Sengun Clutch Dagger on Turner with Giannis Chasing Him The Entire Time

[_BALLDONTLIE]

Stephon Marbury had 0 fundamentals and was a league leader in assists. Using up the clock to get assists can actually sometimes end up negative. Also, passing instincts do not equate to fundamentals.

Fundamentals are things like:

Boxing out
Footwork
Defensive positioning
Off ball movement
Shooting technique
Passing ACCURACY (i.e. pass to the chest or bounce pass or overhead pass)
Hitting the open man (and these are often not assists)

To say he's good at FUNDAMENTALS because he hits the open man on drive and dish is not a strong argument dude.

How can you say Marbury had 0 fundamentals and then follow up with that list?

He had footwork, shooting technique (insane elevation and range on his shot too), passing accuracy and most of all top tier dribbling skills.

I think you are confusing his lack of effort on defense and shaky basketball IQ for not having fundamentals.

The thing that's actually remarkable about him having such high assist numbers is that he was so far from a pass-first PG and not a great playmaker unless it was a play for himself lol.

[UcanUwill]

Love the fact commentators referenced Greece vs Turkey game.

[Sane]

Stephon Marbury had 0 fundamentals and was a league leader in assists. Using up the clock to get assists can actually sometimes end up negative. Also, passing instincts do not equate to fundamentals.

Fundamentals are things like:

Boxing out
Footwork
Defensive positioning
Off ball movement
Shooting technique
Passing ACCURACY (i.e. pass to the chest or bounce pass or overhead pass)
Hitting the open man (and these are often not assists)

To say he's good at FUNDAMENTALS because he hits the open man on drive and dish is not a strong argument dude.

How can you say Marbury had 0 fundamentals and then follow up with that list?

He had footwork, shooting technique (insane elevation and range on his shot too), passing accuracy and most of all top tier dribbling skills.

I think you are confusing his lack of effort on defense and shaky basketball IQ for not having fundamentals.

The thing that's actually remarkable about him having such high assist numbers is that he was so far from a pass-first PG and not a great playmaker unless it was a play for himself lol.

No I think you just have a very unusual definition of fundamentals. Top tier dribbling skills are not fundamentals. Tim Duncan doesn't have top tier dribbling skills. Fundamentals are universal across all positions. The things I mentioned are for every position.

Stephen Marbury did not have any fundamentals except footwork. He shot 32% from 3 for his career, what shooting technique? Passing accuracy was ok nothing special. Dude just never worked on his game.

[Ayt]

I commented on this before, but Giannis' reputation as a defender is overstated. He's a great defender due to his athletic ability, but as a one-on-one type not so much.

He was obviously going for the steal because the Bucks were down three.

This thread is idiot bate.

[Ayt]

Watching Giannis guard on the perimeter is so frustrating. He's 7ft tall but tries to get into guys' chest like he's Pat Bev. Makes him so susceptible to blow-bys and pump fakes. He lacks discipline onball.

Well he's the one guy in the NBA who isn't there because of his fundamentals ....

Name some better players at 7+ feet with better body control and "fundamentals" when driving to the rim in the history of the sport.

It is literally just Giannis.

[GeorgeSears]

I commented on this before, but Giannis' reputation as a defender is overstated. He's a great defender due to his athletic ability, but as a one-on-one type not so much.

He was obviously going for the steal because the Bucks were down three.

This thread is idiot bate.

They were down three with 34 seconds left. He could've stayed in front of Sengun, maybe pressed a little to force the Rockets to rush their offense and get a bad shot with a chance to score with time left. He went for an ill-advised steal attempt, followed by another terrible attempt, that resulted in Sengun scoring and icing the game.

[mattg]

This thread is HILARIOUS and people are dramatically overthinking what happened. Giannis was just frustrated that he had a bad sequence of plays offensively and basically tricked off the game. Because of that he was playing overaggressive D trying to force a turnover, which was a stupid play at the time, but we see this NONSTOP when offensive players make a bad offensive play then commit an immediate frustration foul (think the open court reach at 90 feet from the hoop). He couldn't just commit the lazy frustration hack due to time/score so instead played overaggressive. Was a dumb play by Giannis, but there's nothing to even discuss with it.

[Mephariel]

Absolutely schooled Giannis

Giannis wasn't trying to guard him, he was gambling for a steal

This. Giannis thought he could easily get a steal and was wrong. He should have just played solid defense.

[sashaturiaf]

Watching Giannis guard on the perimeter is so frustrating. He's 7ft tall but tries to get into guys' chest like he's Pat Bev. Makes him so susceptible to blow-bys and pump fakes. He lacks discipline onball.

Well he's the one guy in the NBA who isn't there because of his fundamentals ....

Name some better players at 7+ feet with better body control and "fundamentals" when driving to the rim in the history of the sport.

It is literally just Giannis.

Having big muscles, giant steps and being allowed to carry the ball like Jerome Bettis isn't fundamentals

[Harry Palmer]

The absolute best part no one is talking about is how Sengun waived off a pick mid-way, like ‘nah, I got this’ and then proceeded to back it up. Going end to end is one thing, but doing it as the very last guy up the court in the face of full court pressure…

[California Gold]

Meh, I wasn't that impressed with it live. Good that he made the play in the end but if he gets the ball knocked out there for trying to do too much then you're possibly looking at OT.

What the heck? You can apply that logic to any clutch play ever made by a superstar. If they get the ball knocked out, then it's bad. That's not the deciding factor in whether a star should take over or not. Of course there's risk.

Not only did he do it, but he faked Giannis out once, got to the paint, and then returned back outside the 3PT line to beat Giannis twice in the same play. Couldn't have possibly proven more that it was the right play. As Bucks fans and Sengun know, Giannis is way overconfident in his ability to stay in front of his man on the perimeter. Sengun simply dwarfed him with his bball IQ.

Eh, not a typical play that Sengun makes on a nightly basis. It was a good play, but that's not typical of Sengun to go spin off of a guy on the 3pt line with the ball and drive to the hoop. Giannis being overzealous might have been what made that play what it is more than anything else.

I watch Sengun nightly, there are many other things that he does that are more him that impress me than this move.

[Sane]

Meh, I wasn't that impressed with it live. Good that he made the play in the end but if he gets the ball knocked out there for trying to do too much then you're possibly looking at OT.

What the heck? You can apply that logic to any clutch play ever made by a superstar. If they get the ball knocked out, then it's bad. That's not the deciding factor in whether a star should take over or not. Of course there's risk.

Not only did he do it, but he faked Giannis out once, got to the paint, and then returned back outside the 3PT line to beat Giannis twice in the same play. Couldn't have possibly proven more that it was the right play. As Bucks fans and Sengun know, Giannis is way overconfident in his ability to stay in front of his man on the perimeter. Sengun simply dwarfed him with his bball IQ.

Eh, not a typical play that Sengun makes on a nightly basis. It was a good play, but that's not typical of Sengun to go spin off of a guy on the 3pt line with the ball and drive to the hoop. Giannis being overzealous might have been what made that play what it is more than anything else.

I watch Sengun nightly, there are many other things that he does that are more him that impress me than this move.

That's irrelevant. Your point was that it was bad because he took a risk, but the whole reason he's clutch is because he took that risk. It doesn't matter if it's typical. In fact, Giannis was guessing he'd do the typical predictable thing you're recommending. Terrible idea.

And don't try to out-Sengun me. I've watched every single game and I'm part Turkish so when I say nightly I mean since he was a teenager in Turkey. Try again.

[DusterBuster]

I haven’t followed much about the Bucks, but Turners numbers look awful. How are Bucks fans feeling about the fit / signing right now?

[California Gold]

What the heck? You can apply that logic to any clutch play ever made by a superstar. If they get the ball knocked out, then it's bad. That's not the deciding factor in whether a star should take over or not. Of course there's risk.

Not only did he do it, but he faked Giannis out once, got to the paint, and then returned back outside the 3PT line to beat Giannis twice in the same play. Couldn't have possibly proven more that it was the right play. As Bucks fans and Sengun know, Giannis is way overconfident in his ability to stay in front of his man on the perimeter. Sengun simply dwarfed him with his bball IQ.

Eh, not a typical play that Sengun makes on a nightly basis. It was a good play, but that's not typical of Sengun to go spin off of a guy on the 3pt line with the ball and drive to the hoop. Giannis being overzealous might have been what made that play what it is more than anything else.

I watch Sengun nightly, there are many other things that he does that are more him that impress me than this move.

That's irrelevant. Your point was that it was bad because he took a risk, but the whole reason he's clutch is because he took that risk. It doesn't matter if it's typical. In fact, Giannis was guessing he'd do the typical predictable thing you're recommending. Terrible idea.

And don't try to out-Sengun me. I've watched every single game and I'm part Turkish so when I say nightly I mean since he was a teenager in Turkey. Try again.

That explains the sensitivity I sense in your post.

I'm sorry I can only watch him with objectivity even being a Rockets fan.

[GiannisAnte34]

I haven’t followed much about the Bucks, but Turners numbers look awful. How are Bucks fans feeling about the fit / signing right now?

Turner just hit 6x 3pt shots tonight to help keep the Bucks undefeated in Cup games

[DusterBuster]

I haven’t followed much about the Bucks, but Turners numbers look awful. How are Bucks fans feeling about the fit / signing right now?

Turner just hit 6x 3pt shots tonight to help keep the Bucks undefeated in Cup games

Ok? Soooo, what about my question?

[Sane]

Eh, not a typical play that Sengun makes on a nightly basis. It was a good play, but that's not typical of Sengun to go spin off of a guy on the 3pt line with the ball and drive to the hoop. Giannis being overzealous might have been what made that play what it is more than anything else.

I watch Sengun nightly, there are many other things that he does that are more him that impress me than this move.

That's irrelevant. Your point was that it was bad because he took a risk, but the whole reason he's clutch is because he took that risk. It doesn't matter if it's typical. In fact, Giannis was guessing he'd do the typical predictable thing you're recommending. Terrible idea.

And don't try to out-Sengun me. I've watched every single game and I'm part Turkish so when I say nightly I mean since he was a teenager in Turkey. Try again.

That explains the sensitivity I sense in your post.

I'm sorry I can only watch him with objectivity even being a Rockets fan.

That's a sorry excuse for not presenting an argument, should we applaud?

[California Gold]

That's irrelevant. Your point was that it was bad because he took a risk, but the whole reason he's clutch is because he took that risk. It doesn't matter if it's typical. In fact, Giannis was guessing he'd do the typical predictable thing you're recommending. Terrible idea.

And don't try to out-Sengun me. I've watched every single game and I'm part Turkish so when I say nightly I mean since he was a teenager in Turkey. Try again.

That explains the sensitivity I sense in your post.

I'm sorry I can only watch him with objectivity even being a Rockets fan.

That's a sorry excuse for not presenting an argument, should we applaud?

There is no argument, I said my opinion of what I thought. That isn't changing just because you have a bias. Get over it.

[Sane]

That explains the sensitivity I sense in your post.

I'm sorry I can only watch him with objectivity even being a Rockets fan.

That's a sorry excuse for not presenting an argument, should we applaud?

There is no argument, I said my opinion of what I thought. That isn't changing just because you have a bias. Get over it.

You came in like "YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW MUCH I'VE WATCHED"

and fizzled out with

"OH SINCE YOU WATCHED MORE THAN ME THEN YOU WATCH TOO MUCH"

Everyone is biased in some way, but you are the only one pulling things out of your ass. Thanks for proving my point with these statements.

[California Gold]

That's a sorry excuse for not presenting an argument, should we applaud?

There is no argument, I said my opinion of what I thought. That isn't changing just because you have a bias. Get over it.

You came in like "YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW MUCH I'VE WATCHED"

and fizzled out with

"OH SINCE YOU WATCHED MORE THAN ME THEN YOU WATCH TOO MUCH"

Everyone is biased in some way, but you are the only one pulling things out of your ass. Thanks for proving my point with these statements.

Don't know how you got that 2nd part but whatever floats you boat. Try not to be so sensitive next time about players representing your own country. People have objective opinions, learn to respect them instead of taking it as a negative slight kiddo.