-dominant to be effective.

It's a small sample, but Miami is scoring 125ppg so far this year (tops in the L). Only Powell is over 20ppg (Adebayo is at 19.9, tbf); Miami has only had 3 games with a player with 30< in a game (Adebayo and Jaquez had 31 in a loss to the Spurs and Lakers, respectively, and Powell had 33 last night). Miami needs Herro to integrate, not dominate.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I still don't understand the fit conversation with Herro and Powell. With this offensive scheme they fit even more than expected as far as I'm concerned. We need a lot of bodies to keep guys fresh and uninjured. Having the option to stagger Herro and Powell's minutes throughout the game as well as finish and start with them will be huge. No weakness in our offense at that point. Not having a true PG isn't ideal but truthfully we don't have that now. Dru kinda is, but even he isn't starting. We are going to ball handle by committee and that's just what it is.

As far as defense, I think Herro knows he has to improve there. We will see what happens and what he's worked on to not be as much of a liability. But I'm also tired of that being the primary talking point for him with nothing positive said when he was clearly our best player and had a great year last year. Especially while the same folks salivate over players like bum ass Garland and Nembhard and even Bradley Beal and Lilliard last year. At a point it just gets stupid and a detriment to having intelligent discussion about the team.

Yeah, I am also optimistic Herro will adapt to the offense and make Miami more of a threat because he's just such a good shooter. While his role in recent seasons has been to be the primary ball-handler/creator, I don't think he's like some players in the league that need to be ball-dominant to be effective.

It's a small sample, but Miami is scoring 125ppg so far this year (tops in the L). Only Powell is over 20ppg (Adebayo is at 19.9, tbf); Miami has only had 3 games with a player with 30< in a game (Adebayo and Jaquez had 31 in a loss to the Spurs and Lakers, respectively, and Powell had 33 last night). Miami needs Herro to integrate, not dominate.

To be even more fair Edrice was at like 22-23 before the injury in the first quarter nuked his numbers. We’re definitely scoring by committee though, everyone is adding their piece, it’s been a really solid balance. Everyone just taking their opportunities where they come within the flow of the offense and no one is really dominating the ball

[al bondiga]

If you want to address it is JA concerns... You have to answer the real question... who would you trade bam or herro, they Would want someone

[SerialChiller]

Such a beautiful sight!

[DayofMourning]

Such a beautiful sight!

I did not realize we were 5-0 at home. Thats the stuff.

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Its good to see coach empower his players to take their defender off the dribble without a pick. When I played if you couldn't take your man without a pick, your handles was considered weak.

Jaquez handles are getting better each game. The games are almost like a ball handling drill and players handles getting a little better each game

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