Full rebuild for the Kings ? Is it really happening ?

[zimpy27]

Sabonis is interesting. I think a team could build a Nuggets style offense around him.

[TheHartBreakKid]

DeRozan and Sabonis don't add value either. Pacers and Raptors had the most success post Sabonis and DD. Slim pickings.

Few things:


1. Singling out LaVine isn't accurate imo. He’s a flawed player and an awkward fit, but he didn’t create this mess.

2. DeRozan also isn’t to blame. He has clear limitations and was a poor fit, but comparing him to prime Kawhi on the Raptors is missing the point — Kawhi was simply on another level in talent, fit, and impact.

3. Sabonis isn’t Jokic, AD, or Embiid, but he’s still a high-level player who adds value anywhere. The Pacers getting better after trading him had more to do with Haliburton’s emergence and the trade for Siakam.

The real issue is front office decision-making. Passing on Haliburton’s upside and committing to Fox made sense at the time, but the chain of moves since has been questionable. Signing DeRozan despite the fit issue wasn't the best; trading for LaVine, especially when Fox wasn’t even expiring and could’ve fetched better value later, is just silly.

just look at the before/after ON EVERY team lavine has gone to and left from

also consider espn pods were literally making fun of teams' records with/without lavine

i look and see the bottom line and what's staring back

the accepted practice is to view team sports results as "team related" not individual, however basketball is an individual game wrapped in the team concept and individual play a massive part....and tell me where lavine has ever made a difference anywhere he ever went. and consider also the positive reactions he engenders over such a negative bottom line

I'm not disagreeing with you regarding Lavine. Just saying that the Kings' issues started way before Lavine, and are far more complicated than just him.

[BigGargamel]

It's hilarious how not having Luka Doncic doomed two franchises, both thanks to idiotic front offices.

Imagine Luka instead of Marvin Bagley. Oof.

[Statlanta]

Sabonis is interesting. I think a team could build a Nuggets style offense around him.

like the kings?

[Shaka_Zulu]

Forget that doodoo platter that is that trio of "stars".



This is who I want Timberwolves to instantly call Vivek and his front office for:


https://youtu.be/W-qtuBN-x_M?si=smeKRJETY9xiTTHg


https://youtube.com/shorts/u6FJKo2YBzw?si=8t73h9h7RN5CGl__

[Handlez]

Lakers gotta get in on this.

[Michael Jackson]

:lol:

it's the zach effect
people are so tethered to his dunking it takes them time to realize he adds zero to the W's and they walk through a season in a malaise inducing brain fog

he's a negative sum player

DeRozan and Sabonis don't add value either. Pacers and Raptors had the most success post Sabonis and DD. Slim pickings.

Few things:


1. Singling out LaVine isn't accurate imo. He’s a flawed player and an awkward fit, but he didn’t create this mess.

2. DeRozan also isn’t to blame. He has clear limitations and was a poor fit, but comparing him to prime Kawhi on the Raptors is missing the point — Kawhi was simply on another level in talent, fit, and impact.

3. Sabonis isn’t Jokic, AD, or Embiid, but he’s still a high-level player who adds value anywhere. The Pacers getting better after trading him had more to do with Haliburton’s emergence and the trade for Siakam.

The real issue is front office decision-making. Passing on Haliburton’s upside and committing to Fox made sense at the time, but the chain of moves since has been questionable. Signing DeRozan despite the fit issue wasn't the best; trading for LaVine, especially when Fox wasn’t even expiring and could’ve fetched better value later, is just silly.

As a Bull fan it is absolutely still insane to think anyone would pair Zach and DDR ahain. IT just doesn't work. The league knew it wouldn't when the Bulls did it and it was proven so well that everyone was right and they went to replicate that?

[Edrees]

De'Aaron fox might be a good young player to build around, they should look into trading for him

[TheHartBreakKid]

Lakers gotta get in on this.

For who? Where? Why?

What?

[ImSlower]

I'm still amazed the Kangz looked at my Bulls' defense with DeRozan and LaVine (and Vucevic) and thought "Hey we can totally work around that, no prob, Bob".

[Lalouie]

Few things:


1. Singling out LaVine isn't accurate imo. He’s a flawed player and an awkward fit, but he didn’t create this mess.

2. DeRozan also isn’t to blame. He has clear limitations and was a poor fit, but comparing him to prime Kawhi on the Raptors is missing the point — Kawhi was simply on another level in talent, fit, and impact.

3. Sabonis isn’t Jokic, AD, or Embiid, but he’s still a high-level player who adds value anywhere. The Pacers getting better after trading him had more to do with Haliburton’s emergence and the trade for Siakam.

The real issue is front office decision-making. Passing on Haliburton’s upside and committing to Fox made sense at the time, but the chain of moves since has been questionable. Signing DeRozan despite the fit issue wasn't the best; trading for LaVine, especially when Fox wasn’t even expiring and could’ve fetched better value later, is just silly.

just look at the before/after ON EVERY team lavine has gone to and left from

also consider espn pods were literally making fun of teams' records with/without lavine

i look and see the bottom line and what's staring back

the accepted practice is to view team sports results as "team related" not individual, however basketball is an individual game wrapped in the team concept and individual play a massive part....and tell me where lavine has ever made a difference anywhere he ever went. and consider also the positive reactions he engenders over such a negative bottom line

I'm not disagreeing with you regarding Lavine. Just saying that the Kings' issues started way before Lavine, and are far more complicated than just him.

well yes. all sports ills starts from the top. yes there is no such thing as a ggood team with bad FO,,,but if you think too much you get stuck in the mud from lack of making a first move. FO can think themselves into inertness

overthinking - that's a fact. that's the creative block you read about

sac isn't going to up and overhaul the FO. if the simplified move is to change rosters then it's time to change again. lavine was poison for two years prior to sac. literally no one wanted him

or do what dumont just did

[kg01]

I'm still amazed the Kangz looked at my Bulls' defense with DeRozan and LaVine (and Vucevic) and thought "Hey we can totally work around that, no prob, Bob".

Pretty amazing indeed.

If such a thing were tracked, I believe Lavine may have the single worst w/l record of an individual player of all time.

[ball_takes23]

I just dont really understand what they were doing over the last couple of years. they had promise in 22-23, and they couldve built off of it. Its like the tiny bit of success they saw scared them off.

they were the definition of a regular season team in 23, never going anywhere.

[ball_takes23]

It's hilarious how not having Luka Doncic doomed two franchises, both thanks to idiotic front offices.

Imagine Luka instead of Marvin Bagley. Oof.

Kings, Suns and Mavs

will all be at the bottom of the west for the foreseeable future

[Kent]

Kings fans deserve one, done right.

I don't understand this sentiment. they tanked for a majority of the 21st century. They picked in the top 5 multiple times. Their top 5 picks in this century were:
2009 - Tyreke Evans (ahead of Steph)
2010 - Cousins
2012 - Thomas Robinson (ahead of Dame)
2017 - Fox (good pick)
2018 - Bagley (everyone remembers this)
2022 - Keegan Murray (ok pick but not a game changer)

This is just top 5 picks, they have picked in the 5-10 range multiple times during this time. Tanking doesn't matter if you can't draft.

On the off-chance they make a good pick like Haliburton or Fox, they screw it up because they're the kings.

What part exactly?

That the fans deserve a rebuild or one done right?

Your post suggests they haven't had a good rebuild the past two decades so I would think you'd agree with me.

[Shock Defeat]

Wonder which team will get fooled by trading for Zach Lavine again. He is an empty stats player that makes every team he is on worse. The definition of a player that does not help their team win. I can see maybe Dallas being desperate enough, esp if they still had Nico.

[CP War Hawks]

I know RGMers hate Sabonis but the guy is a proven elite rebounde that does many things on offense. Wonder what they would actually take for him. Could see something involving OO with the Hawks.

[Ballings7]

I can see the TWolves, Bucks, Rockets getting involved to boost their teams for playoff runs. All probably will have good enough defensive cores already to bring in one of the Kings vets.

Schroeder on Houston or Minnesota would be a nice fit.

LaVine in MIilwaukee.

Doubt the Kings trade with the Lakers. Lacking assets and same division, even if on different spectrums.

[Michael Jackson]

I know RGMers hate Sabonis but the guy is a proven elite rebounde that does many things on offense. Wonder what they would actually take for him. Could see something involving OO with the Hawks.

So was Vuc (well not as good at either) and he never would move a needle. Decent piece for sure and the right fit he is very useful but he isn't going to net some great return. That player is limited in impact. If he had above average defense, now that is a highly desired player.

[Frank Dux]

Sabonis should hold some value, but it's going to be deck chairs with the rest.

Sabonis is owed $45m next season and then $48m the next season. I don’t see the value for a below the rim big who can’t defend at all.

I feel like he’s more a salary dump guy at this point.