OT: Nico Harrison Fired ( FINALLY!)

[CPT]

Not a big fan of the idea of bringing in Anthony Davis. Alex McKechnie has his hands full as it is.

It’s also hard to find a deal that makes sense.

I do like the general idea of trying to take advantage of an unstable situation, but they don’t have that much to take advantage of.

[Raps in 4]

1 thing we can all agree on... no matter how much we can disagree on Bobby and Masai's recent moves, things could always be worse loll

If Silver rings up Ed and is like "yo, can you please trade your superstar to the Lakers for peanuts, league viewership is in the gutter", does Ed hang up the phone?

[Raps in 4]

Hard to imagine what the hell anybody was thinking in that situation. All time worst trade in all of sports probably.

Not worse than Vince for two bad Williams'. They can trade AD for more value right now than what we got for prime Vince Carter.

This is way worse. VC was demanding a trade. Luka was literally crying when they traded him. Luka is also a way better player than Vince ever was.

[Raps in 4]

People don't just blindly do what their bosses tell them unless they have no back bone if it is going to destroy their reputation and career.

People literally do this all the time.

[Raps in 4]

They're not in the worst place though. They have Flagg and most of their vets are tradable.

They don't have any picks until 2031, and their vets aren't tradable at all. Kyrie is a 33 year-old, athletic PG who just tore his ACL (and he was already made of glass before that) and AD is a 32 year-old big who has missed more games in his career than he's played. They will be making a combined ~$100M/year for the next 2.5 seasons.

[Raptorfan2012]

I’d definitely try to get AD if the price is low. IQ and Jak plus a young player and a protected pick.

[Kingsway_fan]

Hard to imagine what the hell anybody was thinking in that situation. All time worst trade in all of sports probably.

Not worse than Vince for two bad Williams'. They can trade AD for more value right now than what we got for prime Vince Carter.

This is way worse. VC was demanding a trade. Luka was literally crying when they traded him. Luka is also a way better player than Vince ever was.

Debatable. The point is VC was a top 5 star.. and they got nothing for him... Dallas got perennial star AD... so Babcock was way worse ... The ATLTimekeeper was correct.

[Los_29]

Not worse than Vince for two bad Williams'. They can trade AD for more value right now than what we got for prime Vince Carter.

This is way worse. VC was demanding a trade. Luka was literally crying when they traded him. Luka is also a way better player than Vince ever was.

Debatable. The point is VC was a top 5 star.. and they got nothing for him... Dallas got perennial star AD... so Babcock was way worse ... The ATLTimekeeper was correct.

Not even close. He was averaging 15ppg for us and was far removed from being an ALL-NBA player. He also had never taken a team past the 2nd round and was actually missing the playoffs prior to the trade. Won 33 games the previous year.

Luka was younger at the time of the trade and far better than Vince ever was. One finals appearance, two conference finals appearances. Numerous ALL-NBA nominations.

[Mack11]

I dont want a 32 year old AD on this team lol Dude should be looking at retirement at this point as hes actually never healthy

[rapstarter]

Not worse than Vince for two bad Williams'. They can trade AD for more value right now than what we got for prime Vince Carter.

This is way worse. VC was demanding a trade. Luka was literally crying when they traded him. Luka is also a way better player than Vince ever was.

Debatable. The point is VC was a top 5 star.. and they got nothing for him... Dallas got perennial star AD... so Babcock was way worse ... The ATLTimekeeper was correct.

10th is the highest VC ever finished in MVP voting and he was never in the All-NBA First Team. You can certainly argue that he meant as much to Toronto as Luka did to Dallas, but he was nowhere near the player Luka was, during his peak and especially at the time of the trade. You are talking about a 25 year old superstar who had already been in the First Team 5 times and JUST came off the season where he led his team to the Finals. This is as close to untouchable as an asset should be. The gap between the two is bigger than an aging, always-injured AD.

[MiamiSPX]

They're not in the worst place though. They have Flagg and most of their vets are tradable.

They don't have any picks until 2031, and their vets aren't tradable at all. Kyrie is a 33 year-old, athletic PG who just tore his ACL (and he was already made of glass before that) and AD is a 32 year-old big who has missed more games in his career than he's played. They will be making a combined ~$100M/year for the next 2.5 seasons.

Kyrie puts up 24/5/5 in his sleep and flirts with 50/40/90 every season (and is going to the Hall of Fame). His salary isn't even crazy (he makes less than Scottie and BI). There will absolutely be teams interested. Guys like Marshall and Washington will draw interest as well.

AD is different, his salary is huge for what you get. But when he's on and playing, he is a top player. All it takes is one team to think they can keep him healthy and there is always a GM out there that thinks that way. Heck, there were apparently 2 teams willing to trade for Beal last year but he wouldn't waive his NTC and he is close to being out of the league. GS traded for a 37-year old Butler AND gave him an extension and his availability is always questionable, and he's a headcase who has left every single team on bad terms. He also doesn't have nearly the resume that AD does.

Every year there are 2-3 guys moved that most thought were untradeable. I'm not saying Dallas is going to bring in a plethora of draft picks for them. I'm just saying they can move most of them.

Anyway, my initial point is that despite a horrendous trade that will live in infamy, they are still not in the worst spot. Deep pocketed owner (2nd richest after Ballmer, I believe), a warm no-tax State, and they have the blue chip prospect in place.

[Kingsway_fan]

This is way worse. VC was demanding a trade. Luka was literally crying when they traded him. Luka is also a way better player than Vince ever was.

Debatable. The point is VC was a top 5 star.. and they got nothing for him... Dallas got perennial star AD... so Babcock was way worse ... The ATLTimekeeper was correct.

10th is the highest VC ever finished in MVP voting and he was never in the All-NBA First Team. You can certainly argue that he meant as much to Toronto as Luka did to Dallas, but he was nowhere near the player Luka was, during his peak and especially at the time of the trade. You are talking about a 25 year old superstar who had already been in the First Team 5 times and JUST came off the season where he led his team to the Finals. This is as close to untouchable as an asset should be. The gap between the two is bigger than an aging, always-injured AD.

AD is or has been a top tier perennial superstar... so while not equal value for a young Luka he still was and is a top-tier star.

[raptorforlife88]

Not worse than Vince for two bad Williams'. They can trade AD for more value right now than what we got for prime Vince Carter.

This is way worse. VC was demanding a trade. Luka was literally crying when they traded him. Luka is also a way better player than Vince ever was.

Debatable. The point is VC was a top 5 star.. and they got nothing for him... Dallas got perennial star AD... so Babcock was way worse ... The ATLTimekeeper was correct.

Ok VC was not anywhere near a top 5 star at the time of the trade. The last time he had been near that level (or ever would be near that level) was 3.5 years earlier. It is crazy to call him a top five star especially at the time of the trade. No relation to reality whatsoever.

And that would have been if he had been playing at the level he'd played at the year before, but on top of that he was dogging it and was averaging 15 PPG on a bad team. His value was in the tank. Even if it was an awful trade, and one of the worst in history, all of those factors make it not even comparable to the Luka trade.

The Ringer article on the Harrison firing mentions some of the worst GMs ever and some of their trades, and it doesn't even mention the VC trade. That's an oversight honestly, but it's also indicative of the fact that those trades are not on the same level.

[kalel123]

Not a big fan of the idea of bringing in Anthony Davis. Alex McKechnie has his hands full as it is.

It’s also hard to find a deal that makes sense.

I do like the general idea of trying to take advantage of an unstable situation, but they don’t have that much to take advantage of.

No deal for Anthony Davis makes sense. Only one that might make sense would be if we do it around Ingram and fillers since it'd be astronomically idiotic to carry two such high risk injury prone players on the roster. But even that doesn't make sense since we just got him going and Davis looks like he's going to miss more games than he plays at this point for the season.

[Pointgod]

They're not in the worst place though. They have Flagg and most of their vets are tradable.

They don't have any picks until 2031, and their vets aren't tradable at all. Kyrie is a 33 year-old, athletic PG who just tore his ACL (and he was already made of glass before that) and AD is a 32 year-old big who has missed more games in his career than he's played. They will be making a combined ~$100M/year for the next 2.5 seasons.

They have this year’s pick. Tank hard this year and pair Flagg with Peterson, Boozer, Dybansta and trade their vets for young guys and picks they can go through a quick rebuild.

[LoveMyRaps]

Bobby replacement

[scuervo1]

I dont want a 32 year old AD on this team lol Dude should be looking at retirement at this point as hes actually never healthy

His nickname is literally "street-clothes".

[LascelleL]

Hes the obvious fall guy lmao he's going to get a nice job at the NBA headquarters in 5 years.

[Basketball_Jones]

Kind of glad Cooper Flagg sucks right now and didn’t immediately save him from this lol

[TheGeneral99]

Kind of glad Cooper Flagg sucks right now and didn’t immediately save him from this lol

Cooper doesn't even suck, it's because AD has been out most of the season, Kyrie is out, and the rest of the team is garbage.

Cooper is averaging 15ppg, 7rpg and 3apg on 42%fg while playing PG, something he didn't do before. He also doesn't have good shooters around him. When Cooper starts at forward this year he averages 17.5ppg, 8rpg and 4apg on 47%fg.

Cooper will be really good once he develops his handles and improves his shooting. I'm not sure if he's the sure fire superstar people thought he would be, but he'll be an all-star eventually.