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Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2

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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1301 » by Larry_Russell » Yesterday 3:57 pm

Simons, Hauser and Xavier Tillman

To Dallas

For

Gafford
Klay Thompson
Max Christie.

Lets the youth play lots and rest Klay, White and Brown a bunch.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1302 » by Celts17Pride » Yesterday 3:58 pm

I personally have no problem moving Sam Hauser. I think he is one dimensional and way overrated in this forum. That being said, I'm not moving Hauser unless it's part of a package including Simons and picks for a significant piece or pieces coming back to the Celtics. Be patient, it will come.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1303 » by Hal14 » Yesterday 5:05 pm

Fierce1 wrote:If we're going after a big man that will be a game changer, might as well go for AD.

Too expensive. Dude is making like $58mil a year, even though he's getting old and is injury prone.

No thanks.

Can't afford to add a player that expensive unless we're moving 1 of the Jays which of course isn't happening if all we're getting back is AD.

Brad is not Nico lol.

Tatum can play center:

https://thecenterhub.substack.com/p/starting-at-center-for-the-boston
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1304 » by Celticlifer » Yesterday 5:36 pm

Hauser as a starter that need to generate his own offense is not a good player, Hauser on a team with the J's to provide spacing is a valuable player. I don't much care how Hauser performs this year. Having said that, there are other ways to get spacing and if he would bring back an asset (decent big man) that would fit better next year, so be it. Has
Celts17Pride wrote:I personally have no problem moving Sam Hauser. I think he is one dimensional and way overrated in this forum. That being said, I'm not moving Hauser unless it's part of a package including Simons and picks for a significant piece or pieces coming back to the Celtics. Be patient, it will come.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1305 » by Celts17Pride » Yesterday 5:39 pm

Celticlifer wrote:Hauser as a starter that need to generate his own offense is not a good player, Hauser on a team with the J's to provide spacing is a valuable player. I don't much care how Hauser performs this year. Having said that, there are other ways to get spacing and if he would bring back an asset (decent big man) that would fit better next year, so be it. Has
Celts17Pride wrote:I personally have no problem moving Sam Hauser. I think he is one dimensional and way overrated in this forum. That being said, I'm not moving Hauser unless it's part of a package including Simons and picks for a significant piece or pieces coming back to the Celtics. Be patient, it will come.

Hauser had wide open looks last night and missed them. If Hauser is not hitting his shots he is useless.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1306 » by Hal14 » Yesterday 5:47 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
Celticlifer wrote:Hauser as a starter that need to generate his own offense is not a good player, Hauser on a team with the J's to provide spacing is a valuable player. I don't much care how Hauser performs this year. Having said that, there are other ways to get spacing and if he would bring back an asset (decent big man) that would fit better next year, so be it. Has
Celts17Pride wrote:I personally have no problem moving Sam Hauser. I think he is one dimensional and way overrated in this forum. That being said, I'm not moving Hauser unless it's part of a package including Simons and picks for a significant piece or pieces coming back to the Celtics. Be patient, it will come.

Hauser had wide open looks last night and missed them. If Hauser is not hitting his shots he is useless.

But we have 8 years worth of data that tells us Hauser is an elite shooter.

Literally 40% or higher from 3 for 8 years in a row (4 years of college + 4 years of NBA)..pretty sure he was 40% or higher every year in HS too.

Not to mention, Hauser is a capable defender. He's a high IQ player, fits well in the system, knows how to play, has gotten better at shooting off the dribble and driving closeouts, is a decent rebounder, good passer, keeps the offense flowing with connective passing and is always in the right spots on both ends of the floor.

Very reductive to just say he's useless of the shots don't go in..and also a bit silly to say about a guy with the track record shooting the ball that Hauser has.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1307 » by Celts17Pride » Yesterday 6:58 pm

Hal14 wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:
Celticlifer wrote:Hauser as a starter that need to generate his own offense is not a good player, Hauser on a team with the J's to provide spacing is a valuable player. I don't much care how Hauser performs this year. Having said that, there are other ways to get spacing and if he would bring back an asset (decent big man) that would fit better next year, so be it. Has

Hauser had wide open looks last night and missed them. If Hauser is not hitting his shots he is useless.

But we have 8 years worth of data that tells us Hauser is an elite shooter.

Literally 40% or higher from 3 for 8 years in a row (4 years of college + 4 years of NBA)..pretty sure he was 40% or higher every year in HS too.

Not to mention, Hauser is a capable defender. He's a high IQ player, fits well in the system, knows how to play, has gotten better at shooting off the dribble and driving closeouts, is a decent rebounder, good passer, keeps the offense flowing with connective passing and is always in the right spots on both ends of the floor.

Very reductive to just say he's useless of the shots don't go in..and also a bit silly to say about a guy with the track record shooting the ball that Hauser has.

All that being said, Hauser is useless unless his shot is falling.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1308 » by Curmudgeon » Yesterday 9:41 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:All that being said, Hauser is useless unless his shot is falling.


He's considerably less useless than Simons when Simons' shot isn't falling.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1309 » by Fierce1 » Yesterday 10:05 pm

Hal14 wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:If we're going after a big man that will be a game changer, might as well go for AD.

Too expensive. Dude is making like $58mil a year, even though he's getting old and is injury prone.

No thanks.

Can't afford to add a player that expensive unless we're moving 1 of the Jays which of course isn't happening if all we're getting back is AD.

Brad is not Nico lol.

Tatum can play center:

https://thecenterhub.substack.com/p/starting-at-center-for-the-boston

I hear you.

Just making a point that if we're going for a big man and pay a lot for it, might as well go for the real elite bigs.

The case with AD is unlikely as you said he's making 50m per year.

But the age is not a big issue as the Cs won a chip in 2008 when KG was 32 years old.

AD is injury prone though, so there's that.
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Post#1310 » by Curmudgeon » Yesterday 10:17 pm

There's also AD's Celtics-hating father.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1311 » by Fierce1 » Yesterday 10:21 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:There's also AD's Celtics-hating father.

That also. :lol:
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1312 » by Larry_Russell » Yesterday 10:33 pm

Hal14 wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:If we're going after a big man that will be a game changer, might as well go for AD.

Too expensive. Dude is making like $58mil a year, even though he's getting old and is injury prone.

No thanks.

Can't afford to add a player that expensive unless we're moving 1 of the Jays which of course isn't happening if all we're getting back is AD.

Brad is not Nico lol.

Tatum can play center:

https://thecenterhub.substack.com/p/starting-at-center-for-the-boston


No matter how many times you link to your own idea its still a dumb one.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1313 » by brackdan70 » Yesterday 11:23 pm

Larry_Russell wrote:
Hal14 wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:If we're going after a big man that will be a game changer, might as well go for AD.

Too expensive. Dude is making like $58mil a year, even though he's getting old and is injury prone.

No thanks.

Can't afford to add a player that expensive unless we're moving 1 of the Jays which of course isn't happening if all we're getting back is AD.

Brad is not Nico lol.

Tatum can play center:

https://thecenterhub.substack.com/p/starting-at-center-for-the-boston


No matter how many times you link to your own idea its still a dumb one.

Just because you disagree doesn’t make it dumb.
I’d personally rather have Tatum not playing center, but he could do it. And really it’s not a question of playing center, It’s defending bigs, because on offense he is clearly not a typical center.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1314 » by Fierce1 » Today 12:05 am

Mavs expected to collaborate with Anthony Davis' camp to determine whether to pursue trade

It's believed the Mavericks will work with Davis' camp over the next two-plus months as they decide whether to pursue an in-season trade. Davis' agent Rich Paul and Mavericks owner Patrick Dumont have established a relationship that features regular contact since they were introduced at the Mavericks' Play-In Tournament victory in Sacramento in April. The parties are thus expected to work in concert to some degree on next steps.

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Post#1315 » by Celts17Pride » Today 12:16 am

Don’t want anything to do with AD. AD is unreliable, uninterested and broken down. No thank you!

Funny how quickly AD went from a centerpiece to trade for a generational piece (Luka) to we got to move this guy.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1316 » by Larry_Russell » Today 1:09 am

brackdan70 wrote:
Larry_Russell wrote:
Hal14 wrote:Too expensive. Dude is making like $58mil a year, even though he's getting old and is injury prone.

No thanks.

Can't afford to add a player that expensive unless we're moving 1 of the Jays which of course isn't happening if all we're getting back is AD.

Brad is not Nico lol.

Tatum can play center:

https://thecenterhub.substack.com/p/starting-at-center-for-the-boston


No matter how many times you link to your own idea its still a dumb one.

Just because you disagree doesn’t make it dumb.
I’d personally rather have Tatum not playing center, but he could do it. And really it’s not a question of playing center, It’s defending bigs, because on offense he is clearly not a typical center.



no, its dumb.

Pritchard could play center as well, still dumb.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1317 » by Hal14 » Today 1:44 am

Larry_Russell wrote:
brackdan70 wrote:
Larry_Russell wrote:
No matter how many times you link to your own idea its still a dumb one.

Just because you disagree doesn’t make it dumb.
I’d personally rather have Tatum not playing center, but he could do it. And really it’s not a question of playing center, It’s defending bigs, because on offense he is clearly not a typical center.



no, its dumb.

Pritchard could play center as well, still dumb.

Nothing worse than posts that say "that's dumb" yet give zero explanation as to why.

Even worse when the thing they claim is dumb is an article that was very well thought out, articulate, in depth, nuanced and backed by data, historical examples and lots of game film :nonono:

And no, Payton Pritchard playing center is not the same as jayson Tatum playing center. That's an incredibly weak argument.
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Post#1318 » by keevsnick1 » Today 7:08 am

Hal14 wrote:
Larry_Russell wrote:
brackdan70 wrote:Just because you disagree doesn’t make it dumb.
I’d personally rather have Tatum not playing center, but he could do it. And really it’s not a question of playing center, It’s defending bigs, because on offense he is clearly not a typical center.



no, its dumb.

Pritchard could play center as well, still dumb.

Nothing worse than posts that say "that's dumb" yet give zero explanation as to why.

Even worse when the thing they claim is dumb is an article that was very well thought out, articulate, in depth, nuanced and backed by data, historical examples and lots of game film :nonono:

And no, Payton Pritchard playing center is not the same as jayson Tatum playing center. That's an incredibly weak argument.


I don't think it's a crazy idea, but I think it's very unlikely Tatum is going to be playing Center for the Celtics to any significant degree.

First of all, he's just not big enough. He was listed as 6'8, with a 6'11 wingspan and an 8'11 wingspan before the draft. He's grown a bit, especially height wise, but you still want a standing reach closer to 9'2+ and a wingspan of more like 7'2+ for a center.

This deficiency will show up most in paint protection. Tatum is a good secondary rim protector at forward, but ideally your center will either A) Deter shots at the rim from occurring or B) Lower opponents' accuracy at the rim. Tatum doesn't really do either. Looking at cleaning the glass opponents took a higher % of their shots at the rim (+2.6%), and made a higher percentage of those shots (+1.2%), when Tatum was on the floor then off last season. Same for the season before that. His overall block% is fine for a wing, hovering around .7%-.8%, but its not center level. Now of course part of that is just that you have different responsibilities playing wing vs if he were playing center, but still he's not a shot deterrent.

Compare this to a couple other rim protectors. Numbers are on/off for 24-25 season.
With Zubaac on rim attempts declined by -4.7% (elite), opponents shot 2.0% better on those shots.
With Turner on rim attempts declined by 0.5%, opponents shot 4.5% worse on those shots.
With Mobley on rim attempts declined by 3.3%, opponents shot 2.5% worse on those shots.
With Kornet on rim attempts declined by 2.2%, opponents shot 5.2% worse on those attempts.
With Kessler on rim attempts declined by 3.3%, opponents shot 1.4% worse on those attempts.
With Gobert on rim attempts declined by 5.9% (elite), opponents shot 2.4% worse on those attempts.

Or lastly for this year so far: With Queta on rim attempts decline by 5.7%, opponents shoot 6.5% worse on those attempts.

Tatum is a great player, but he's not a center. There's a reason centers are Queta's size, he's 6'11.5 with a 9'5 standing reach and a 7'4 wingspan. that size supercharges rim protection.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1319 » by redslastlaugh » Today 7:18 am

Total pass on AD.

Even if he wasn't Klutch Agency, hadn't trashed the Celtics in the past, & we had cap space to combine a $55 million contract with the Jays ... I still wouldnt want him.

He's old, broke down, and declining fast. And really, other than the bubble resort, he's been a playoff underperfomer relative to his talent when you look back on it. Absolute pass

Celts17Pride wrote:Don’t want anything to do with AD. AD is unreliable, uninterested and broken down. No thank you!

Funny how quickly AD went from a centerpiece to trade for a generational piece (Luka) to we got to move this guy.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1320 » by Larry_Russell » Today 10:59 am

Hal14 wrote:
Larry_Russell wrote:
brackdan70 wrote:Just because you disagree doesn’t make it dumb.
I’d personally rather have Tatum not playing center, but he could do it. And really it’s not a question of playing center, It’s defending bigs, because on offense he is clearly not a typical center.



no, its dumb.

Pritchard could play center as well, still dumb.

Nothing worse than posts that say "that's dumb" yet give zero explanation as to why.

Even worse when the thing they claim is dumb is an article that was very well thought out, articulate, in depth, nuanced and backed by data, historical examples and lots of game film :nonono:

And no, Payton Pritchard playing center is not the same as jayson Tatum playing center. That's an incredibly weak argument.



Telling someone that taking a bath with a toaster is dumb does not need any more said than that.

The notion is dumb.

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