Full rebuild for the Kings ? Is it really happening ?

[TheHartBreakKid]

Sabonis is interesting. I think a team could build a Nuggets style offense around him.

No you can’t. I've seen a lot of Sabonis. He's not good enough to run a offense through. He's not even Jokic light.

He's a very good passer, but he'll bog down a offense. If that’s your strategy you're gonna be disappointed. He needs to be the 3rd or 4th best player on a team, then you got something.

I think if you pair him with a bonifide perimeter superstar ( SGA/Luka level), and have a decent well coached balanced team built around the 2, Sabonis can be the second best player on a championship team, ala Pau Gasol.

But yeah, there is no comparison to Jokic. I don't think there is another player in NBA history that you could "build a Nuggets style offense" around other than Jokic.

[OxAndFox]

Let's hope this is true. This is only the first step though. The others won't happen. Thank goodness they're calling it before Perry could use the assets the Kings have got and done something really stupid.
Where do you begin?
- Sabonis is paid like a #1 and is a #3 at best. The Pacers fan earlier saying he can't carry an offense is deadset wrong though, he did and the Kings had the #1 offense which also set a record I believe. Carrying an offense doesn't mean your a #1. Completely different.
- Lavine is paid like a #1 and is at best a #3. Elite scoring efficiency. Dumb player, doesn't defend. Can't win with him.
- DDR is the biggest terrorist of an offense I've ever seen. Having said that he has been A LOT better this season so far. I think that's him saying get me the hell out of here.
- Monk is fantastic off the bench. Hope he gets to a good situation. He will be a difference maker for a team in the POs, watch.
- Schroeder just needs to GTFOH. He isn't the type of guy to have around a rebuilding team. They won't get anything for him, but just get him off the team.
- Doug Christie. What can I say about this fraud. Kings fans will hate me for saying this, but he is the absolute worst coach in the NBA and wouldn't be in the top 100 coaches you would hire for a HC role. I won't go into it more, but this dude should be fired, but we all know he won't be.

Keegan, Keon, Nique, Raynaud. Keep these guys and dump the rest. In Keon's case though I absolutely 100% hope and pray he gets traded or signs with another team as UFA next year. The Kings have completely disrespected this guys game and cost him $$$. Get him on a serious franchise please.
The Kings should sit Keegan and let him heal until all of the vets (Sabonis/DDR/Lavine/Schroeder) are gone. Well they have to wait for Schroeder, but hey.
Then start Nique/Keon/Keegan/My-little-Precious/Raynaud. Give Devin Carter 26+MPG. They will get hammered every night, but they are anyway and it would be a lot more fun watching guys actually play D.

Having said that, I fully expect Vivek to tell Scott Perry to go ahead and sign Ben Simmons so he can assemble the biggest cast of players that make no sense in the modern NBA.
Sabonis/Simmons/DDR/Westbrook/Schroeder. I want to see it!

[bkkrh]

So 2 seasons ago you go all in by trading for Lavine and DeRozan, 2 star players that just had played together, struggling to make the playoffs. This season you give 32 year old Dennis Schröder a 3 year contract, trade for Dario Saric and sign/resign Westbrook and McDermott. Just last week you also sign Achiuwa. Now 10 games in the season you considering to break it all up?

You really have to feel sorry for Kings fans at this point.

[Chuck Everett]

So 2 seasons ago you go all in by trading for Lavine and DeRozan, 2 star players that just had played together, struggling to make the playoffs. This season you give 32 year old Dennis Schröder a 3 year contract, trade for Dario Saric and sign/resign Westbrook and McDermott. Just last week you also sign Achiuwa. Now 10 games in the season you considering to break it all up 10 games in the season?

You really have to feel sorry for Kings fans at this point.

This sounds eerily like you're saying there isn't a plan here.

[HMFFL]

A rebuild benefits Russ. He may receive a 10 year extention from the Kings now.

[dballislife]

literally only sabonis and murray will return you anything...if you blow it up and rebuild you want to bring back most assets as possible, so you gotta move them the rest of your team aint getting you much at all

[OxAndFox]

So 2 seasons ago you go all in by trading for Lavine and DeRozan, 2 star players that just had played together, struggling to make the playoffs. This season you give 32 year old Dennis Schröder a 3 year contract, trade for Dario Saric and sign/resign Westbrook and McDermott. Just last week you also sign Achiuwa. Now 10 games in the season you considering to break it all up 10 games in the season?

You really have to feel sorry for Kings fans at this point.

FWIW Achiuwa should be left out of it. Below is the list of players over 6'6 for the Kings. Who is playing next to Sabonis?

Keegan (Injured - 0 games)
Saric - Nope. Break glass in case of emergency or blowouts only.
Eubanks - Not playing next to Sabonis. Just no.
Raynaud - rookie. Probably the best option but dunce Doug won't see it. But also can't go with the quicker 4s. Still wouldn't give up as many as the others.
Cardwell - not nearly ready and may never be an NBA end of bench guy TBH.
Jones - was waived for PA. Probably the best option but there has to be a scapegoat for the "great" D from the perimeter players of Schroeder and co.

[knicksfan974]

It's hilarious how not having Luka Doncic doomed two franchises, both thanks to idiotic front offices.

Imagine Luka instead of Marvin Bagley. Oof.

Either way Luka would be a Laker by now and Kings would have someone like AD.

[OxAndFox]

It's hilarious how not having Luka Doncic doomed two franchises, both thanks to idiotic front offices.

Imagine Luka instead of Marvin Bagley. Oof.

Either way Luka would be a Laker by now and Kings would have someone like AD.

Nah. Don't just make stuff up. You don't have to if you want to make fun of the org.

If Vivek had a Luka that he could claim as his Steph. He wouldn't let anyone trade him.

[Capn'O]

I see Monk being the most versatile fit for other teams to target but Sabonis is probably the best overall player, and certainly could make a difference if teams sack [ha, pun not intended] some MLE level or 20M contracts for a solid post presence. Charlotte ?? Phoenix ?? Orlando (walk with me on Domas high-post unlocking the Magic offense. I rate both of them as 1 FRP or better.

Schroder and Westbrook could potentially help teams needing guards, of which there are a few, but they aren't necessarily game changers for the receivign team. However they might be worth a deeper bench player needing a new home.

Also, will be interesting if DeRozan finds a place a la Sabonis, same situation. He can help in certain situations, but is not the best target for improving the maximum ceiling. He is a proven scorer. There should be some level in intrigue here.

Get creative GMs let's see what you got.

Kings untouchables for me are Murray and Clifford. Saric is low enough salary that he should only be included if necessary.

Literally, we just watched Schröder be a positive for the Pistons in the playoffs against the Knicks. He's not playing well in Sacramento, but last year when DeRozan came in, Kings fans got mad at me for saying his arrival meant a step back for Keegan Murray.

Lo and behold what happened? A step back for Keegan in all levels offensively (defensively he was fine). Dennis will be fine off the bench for an EC playoff team if he gets moved or even Minnesota, if they're willing to part with Conley (they might be loyal to him).

The Kings have a million guards and they all have warts. Monk could fit a few places, but he's firmly a backup now. You're not getting anything but 2nd rounders for him.

Trading someone like DiVincenzo for him is not even an upgrade. Like at all.

Lavine's contract is toxic. I honestly could only see him going to Memphis in a Ja trade. No one else needs a high volume SG who does nothing else.

Demar and Westbrook are what they are. They are going to play their way come hell or high water.

Sabonis could have value to a team like Washington, because they literally have no quality size around Sarr. And Sarr could cover for his deficiencies. However, it seems like the league has figured him out and just attack his weaknesses non-stop now.

Overall, Vivek has to eat this turd sandwich. Enamored with names with little regard for fit or roles. Just asinine team building. Even their youth is all old.

Simply put, this is an organization that needs a top 3 pick.

Ironically, somebody like Murray might be their best trade chip for draft picks. Move him. Move Sabonis. Your team will SUCK after that. Profit.

[Mr Peanut]

Sabonis is interesting. I think a team could build a Nuggets style offense around him.

A team wanting to acquire more lottery balls, yes.

[RIPskaterdude]

lol at “finally happening”. The Kings were at the tail end rebuilding just 3-4 years ago. They just happened to do a terrible job at it.

To be clear, I 100% agree that they need to be rebuilding rn, but maybe the rebuild should start with the front office.

Kings have never done a full rebuild

[SNPA]

So 2 seasons ago you go all in by trading for Lavine and DeRozan, 2 star players that just had played together, struggling to make the playoffs. This season you give 32 year old Dennis Schröder a 3 year contract, trade for Dario Saric and sign/resign Westbrook and McDermott. Just last week you also sign Achiuwa. Now 10 games in the season you considering to break it all up 10 games in the season?

You really have to feel sorry for Kings fans at this point.

Bro…this is normal for us. It’s actual on the better side, at least these guys are legit nba players. It’s the mix that sucks, normally it’s the talent and the mix and off court drama. All and all…fairly solid Tuesday loss to the Nuggs for Kings fans. We can’t be hurt…we’re way past feeling pain or emotion or alive. We’re the goths of the nba.

[pepe1991]

If they are serious about actual full blown rebuild, they need to:
1) find elite FO /GM & entire new scouting group of people, with brilliant basketball visions
2) make sure Vivek has no say in decision making

Kinga have been doing nothing but rebuilds for past 20 years, it's their terrible scouting & roster decision making by FOs that kept them in basement.

In 2009 they took Tyreke Evans over Steph Curry.
In 2012 they could have drafted Lillard, they drafted Thomas Robinson, while having Cousins, playing same position.
In 2013 they took Ben McLemore over KCP, Adams, CJ McCollum, Giannis, Schroder...
In 2015 they took Willie Cauley-Stein over many other good players, including Booker and Turner

And ffs they took Bagley over Dončić because Divac. Nobody even knows, including Divac, why he didn't like Dončić.

Very same team gave up Haliburton. Tbh Sabonis is good player so i don't that too much against them.


But my point is, you simply can't be this incompetent when it comes to drafting, assets management & roster construction and hope just dumb luck will get you somewhere in rebuild.

Who da f*** would see Bulls roster falling apart with Lavine and Derozan and come to conclusion "well, this looks great, let's get them" ?

[Dan Z]

I was looking at their roster and a stat that stood out to me is that Russell Westbrook is shooting .451 from three (on 5.1 attempts per game). After 17 years in the NBA did he finally learn how to shoot from three?

[LuDux1]

I was looking at their roster and stat that stood out to me is that Russell Westbrook is shooting .451 from three (on 5.1 attempts per game). After 17 years in the NBA did he finally learn how to shoot from three?

He stole shooting touch from Sabonis

[Chuck Everett]

Ironically, somebody like Murray might be their best trade chip for draft picks. Move him. Move Sabonis. Your team will SUCK after that. Profit.

Cap,

Keegan was their best trade chip before they gave him a 125 million dollar extension. 25-35 too much starting next season. The contracts are all wonky. Seven of their 10 rotation players are guards.

Serious question here, do we think he and Sabonis are fetching anything beyond lottery protected first rounders? I guess maybe if Dumars and Weaver are involved anything is possible.

[LuDux1]

Sabonis is interesting. I think a team could build a Nuggets style offense around him.

No you can’t. I've seen a lot of Sabonis. He's not good enough to run a offense through. He's not even Jokic light.

He's a very good passer, but he'll bog down a offense. If that’s your strategy you're gonna be disappointed. He needs to be the 3rd or 4th best player on a team, then you got something.

I think if you pair him with a bonifide perimeter superstar ( SGA/Luka level), and have a decent well coached balanced team built around the 2, Sabonis can be the second best player on a championship team, ala Pau Gasol.

But yeah, there is no comparison to Jokic. I don't think there is another player in NBA history that you could "build a Nuggets style offense" around other than Jokic.

He's more like Draymond. Obviously, step up offensively BA DUM TISH

[Sane]

They can rebuild a thousand times, wouldn't matter. If the head of the organization is incompetent, then every rebuild will follow in his culture and competence.

[Dan Z]

Ironically, somebody like Murray might be their best trade chip for draft picks. Move him. Move Sabonis. Your team will SUCK after that. Profit.

Cap,

Keegan was their best trade chip before they gave him a 125 million dollar extension. 25-35 too much starting next season. The contracts are all wonky. Seven of their 10 rotation players are guards.

Serious question here, do we think he and Sabonis are fetching anything beyond lottery protected first rounders? I guess maybe if Dumars and Weaver are involved anything is possible.

I'm not sure what they should do. One idea is shop everyone to try and get picks and/or expiring contracts. They probably won't get many offers, so they'll have to re-visit this in a year. At that point DDR and LaVine are in the last year of their contracts.