Post-Game: Raps beat Nets, go back above .500

[Duffman100]

I find more and more this board succumbs to the No True Scotsman fallacy. Everything is measured against an idealized standard and anything else is 'mid' and 'mediocre'. We are not 'true contenders'. So-and-so is not a 'true #1 option'. And all of this is proclaimed with an aspect of definitive foresight where future outcomes and the ceiling of the players and the team are assured.

In this one, we beat the Nets by 10 points. We didn't trail since about the 9:30 mark in the second quarter. And yet to read the PG it's presented as if this was an L for the team. Truly bizarre.

Post of the year.

Because our goal is to compete this year, I think many inexplicably thought we would jump out to an 8-3 record and anything less is an abject failure. We look a million times better than we have the last 2 seasons and yet there are calls to trade Barnes asap (despite no team ever trading their best player 11 games into the season when they have a good relationship and he didn't ask out).

Beat the Nets by 10? Not good enough, should have beat them by 20.
Point out that 2 of our 3 highest paid players led the way? But RJ!
Bring up that Barnes has been our best overall player? No!! He's not true #1, why haven't they traded him?

Not telling anyone how to be a fan (I hate when others do that), but I do genuinely wonder why some even follow this team. It's like they "hate watch" them.

At one point IQ was 16, 4 and 4, with no turnovers on like 6-12 from the field and the GT was acting like the guy was losing us the game. I'm sort of neutral on him, but that was a little wild to watch.

[NBA Sheady]

I’m sure Hoffa had great stamina too.

Developed from years of scrubbing toilets. (Not kidding)

[Boardbreaker]

I find more and more this board succumbs to the No True Scotsman fallacy. Everything is measured against an idealized standard and anything else is 'mid' and 'mediocre'. We are not 'true contenders'. So-and-so is not a 'true #1 option'. And all of this is proclaimed with an aspect of definitive foresight where future outcomes and the ceiling of the players and the team are assured.

In this one, we beat the Nets by 10 points. We didn't trail since about the 9:30 mark in the second quarter. And yet to read the PG it's presented as if this was an L for the team. Truly bizarre.

Post of the year.

Because our goal is to compete this year, I think many inexplicably thought we would jump out to an 8-3 record and anything less is an abject failure. We look a million times better than we have the last 2 seasons and yet there are calls to trade Barnes asap (despite no team ever trading their best player 11 games into the season when they have a good relationship and he didn't ask out).

Beat the Nets by 10? Not good enough, should have beat them by 20.
Point out that 2 of our 3 highest paid players led the way? But RJ!
Bring up that Barnes has been our best overall player? No!! He's not true #1, why haven't they traded him?

Not telling anyone how to be a fan (I hate when others do that), but I do genuinely wonder why some even follow this team. It's like they "hate watch" them.

Feels like a lot didn't actually watch the game and just checked the box score after.

[YogurtProducer]

13 points on 21 shots is wild.

Why give this scrub the ball so much?

Hilarious to think you waited 11 games to be able to complain about RJ

Not convinced you actually watched the game tho. If you did you know he just missed stuff he usually makes.

"It just didn't go in this time. Doesn't mean he had a bad game." This guy makes coping into an art form.

Lol it is not cope to be reasonable and level headed.

https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&ContextMeasure=FGA&EndPeriod=0&EndRange=28800&GameID=0022500207&PlayerID=1629628&RangeType=0&Season=2025-26&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&StartPeriod=0&StartRange=0&TeamID=1610612761&flag=3&sct=plot&section=game

The guy just missed open 3's and some other easy looks. Not to mention, there was somehow more than 1 play in which he "took 2 shots" on "putbacks" but from what I can tell that is just bad stat keeping (likely a Nets get trying to give the Nets some blocks).

Overall, every shot was in the flow of the offense, were good looks, and were far from us "giving the scrub the ball so much". You make it sound like we cleared out and let RJ go 1-on-1 21 times or something.

[YogurtProducer]

I wonder how long it'll take for people to see how good Scottie actally is.

A True #1 doesn't have to be a lead scorer on nightly basis.

Yeah, they do.

Lowry is maybe the best example in Raptors history to ever be the best player on a team while not being a leading scorer. Guess what? He still needed a Kawhi.

[Mikistan]

I find more and more this board succumbs to the No True Scotsman fallacy. Everything is measured against an idealized standard and anything else is 'mid' and 'mediocre'. We are not 'true contenders'. So-and-so is not a 'true #1 option'. And all of this is proclaimed with an aspect of definitive foresight where future outcomes and the ceiling of the players and the team are assured.

In this one, we beat the Nets by 10 points. We didn't trail since about the 9:30 mark in the second quarter. And yet to read the PG it's presented as if this was an L for the team. Truly bizarre.

Post of the year.

Because our goal is to compete this year, I think many inexplicably thought we would jump out to an 8-3 record and anything less is an abject failure. We look a million times better than we have the last 2 seasons and yet there are calls to trade Barnes asap (despite no team ever trading their best player 11 games into the season when they have a good relationship and he didn't ask out).

Beat the Nets by 10? Not good enough, should have beat them by 20.
Point out that 2 of our 3 highest paid players led the way? But RJ!
Bring up that Barnes has been our best overall player? No!! He's not true #1, why haven't they traded him?

Not telling anyone how to be a fan (I hate when others do that), but I do genuinely wonder why some even follow this team. It's like they "hate watch" them.

At one point IQ was 16, 4 and 4, with no turnovers on like 6-12 from the field and the GT was acting like the guy was losing us the game. I'm sort of neutral on him, but that was a little wild to watch.

Further to that, while RJ missed some shots, you see him taking a very visible leadership role on the floor this year.

He taking time to talk to rookie CMB after defensive switches that fail, he's pulling in guys to huddle up at whistles to make sure they are all on the same page.

That stuff matters and is different this year than the past, he wasn't even horrendous with his shot selection in my opinion, people gotta find some joy when we aren't tanking yikes

[DreamTeam09]

I wonder how long it'll take for people to see how good Scottie actally is.

A True #1 doesn't have to be a lead scorer on nightly basis.

Yeah, they do.

Lowry is maybe the best example in Raptors history to ever be the best player on a team while not being a leading scorer. Guess what? He still needed a Kawhi.

I mean good thing we have someone going for 20ppg on 50% then huh

[raptorforlife88]

Twilight zone stuff. This is why ppl compare it to bargani. No other raptor in history gets this much goodwill while having not contributed to a single significant achievement to the franchise in 5 years. Only Bargs and Barnes.

I'm not even sure we can even call Barnes a good draft pick anymore. It's starting 6to look like he would come 6th or 7th in a redraft.

Even if you want to call him a glue guy like Draymond. He isn't good at alot of those intangibles. He doesn't set good screens. He's not a great rebounder. He's a good team defender....but not elite like Bam or draymond.

He's a good player....but end of day....these performances are approximately 50ish best player in the league caliber. That should be a huge disappointment given that we decided to rebuild the franchise around him.

And it's not even that once every 5 games he goes off and has a top 10 or top 15 performance. He's not even sniffing that level. Pascal always did.

He is not even coming close to the hype and the hopes. Let's not kid ourselves. Perhaps most foreboding...he seems content and happy with where he is at. There's no fire in him unless he gets the chance to do a look-back dunk. I don't think HE believes he is going to be a top 25 player or deserves to be so.

This reads like a post from last year where this may have made some sense, but it's pretty ridiculous for this year while Barnes is having a very very effective season so far.

Scottie is 12th in VORP and 15th in BPM this year. He's obviously been significantly more efficient, he's putting up even more steals+blocks than he has in the past. He's been a very good two way player. (There are better advanced stats to be looking at but I don't think they've updated yet for the new season).

Much like Lowry his impact isn't immediately apparent from raw box score stats but he's been solid (and also like Lowry he looks good when having a moderately efficient scorer play with him).

It's fine if you think those stats are overrating his impact right now, but even if you think he's not a top 15 player as those stats would indicate, it is very very dumb to think he's been around the 50th best player in the league. Honestly I'd love to see you post the 45ish player you think that have been better than him, especially comparing their statistical impact so far. I'm skeptical it would make any sense at all.

[NBA Sheady]

Quick has worked something out. Possibly some subtle habit that he and the coaching staff were trying to change but he's stuck with it and got through it.

This team really feels built around Scottie. He's got a legit #1 scoring option and he's been unleashed on the defensive end. His team D is unreal.

[MiamiSPX]

I find more and more this board succumbs to the No True Scotsman fallacy. Everything is measured against an idealized standard and anything else is 'mid' and 'mediocre'. We are not 'true contenders'. So-and-so is not a 'true #1 option'. And all of this is proclaimed with an aspect of definitive foresight where future outcomes and the ceiling of the players and the team are assured.

In this one, we beat the Nets by 10 points. We didn't trail since about the 9:30 mark in the second quarter. And yet to read the PG it's presented as if this was an L for the team. Truly bizarre.

Post of the year.

Because our goal is to compete this year, I think many inexplicably thought we would jump out to an 8-3 record and anything less is an abject failure. We look a million times better than we have the last 2 seasons and yet there are calls to trade Barnes asap (despite no team ever trading their best player 11 games into the season when they have a good relationship and he didn't ask out).

Beat the Nets by 10? Not good enough, should have beat them by 20.
Point out that 2 of our 3 highest paid players led the way? But RJ!
Bring up that Barnes has been our best overall player? No!! He's not true #1, why haven't they traded him?

Not telling anyone how to be a fan (I hate when others do that), but I do genuinely wonder why some even follow this team. It's like they "hate watch" them.

At one point IQ was 16, 4 and 4, with no turnovers on like 6-12 from the field and the GT was acting like the guy was losing us the game. I'm sort of neutral on him, but that was a little wild to watch.

It's all so nauseating. I have also become neutral on IQ, but he was incredible last night.

Just like the constant need some feel to remind us that Barnes is not a true #1 on a contender. Everyone f*****g knows this. There are literally 2 people on Earth who still think he can be that (his mother, and 1 poster here). In fact, I would say the majority know he likely wouldn't be a #2 on a title contender. That doesn't mean you just discard him. If that were the case, 22 teams would be trading their de facto best player every season.

You'd think we were 2-9 with some of the takes on here lately.

[Raptorfan2012]

I find more and more this board succumbs to the No True Scotsman fallacy. Everything is measured against an idealized standard and anything else is 'mid' and 'mediocre'. We are not 'true contenders'. So-and-so is not a 'true #1 option'. And all of this is proclaimed with an aspect of definitive foresight where future outcomes and the ceiling of the players and the team are assured.

In this one, we beat the Nets by 10 points. We didn't trail since about the 9:30 mark in the second quarter. And yet to read the PG it's presented as if this was an L for the team. Truly bizarre.

Agreed, and that is why this place is so depressing sometimes. I miss the days where we would have like a 100 pages Post-Game, especially after any win where we just celebrate and hype our players. Now its a ghost town with people complaining about everything.

[Mikistan]

I find more and more this board succumbs to the No True Scotsman fallacy. Everything is measured against an idealized standard and anything else is 'mid' and 'mediocre'. We are not 'true contenders'. So-and-so is not a 'true #1 option'. And all of this is proclaimed with an aspect of definitive foresight where future outcomes and the ceiling of the players and the team are assured.

In this one, we beat the Nets by 10 points. We didn't trail since about the 9:30 mark in the second quarter. And yet to read the PG it's presented as if this was an L for the team. Truly bizarre.

Agreed, and that is why this place is so depressing sometimes. I miss the days where we would have like a 100 pages Post-Game, especially after any win where we just celebrate and hype our players. Now its a ghost town with people complaining about everything.

Because that was low effort posting and spamming, Will died for our sins

[TheGeneral99]

Nice to know we have a competitive team again...even when the game was close at times I was never in doubt and it was obvious we were going to pull it out, which is what good teams do.

Felt like the old days when I just expected us to beat bottom feeders easily.

I thought Scottie was fantastic last night pushing the ball, getting teammates involved, even though he didn't score much.

[TheGeneral99]

Quick has worked something out. Possibly some subtle habit that he and the coaching staff were trying to change but he's stuck with it and got through it.

This team really feels built around Scottie. He's a got a legit #1 scoring option and he's been unleashed on the defensive end. His team D is unreal.

I think people forget the dude missed 50 games last year and it's just taking him some time to get back into rhythm.

We know the dude can shoot the ball...he didn't average 18ppg on 40% from 3 in 2023 out of the blue.

[Sandman88]

I’m not moved by this win. We’ll see how they play against a decent team.

[PushDaRock]

After the last 2 years of constant losing, you wouldn't think we would be so overcritical of a Win.

[bape_lovers]

How is he injury prone when we were clear as day that we were tanking as soon he got injured the first game of last season?

IQ haters are real quiet

Team best +20 as well (in a 10 point win)

Still here. Id hope he plays to that level, esp against the nets. I wouldn't call myself a hater though just annoyed at how he's turned out to be for us, his defense is terrible and he's soft and injury prone. If his shot isn't on then he doesn't provide much, really suited for a 6th man role that isn't running the team like a combo guard like Lou Williams and he's paid like a starter borderline star.

Listen, I'd love for the sake of our team that he turns it around and he's that guy we need but I'll continue to call him and others out when deserved.

[manjusaka]

I find more and more this board succumbs to the No True Scotsman fallacy. Everything is measured against an idealized standard and anything else is 'mid' and 'mediocre'. We are not 'true contenders'. So-and-so is not a 'true #1 option'. And all of this is proclaimed with an aspect of definitive foresight where future outcomes and the ceiling of the players and the team are assured.

In this one, we beat the Nets by 10 points. We didn't trail since about the 9:30 mark in the second quarter. And yet to read the PG it's presented as if this was an L for the team. Truly bizarre.

Post of the year.

Because our goal is to compete this year, I think many inexplicably thought we would jump out to an 8-3 record and anything less is an abject failure. We look a million times better than we have the last 2 seasons and yet there are calls to trade Barnes asap (despite no team ever trading their best player 11 games into the season when they have a good relationship and he didn't ask out).

Beat the Nets by 10? Not good enough, should have beat them by 20.
Point out that 2 of our 3 highest paid players led the way? But RJ!
Bring up that Barnes has been our best overall player? No!! He's not true #1, why haven't they traded him?

Not telling anyone how to be a fan (I hate when others do that), but I do genuinely wonder why some even follow this team. It's like they "hate watch" them.

Feels like a lot didn't actually watch the game and just checked the box score after.

There are many positive things in the game this year, like our half court offence is decent, the best since… maybe 19? This barely got mentioned. Our defence looks much better than beginning of the season, although it still needs some works.

Last year, don’t think there were many people think Pacers would be in the final.

We have to let them play and see how the season progresses.

[YogurtProducer]

I wonder how long it'll take for people to see how good Scottie actally is.

A True #1 doesn't have to be a lead scorer on nightly basis.

Yeah, they do.

Lowry is maybe the best example in Raptors history to ever be the best player on a team while not being a leading scorer. Guess what? He still needed a Kawhi.

I mean good thing we have someone going for 20ppg on 50% then huh

I mean... 20ppg is good for 36th in the league in scoring.

Lets not confuse this team for anything close to resembling a contender

[Duffman100]

Post of the year.

Because our goal is to compete this year, I think many inexplicably thought we would jump out to an 8-3 record and anything less is an abject failure. We look a million times better than we have the last 2 seasons and yet there are calls to trade Barnes asap (despite no team ever trading their best player 11 games into the season when they have a good relationship and he didn't ask out).

Beat the Nets by 10? Not good enough, should have beat them by 20.
Point out that 2 of our 3 highest paid players led the way? But RJ!
Bring up that Barnes has been our best overall player? No!! He's not true #1, why haven't they traded him?

Not telling anyone how to be a fan (I hate when others do that), but I do genuinely wonder why some even follow this team. It's like they "hate watch" them.

At one point IQ was 16, 4 and 4, with no turnovers on like 6-12 from the field and the GT was acting like the guy was losing us the game. I'm sort of neutral on him, but that was a little wild to watch.

Further to that, while RJ missed some shots, you see him taking a very visible leadership role on the floor this year.

He taking time to talk to rookie CMB after defensive switches that fail, he's pulling in guys to huddle up at whistles to make sure they are all on the same page.

That stuff matters and is different this year than the past, he wasn't even horrendous with his shot selection in my opinion, people gotta find some joy when we aren't tanking yikes

If we lose, you'll see 15-20 pages.