Mavs need to cut losses, trade AD and Kyrie and embrace the tank

[Mephariel]

I'm not sure what to do, but to make the other teams better by trading AD and Irving to them, and hope to get high picks out of that does not sound very promising. There is a reason why first-round picks come so cheap today: they are usually very low because you just handed them a star player.

I'm not sure what to do in this situation. I also don't think AD and Irving got a high value today.

edit. Maybe hold AD and Irving back this season for a recovery season, get a high pick, and then give everything the next 2-3 seasons.

Literally doesn't matter where they'll trade AD and Kyrie to, When Coop prime comes up, it will be him vs Wemby basically.

If Mavs decide to blow it up, then they'll have 6-7 year window to get a team together around Coop that will be able to compete. They have to sell high on their star veterans while they still have some value left and get back as much draft capital as they can. New GM will have to be smart how to resolve current situation that they are in. But the smartest thing to do would be to build around Coop and let him develop for few years.

I think it is too early to say "Coop vs Wemby basically" when there is a loaded draft class coming up.

[TheGOATWill]

$217m on the books next season. It’s time. The Cowboys stink beyond anybody’s wildest nightmares of stinking so a Mavs reset could fly under the sports fan radar. I’d go further and put a fit sale sign on everything not named Flagg, raid the OKC front office for an exec, and at least kick the tires on Taylor Jenkins who clearly was not the problem in Memphis.

[Archx]

I'm not sure what to do, but to make the other teams better by trading AD and Irving to them, and hope to get high picks out of that does not sound very promising. There is a reason why first-round picks come so cheap today: they are usually very low because you just handed them a star player.

I'm not sure what to do in this situation. I also don't think AD and Irving got a high value today.

edit. Maybe hold AD and Irving back this season for a recovery season, get a high pick, and then give everything the next 2-3 seasons.

Literally doesn't matter where they'll trade AD and Kyrie to, When Coop prime comes up, it will be him vs Wemby basically.

If Mavs decide to blow it up, then they'll have 6-7 year window to get a team together around Coop that will be able to compete. They have to sell high on their star veterans while they still have some value left and get back as much draft capital as they can. New GM will have to be smart how to resolve current situation that they are in. But the smartest thing to do would be to build around Coop and let him develop for few years.

I think it is too early to say "Coop vs Wemby basically" when there is a loaded draft class coming up.

No clue about NCAA, i'm from EU From Mavs fanbase perspective, this is how it looks like right now. Coop is still only 18yo and already showing incredible talent.

[Dan Z]

Kyrie is injured. What kind of value does he have?

[ryguy613]

Lively for Rui checks out. Lakers will toss in some 2nds as well so the Mavs can stockpile picks. Win win for both sides if this is the route Mavs are choosing to go. Time to embrace the tank.

I like Lively but for the Lakers I think recourses need to be used elsewhere. They already have a serviceable center rotation with Ayton/Hayes. They need an athletic wing more than anything. A plug and play guy who can shoot and guard at a decent clip. Easier said than done, i know, but thats where the efforts need to be put as far as trades are concerned. Rui is probably gonna be a key trade piece. Gotta use him wisely

[Exp0sed]

They don't have their pick next year. So if they trade AD and Kyrie, they need to be good next season.

Unless they do the unthinkable and trade them for Frps in this upcoming draft

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[seren]

There is probably no market for either of the players given their injuries and contracts. Contenders simply don’t have cap flexibility to make a move on AD and Kyrie is damaged goods.

[dirkdiggler4177]

They don't have their pick next year. So if they trade AD and Kyrie, they need to be good next season.

Unless they do the unthinkable and trade them for Frps in this upcoming draft

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edit. Read it wrong. Who would do that?

[benson13]

I'm not really sure what the Mavericks can get for Davis or Irving. They both have averaged 50ish games a season for the past five years. So no contender is going to give up much to take on the risk, and no team that is tanking as well is going to be interested in giving up draft picks. They could maybe get a middling team like Detroit to make a deal, but if they're expecting a Paul George type haul they're going to be laughed at.

Nobody expected Luka to be so good that the Mavericks would be in the playoffs his second season and not have the opportunity for at least one more lottery pick. Then Dallas bought high and sold low on Porzingis. They followed that up by basically giving Luka away. It's really like a dark comedy, and I don't think there's a clear way to make it end.

[Exp0sed]

Idk when AD is eligible to be traded but there's a practical side to this too

AD has a family, he's no spring chicken. Trading for him and then shipping him out to no fault of his own, just because the org screwed up..that's pretty harsh and it is isn't usually the way it's done nowadays with star players

Maybe if he's unhappy in Dallas and has a specific destination in mind, meaning if it's mutual..then i suppose it's possible

Going this route makes all the sense in the world but honestly, as good as AD is, he isn't getting any younger or any healthier

Moreover, he pouts if asked to play Center and honestly his body can't take the rigor of guarding NBA 5's over a whole season but the fit with him ae the 4 in the modern NBA is somewhat problematic

It'd be very hard to get a deal done unless the Mavs are really willing to compromise on the asking price

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[MavsDirk41]

Lively for Rui checks out. Lakers will toss in some 2nds as well so the Mavs can stockpile picks. Win win for both sides if this is the route Mavs are choosing to go. Time to embrace the tank.

Lol yea no

[1993Playoffs]

Trade AD for sure. ask Kyrie if he wants to stay or go. He deserves it.

[MavsDirk41]

I would keep AD, you need a vet star who’s been to the top to help keep standards at a higher level as it would def be lower if the roster is completely mid to low tier. I’d see what I could get for Irving but I doubt much.

Davis has played in 14 out of a possible 46 games since being traded to Dallas. Do you think any teams are going to be calling the Mavs inquiring about trading for him? The Mavs dont have any choice but to keep him.

[The Laker Kid]

Trade AD, Klay, Kyrie, everyone for picks and do an OKC-style overhaul centered on Cooper Flagg. Trade some of these scraps for Bronny, he fits Cooper Flaggs timeline perfectly.

[mademan]

Kyrie is gonna be a diffcult trade sight unseen. Houston might do it for Vanvleet/one of their non Suns 1sts, but it might be better for the Mavs to sit him for the year and see if he can recover 100% for next year when they dont have their pick and want to be competitive.

AD should go, even with his value lowered, you can still probably get 2 1sts for him in a league that's this open, especially in the east. Pistons should push for it, Raptors should (tho i dont think they have the contracts that Mavs would accept), Chicago, Miami, Orlando should all consider it.

[ryguy613]

Kyrie is gonna be a diffcult trade sight unseen. Houston might do it for Vanvleet/one of their non Suns 1sts, but it might be better for the Mavs to sit him for the year and see if he can recover 100% for next year when they dont have their pick and want to be competitive.

AD should go, even with his value lowered, you can still probably get 2 1sts for him in a league that's this open, especially in the east. Pistons should push for it, Raptors should (tho i dont think they have the contracts that Mavs would accept), Chicago, Miami, Orlando should all consider it.

I mentioned this in another thread but I dont think trading AD is cut and dry. You risk sending him to a team that uses him as the final piece to winning a title. Imagine a scenario in which both AD and Luka end up winning titles in the next few years, as a direct consequence of trades made by the Mavericks... who are stuck in a rebuild... that could be worse than keeping AD and hoping things get better. He still is an awesome talent.

[mademan]

Kyrie is gonna be a diffcult trade sight unseen. Houston might do it for Vanvleet/one of their non Suns 1sts, but it might be better for the Mavs to sit him for the year and see if he can recover 100% for next year when they dont have their pick and want to be competitive.

AD should go, even with his value lowered, you can still probably get 2 1sts for him in a league that's this open, especially in the east. Pistons should push for it, Raptors should (tho i dont think they have the contracts that Mavs would accept), Chicago, Miami, Orlando should all consider it.

I mentioned this in another thread but I dont think trading AD is cut and dry. You risk sending him to a team that uses him as the final piece to winning a title. Imagine a scenario in which both AD and Luka end up winning titles in the next few years, as a direct consequence of trades made by the Mavericks... who are stuck in a rebuild... that could be worse than keeping AD and hoping things get better. He still is an awesome talent.

Nico's gone. Right or wrong, he's wearing all of it

[lambchop]

They don't have their pick next year. So if they trade AD and Kyrie, they need to be good next season.

Unless they do the unthinkable and trade them for Frps in this upcoming draft

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edit. Read it wrong. Who would do that?

Also, wouldn't playoff teams trade for them? Thus, those wouldn't end up being lottery picks anyway.

[ryguy613]

Kyrie is gonna be a diffcult trade sight unseen. Houston might do it for Vanvleet/one of their non Suns 1sts, but it might be better for the Mavs to sit him for the year and see if he can recover 100% for next year when they dont have their pick and want to be competitive.

AD should go, even with his value lowered, you can still probably get 2 1sts for him in a league that's this open, especially in the east. Pistons should push for it, Raptors should (tho i dont think they have the contracts that Mavs would accept), Chicago, Miami, Orlando should all consider it.

I mentioned this in another thread but I dont think trading AD is cut and dry. You risk sending him to a team that uses him as the final piece to winning a title. Imagine a scenario in which both AD and Luka end up winning titles in the next few years, as a direct consequence of trades made by the Mavericks... who are stuck in a rebuild... that could be worse than keeping AD and hoping things get better. He still is an awesome talent.

Nico's gone. Right or wrong, he's wearing all of it

sure, but lets be honest about what just happened. Nico didnt just get fired because this team started 3-8, and ownership finally came to a realization that this trade was a bad strategic decision. If all of that happened in a vacuum, ownership would be waiting until the season ended in a dud before firing him. The reason they fired Nico 11 games into the season is because the fans are outraged and its costing them actual money. They did this to try and quell the fire that was raging through the fanbase. So they're gonna need to act carefully moving forward. it may seem wise to start a full rebuild but can they sell that to the fans? I'm not sure the answer is yes. it might be, but this is definitely a rock and hard place situation. They really need to proceed with caution and make sure every option is explored thoroughly before making a move. flippantly shoving AD out the door right now doesnt fall into that category.

[wco81]

I just realized Mavs have quite a history of trading away MVP-level players.

Let Nash walk and he became MVP for the Suns.

Let Brunson walk and is playing at an MVP level.

Gave Luka away and he's going to be contending for MVPs for a long time going forward.


Good thing they won that one title with Dirk.

Who was the owner before Cuban? After Cuban' ownership, the Mavs are sending away MVP-level stars.