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Re: Toronto needs a new Center 

Post#161 » by Psubs » Tue Nov 11, 2025 7:35 pm

everdiso wrote:more good players is always good but I don't think taking away minutes from Mamu and CMB would be my first choice in trying to upgrade the team.


Mamu is at least around average defensively, but would like him to rebound more on the defensive end. Offensively he's so good. Instead of paying Agbaji, I'd pay Mamu like 3 years $20 million.
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Re: Toronto needs a new Center 

Post#162 » by SharoneWright » Tue Nov 11, 2025 8:07 pm

Jadoogar wrote:
Slim_Charles wrote:Time to make a trade for Gafford


Gafford or Lively should be the targets. Dallas needs some guards, maybe they are interested in Jakobe or Abaji?

Can't really move Shead since he's our only backup point guard.


womp womp.

Mavs will build around Lively and Flagg and their 2026 FRP.

AD is surely available though.! :-?
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Re: Toronto needs a new Center 

Post#163 » by Nebuchadnezzar » Tue Nov 11, 2025 8:08 pm

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LoveMyRaps wrote:Poeltl has become quite injury prone.

It's kind of worrisome that we gave him that contract.


Thats not what injury prone means.

Injury prone means, that some guy is constantly injured and misses a lot of time every year.

Poeltl had exactly one injury in his career that kept him out for a longer time and that was January 2024. Every other time he missed time, was either through small things or precaution cause it wasnt necessary to play him. Right now, he missed 4 games out of 9, and one of those games was precaution.

Maybe, if the current issue lingers and stays, yes then its a problem. But he has not missed a lot of time, compared to IQ or even Barnes.


exactly this - other guys have missed much more times. These types of responses are from folks who didn't want him in the first place. Can you imagine, there were those who didn't want to make that trade for him? - without Yak this franchise would be cooked.
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Re: Toronto needs a new Center 

Post#164 » by Jadoogar » Tue Nov 11, 2025 8:45 pm

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Jadoogar wrote:
Slim_Charles wrote:Time to make a trade for Gafford


Gafford or Lively should be the targets. Dallas needs some guards, maybe they are interested in Jakobe or Abaji?

Can't really move Shead since he's our only backup point guard.


womp womp.

Mavs will build around Lively and Flagg and their 2026 FRP.

AD is surely available though.! :-?


i think people are overrating Lively a little. He's good but he has absolutely looked a lot worse without Luka.
I don't view Lively as a building block.
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Re: Toronto needs a new Center 

Post#165 » by everdiso » Tue Nov 11, 2025 8:51 pm

SharoneWright wrote:AD is surely available though.! :-?


this is actually.....a very interesting idea?
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Re: Toronto needs a new Center 

Post#166 » by TheAlchemist23 » Tue Nov 11, 2025 8:55 pm

Gafford is a solid target if Dallas is tearing it down
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Re: Toronto needs a new Center 

Post#167 » by earthtone » Tue Nov 11, 2025 9:00 pm

everdiso wrote:
SharoneWright wrote:AD is surely available though.! :-?


this is actually.....a very interesting idea?

AD would be an interesting fit on this roster, but its too soon to make a big move like that imo

I’d rather run through the season with this core and see how they mesh together before making any big splashes
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Re: Toronto needs a new Center 

Post#168 » by littlerock2277 » Tue Nov 11, 2025 9:20 pm

Sucks how we were just a couple of picks away from drafting Ware last season and one pick away from potentially getting lively as well in 2023. Either one of those bigs would be prefect for our team right now.
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Re: Toronto needs a new Center 

Post#169 » by SharoneWright » Tue Nov 11, 2025 10:45 pm

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Jadoogar wrote:
Gafford or Lively should be the targets. Dallas needs some guards, maybe they are interested in Jakobe or Abaji?

Can't really move Shead since he's our only backup point guard.


womp womp.

Mavs will build around Lively and Flagg and their 2026 FRP.

AD is surely available though.! :-?


i think people are overrating Lively a little. He's good but he has absolutely looked a lot worse without Luka.
I don't view Lively as a building block.


Well, a lot of people on our side seem to want to trade for him…

Obviously, he has the length you want. And he’s the right age to pair with Flagg and 2026FRP. The Mavs aren’t going anywhere right now. That’s obvious. They are looking to the future in which they have a 1st round draft pick in 2026 and then nothing until 2031. If they’re trying to build around Flagg, they are keeping (building with) whatever good young players they have.
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Re: Toronto needs a new Center 

Post#170 » by everdiso » Tue Nov 11, 2025 11:57 pm

wanted to do some size comps with some select teams.


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Re: Toronto needs a new Center 

Post#171 » by Psubs » Wed Nov 12, 2025 12:16 am

Nebuchadnezzar wrote:
Shakril wrote:
LoveMyRaps wrote:Poeltl has become quite injury prone.

It's kind of worrisome that we gave him that contract.


Thats not what injury prone means.

Injury prone means, that some guy is constantly injured and misses a lot of time every year.

Poeltl had exactly one injury in his career that kept him out for a longer time and that was January 2024. Every other time he missed time, was either through small things or precaution cause it wasnt necessary to play him. Right now, he missed 4 games out of 9, and one of those games was precaution.

Maybe, if the current issue lingers and stays, yes then its a problem. But he has not missed a lot of time, compared to IQ or even Barnes.


exactly this - other guys have missed much more times. These types of responses are from folks who didn't want him in the first place. Can you imagine, there were those who didn't want to make that trade for him? - without Yak this franchise would be cooked.


Instead of the #13 pick Gradey Dick, they might've been worse enough to get Wembenyama (unless it was rigged for the Spurs to move up).
Raptors would have injured Zach Edey.

While we're at it dumb trade for Thaddeus Young, could've been Christian Braun

PG IQ - Shead
SG Barrett - Braun - Agbaji
SF Ingram - Battle
PF Scottie - Wemby
C Wemby - Edey
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Re: Toronto needs a new Center 

Post#172 » by gaoj2 » Wed Nov 12, 2025 5:03 am

They dont need to get a new center, but they need a great back up big center, why not JV? He is 10 million, 33 years opd, for a back up centrr, he is A rating. Ladt year they waste 11 million on boucher. No wonder why masai let go
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Re: Toronto needs a new Center 

Post#173 » by Freeman6 » Wed Nov 12, 2025 5:50 pm

Jadoogar wrote:
Slim_Charles wrote:Time to make a trade for Gafford


Gafford or Lively should be the targets. Dallas needs some guards, maybe they are interested in Jakobe or Abaji?

Can't really move Shead since he's our only backup point guard.


We would have to take on more salary to do a trade with Dallas because they're hard capped in the 1st apron. Gafford would be ideal but it would take a third team or more to make it work which makes a deal unlikely.
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Re: Toronto needs a new Center 

Post#174 » by Freeman6 » Wed Nov 12, 2025 5:57 pm

Guys like dayron sharpe, jock landale, nick Richards, are interesting, more realistic targets.
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Re: Toronto needs a new Center 

Post#175 » by dagger » Fri Nov 14, 2025 5:20 pm

littlerock2277 wrote:Sucks how we were just a couple of picks away from drafting Ware last season and one pick away from potentially getting lively as well in 2023. Either one of those bigs would be prefect for our team right now.


Well, we could have drafted Kalkbrenner instead of CMB. The rookie ratings out just now have him well ahead of CM as is Queen, although Kalkbrenner is a classic defensive big and would have been a better backup for Poeltl - and ultimately becoming his replacement.
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Re: Toronto needs a new Center 

Post#176 » by PushDaRock » Fri Nov 14, 2025 5:38 pm

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littlerock2277 wrote:Sucks how we were just a couple of picks away from drafting Ware last season and one pick away from potentially getting lively as well in 2023. Either one of those bigs would be prefect for our team right now.


Well, we could have drafted Kalkbrenner instead of CMB. The rookie ratings out just now have him well ahead of CM as is Queen, although Kalkbrenner is a classic defensive big and would have been a better backup for Poeltl - and ultimately becoming his replacement.


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Re: Toronto needs a new Center 

Post#177 » by Blazing_royale » Fri Nov 14, 2025 6:21 pm

Wonder if we should have drafted Derik Queen. He would have fit the need here
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Re: Toronto needs a new Center 

Post#178 » by tsherkin » Fri Nov 14, 2025 6:31 pm

dagger wrote:
littlerock2277 wrote:Sucks how we were just a couple of picks away from drafting Ware last season and one pick away from potentially getting lively as well in 2023. Either one of those bigs would be prefect for our team right now.


Well, we could have drafted Kalkbrenner instead of CMB. The rookie ratings out just now have him well ahead of CM as is Queen, although Kalkbrenner is a classic defensive big and would have been a better backup for Poeltl - and ultimately becoming his replacement.


Kalbrenner is an interesting one, but CMB has been doing pretty well for us, honestly, and it's not like Kalk is destroying the league or otherwise dramatically outperforming. He's a 26, 27 mpg guy rocking 10/7 (about 13/9 PER36). Finishing super well, blocking shots, looks good... but CMB has been good for us defensively, hitting 3s, averaging 9/4 or so in about 21 mpg (about 15/7 PER36), has been efficient, excellent on D and so forth.

I don't know that Kalk would be making a massive difference for us compared to CMB. He's a single-position guy and he replicates a lot of what we get from Jak, whereas CMB can sort of float around 2 or 3 positions depending on how that 3 is falling, you know?
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Re: Toronto needs a new Center 

Post#179 » by dagger » Fri Nov 14, 2025 6:51 pm

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dagger wrote:
littlerock2277 wrote:Sucks how we were just a couple of picks away from drafting Ware last season and one pick away from potentially getting lively as well in 2023. Either one of those bigs would be prefect for our team right now.


Well, we could have drafted Kalkbrenner instead of CMB. The rookie ratings out just now have him well ahead of CM as is Queen, although Kalkbrenner is a classic defensive big and would have been a better backup for Poeltl - and ultimately becoming his replacement.


Kalbrenner is an interesting one, but CMB has been doing pretty well for us, honestly, and it's not like Kalk is destroying the league or otherwise dramatically outperforming. He's a 26, 27 mpg guy rocking 10/7 (about 13/9 PER36). Finishing super well, blocking shots, looks good... but CMB has been good for us defensively, hitting 3s, averaging 9/4 or so in about 21 mpg (about 15/7 PER36), has been efficient, excellent on D and so forth.

I don't know that Kalk would be making a massive difference for us compared to CMB. He's a single-position guy and he replicates a lot of what we get from Jak, whereas CMB can sort of float around 2 or 3 positions depending on how that 3 is falling, you know?


I like CMB, but he is limited offensively, and small for a C defensively. He is no SF, maybe a power forward. Kalkbrenner, who would have been a trade down option, would have been positioned as Poeltl eventual replacement, so yes, not nearly as versatile as CMB, but in building a contender, would have addressed a need the Raptors will have to face eventually, first for a backup C and then for a starter. This is the kind of crazy hindsight this board specializes in. Maybe if Chomche hadn't run into a possible career ending health issue, Masai might have traded up a bit from the Portland pick (#39) to take a C as well as CMB. Or he could have traded the #9 pick to NO for the crazy 2026 unprotected first, then moved up our second rounder. It's all pretty useless speculation.
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Re: Toronto needs a new Center 

Post#180 » by TheAlchemist23 » Fri Nov 14, 2025 6:59 pm

Freeman6 wrote:Guys like dayron sharpe, jock landale, nick Richards, are interesting, more realistic targets.

Isn't Gafford rumored to be traded?

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