Shams:Mavericks fire Nico Harrison

[badpotato]

I’m sure it’s been mentioned in this thread already, but if I was a Mavs fan, I would be furious. Mavs were better off atleast rolling another year with him, and terminating him in the summer. Doing it now just screams incompetence by ownership.

No- atmosphere around the team is rotten- it's better to clear the room as soon as possibile to help Flagg development.
This won't fix everything but it is a start towards healing the rift between fans and the team.

[Big nick]

So conspiracy maybe, I can see it no, way anyone trades Luka for ad. Dallas could have done what okc did with pg and gotten a kings ransom for Luka just make no since to me.

[Archx]

Wasn't there a rumour of Nico initially offering Luka to the Bucks for Giannis (which was flatly declined)
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At any case, it is no secret the Mavs owners were not willing to give/pay Luka the max extension ?

I refuse to believe the conspiracy theory of the Lakers being gifted Luka on behalf of Silver, whose agenda has been for parity and smaller market teams to succeed

Also The Mavs only won/got Cooper Flagg cause they won a pre lotto coin toss with Chicago.

Nico's big blunder was not asking for Reaves and a couple of future unprotected firsts from the Lakers along with AD (and whoever else they got in the deal)

That would have been a bit more palatable for Mavs fans

There was never Luka for Giannis offer, Bucks didn't know what Nico was doing. He was basically calling around the league to see if any star was available. Bucks simply said Giannis is not up for trade and Doncic's name never even came up. Nico said himself, if anyone knew, they were afraid it would leak out and Doncic's agent would then start to dictate where Luka wants to go.

Here is Shams explaining the incompetence of Dumont when it comes to Nico. He simply trusted him way too much because Dumont himself has no clue about NBA. (He also said that himself).

[Charania] “After the Mavericks made the Finals in 2024, I’m told that’s when the Patrick Dumont/Nico Harrison relationship was strongest. I’m told Patrick Dumont looked at Nico Harrison as a basketball savant — As someone that when Nico Harrison speaks, when he has a vision, it’s Basketball Gospel"

[dballislife]

davis gets injured again and they are losing, i mean wtf you expect davis to be healthy and you winning lol the team is pretty much at where they should be at right now

[TheHartBreakKid]

I’m sure it’s been mentioned in this thread already, but if I was a Mavs fan, I would be furious. Mavs were better off atleast rolling another year with him, and terminating him in the summer. Doing it now just screams incompetence by ownership.

No- atmosphere around the team is rotten- it's better to clear the room as soon as possibile to help Flagg development.
This won't fix everything but it is a start towards healing the rift between fans and the team.

I understand and respect that approach towards it, but I disagree.

To me, for them to not fire him immediately after the trade or in the offseason, only to fire him now makes the atmosphere more rotten.

But I guess time will tell.

[Doctor MJ]

Imagine Nico being caught up in a gambling issue and the trade was how he paid off his debt…

You all know with everything going on, this wouldn’t be all that shocking

Edit: for the record, this is just my imagination making stuff up

Perfectly fine to recognize that gambling related blackmail can be a way to manipulate someone in Nick’s position.

Just a problem when we blow right past incompetence to assume malevolence as the only explanation .

Is it far fetched to think bosses might get so pissed off at a fat diva that they want him gone regardless of the effect on the bottom line? Yes, that’s normal boss behavior actually.

Is it far fetched to think a particular boss might convince himself that getting of said fat diva is what’s best for the bottom line? Yes, that’s normal boss behavior too.

Sometimes I wonder how young people are here. I tend to think they can’t be that young else they’d be on some larger social media site, but if people don’t have experience working within vocational hierarchies yet, it frankly makes sense that they would underestimate how much ego goes into them and the bad the decision making can be while still being business as usual.


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Why couldn't it be both? also, I did say that this was completely made up by my imagination. I didn't think imagination died after growing into adulthood

And for the record, I think forums are a great place to have these conversations. This isn't Congress. These discussions don't have to be so serious.

It can be both incompetence and malevolence, but if we’re simply seeking an explanation, and incompetence explains, why are we bringing something else into it?

Re: not congress, doesn’t have to be so serious.

Ah well of course the thing is, the reason I’m so frustrated with the conspiracy theorists here, is that y’all are just a microcosm of what’s happening to our whole society.

If this is merely a game you play when things don’t matter, then it literally isn’t serious.

But the same thinking I see here, I also see in politics, and I think I’d be naive to believe there is no overlap.

We have a crisis of epistemology in our society and the scale of its import is drastically greater than import of an orange bouncy ball.

Nowadays I tend to stay in online conversation only for unimportant things like basketball, but when the rot of the mainstream landscape comes here, I’d be remiss not to say as clearly as I can:

This whole “it’s just a joke (kinda)” mentality is the death of truth. Whether it relates to an orange ball or global politics, the thinking behind it toxic to actually being able to discern what’s real.

This is all probably too abstract to really sway the jokesters in this conversation, but if it can at least stick as a concern for some of you, it will have been worth it.


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[Kent]

[Clav]

When inevitability meets the now.

[Doranku]

So what's the latest conspiracy theory now? It seems like most people are in agreement that Nico Harrison agreed to be the fall guy for this operation. What do you guys think he's getting in return for agreeing to become public enemy #1 in Dallas and also lose his GM position less than a year after making the trade?

Is Silver wiring him $50 million into an offshore bank account? Maybe Silver is involved with the mob and they're simply coercing Nico to do their bidding? Is there an entire criminal enterprise behind the scenes pulling the strings for LA? What's the scoop, detectives of RealGM?

[badpotato]

The non-conspiracy crowd is way behind the program - it’s not even a “conspiracy” anymore. Nico himself said, “I think the fans are finally starting to see the vision,” after drafting Cooper. The Mavericks’ GM literally confirmed that getting the No. 1 overall pick was part of the franchise shift that started when they traded Luka.

How are you supposed to guarantee something like that without assurances from the league office, huh?

And what’s your excuse for ignoring that direct admission this time? More “he said / she said” gossip about Harrison hating Luka and Dumont eating his own boogers?

Get real.

[DusterBuster]

When inevitability meets the now.

I don't necessarily know if it was inevitability that this would be the outcome... but Niko wasn't on just a tight-leash, he was on a no-leash.

Cooper had to come out and be a Day 1 game changer and AD had to stay healthy.

Neither of those things happened for him out of the gate that could have helped fans move on and focusing on a winning product. Coop is struggling and AD is ... AD, not available and also looking wildly out of shape (the same reason they let Luka go), that's when this became inevitable.

[Ayt]

I am kinda starting to feel bad for Nico. You can blame him all you want for that idiotic trade but in the end, the Dallas owners are the ones who wanted it done and he is just the face of it. He's basically the fall guy. And his reputation is shot. I'll be shocked if he gets another GM job any time soon

How are the owners the ones who wanted it done? Nico went to them, and they trusted the idiot they hired to be the GM.

[Ayt]

I wonder if there is a mask off moment and Nico comes clean about the trade really being about their ownership ghouls saving money. Wouldnt be surprised if he was playing the good company man this whole time.

Probaly just an idiot tho.

But they didn't save money. AD has a massive contract.

[NBA_is_cringe]

it seems like the term conspiracy theory is used by people who are lacking in mental ability. someone in a position of power did something mischievous/machiavellian? no no that couldn’t possibly be true. were all in this together, billionaires and peasants. its not like the league is rigged in any other ways. except for those arrests made recently i guess.

[Tottery]

If Kyrie and AD were healthy, Mavs wouldn't look so bad and he'd probably still have his job.

Having Flagg be the pg is also a choice. Wouldn't be surprised if Kidd is next after this season.

[Ssj16]

What do people mean when they say Nico is the fall guy? He made the trade.

Exactly.

Even if he was instructed by ownership to make the trade he should have insisted they publicly disclose they made the decision to trade Luka or resign over the trade. He has completely ruined his career and will never be a GM again.

No matter how you slice it Nico was at the helm and will take the fall. All signs point to Nico being the "mastermind" behind the trade anyways lol

Personally I think he should write a book. Id actually pay to understand his thought process because what he did was completely illogical.

The book would be called, "If I did it: Confessions of the Killer Pt 2"

[K N U C K L E S]

He'll find a spot in the Lakers organization. It's the least they could do.

Maybe this is all part of the plan? :tinfoil hat:

[K N U C K L E S]

I am kinda starting to feel bad for Nico. You can blame him all you want for that idiotic trade but in the end, the Dallas owners are the ones who wanted it done and he is just the face of it. He's basically the fall guy. And his reputation is shot. I'll be shocked if he gets another GM job any time soon

How are the owners the ones who wanted it done? Nico went to them, and they trusted the idiot they hired to be the GM.

Doncic was a franchise player. Not someone at the end of the bench. There's no way the owners weren't in on it. If it had went down the way you think it went down, the GM would've been fired the next day. Not 9 months later.

[Ayt]

I am kinda starting to feel bad for Nico. You can blame him all you want for that idiotic trade but in the end, the Dallas owners are the ones who wanted it done and he is just the face of it. He's basically the fall guy. And his reputation is shot. I'll be shocked if he gets another GM job any time soon

How are the owners the ones who wanted it done? Nico went to them, and they trusted the idiot they hired to be the GM.

Doncic was a franchise player. Not someone at the end of the bench. There's no way the owners weren't in on it. If it had went down the way you think it went down, the GM would've been fired the next day. Not 9 months later.

Of course the owners were aware of the trade, but they didn't come up with the idea.

[California Gold]

Is this the worst trade in any sport ever? Off the top of my head from other sports.

NBA- Luka
MLB-Babe Ruth, I cant think of a modern one.
NFL-Herschel Walker, a large part of building the cowboys dynasty.
NHL-Wayne Gretzky, he won with them though and they won after
Soccer- No idea, dont know enough.

Mookie Betts?