Replace Shai with Luka on the Thunder. What happens?

[Andri]

where's the option NOT A PLAYOFF TEAM and MUCH WORSE

Everything right boy? All that hating towards Luka and Jokic...

[GeorgeMarcus]

I take SGA over Luka in a vacuum, and he has already demonstrated perfect chemistry with his teammates so it's a no brainer for me who I'd go with

[CobraCommander]

Offense: Luka >> Shai
Defense: Luka <= Shai
Passing / Rebounding etc.: Luka >>> Shai

OKC would be a dynasty with Luka.

I disagree with a lot in your post but I simply con't accept the fact that you put a <= on defense. In what world could they ever be seen as defensive equals

They are so equal that one is the fmvp,mvp, scoring champ all in the same year and the other guy is none of those things - But they equal lol

How bout

sga > luka … work ethic

Sga > luka … leadership

Sga > Luka … chemistry with teamates
and owners and refs

Sga < Luka … fans

What does sga have to do to be considered better than Luka if a fmvp mvp and scoring title doesn’t do it for you guys lol

[greekman]

If you’re quoting the fake SGA blow by numbers you’re not winning the debate.

The Mavs beat OKC in spite of Luka’s mediocre play. The Thunder lost to the Mavs in spite of Shai’s better play.

mavs never won anything despite being loaded on offense with irving and washington's insane games off the bench.

[Archx]

So Luka would make okc better when just last year he got traded for being fat and people were wondering if he had the work ethic to lead the lakers.::

No one ever wondered about sga..: and he has a ring, fmvp, mvp and super max..

There is a lot of inside stuff coming out on Nico and what was going on in that front office and how things were being done. So, if you didn't read any of it, it's hard to discuss with non Mavs fans. I'm just going to leave it that. You can interpret yourself why he was traded because i know you already made up your mind.

But i will say this, last year is completely irrelevant because of so many different factors but it is clear pre-trade Dallas team was a deep team and a healthy squad could compete with OKC like they did a year before when they defeated them.

That’s fair but the fact is Luka was traded, his best team lost in the finals, and Luka doesn’t have a mvp or
Finals mvp and Luka made a big deal out of getting in shape over the off season because he was clearly OUT of shape last year and - sga hasn’t been traded, is on a Supermax
Deal, he has a ring, fmvp,
Scoring title and mvp in the year Luka was traded and
Bounced in first round.:..::: and somehow people still think Luka is the superior player: sga again out played Luka tonight - head to head - Luka shot 20 times and got 19 points in a blow out - sga blew out Luka with 30
Points on 18’shots…. There is a reason okc is the champ and sga the mvp:.. it’s weird that in spite of facts Luka fans think sga is the inferior player

So I guess when Luka does what sga did last year sga fans gonna have a good reason to say sga is still better than Luka

If you completely disregard OKC's strength as a team, then sure i agree. But we have already seen what happened in Dallas when he finally got a resemblance of a team. This OKC will be insanely hard to beat because they basically have no weakness. They are all around strong, any player would dream of being in their situation.

[greekman]

where's the option NOT A PLAYOFF TEAM and MUCH WORSE

Everything right boy? All that hating towards Luka and Jokic...

it's true. jokic <<<< sga. since the mavs days jokic has diminished and sga has grown leaps and bounds as a player. doncic is even more overrated than jokic which is really something.

[Andri]

where's the option NOT A PLAYOFF TEAM and MUCH WORSE

Everything right boy? All that hating towards Luka and Jokic...

it's true. jokic <<<< sga. since the mavs days jokic has diminished and sga has grown leaps and bounds as a player. doncic is even more overrated than jokic which is really something.

Insightful

[Andri]

I think we’re done here.

Were we on April 6th?

[GeorgeMarcus]

OKC would be unfair. Killing everything for the next 4 years.

There is a sizeable gap between the best versions of Doncic and Gilgeous-Alexander. If both are at their peak Doncic is way better.

This ain't it chief

[Archx]

If you’re quoting the fake SGA blow by numbers you’re not winning the debate.

The Mavs beat OKC in spite of Luka’s mediocre play. The Thunder lost to the Mavs in spite of Shai’s better play.

mavs never won anything despite being loaded on offense with irving and washington's insane games off the bench.

Whoa Jokic and Luka trolls out in full force today

Funny thing is, you have no clue what you're even talking about. PJ was not even a bench player and Nico went after Klay because Mavs were actually lacking on offense in the finals and even in prior matchups. That specific Dallas team played amazing defense and won more games with defense than offense.

[CobraCommander]

There is a lot of inside stuff coming out on Nico and what was going on in that front office and how things were being done. So, if you didn't read any of it, it's hard to discuss with non Mavs fans. I'm just going to leave it that. You can interpret yourself why he was traded because i know you already made up your mind.

But i will say this, last year is completely irrelevant because of so many different factors but it is clear pre-trade Dallas team was a deep team and a healthy squad could compete with OKC like they did a year before when they defeated them.

That’s fair but the fact is Luka was traded, his best team lost in the finals, and Luka doesn’t have a mvp or
Finals mvp and Luka made a big deal out of getting in shape over the off season because he was clearly OUT of shape last year and - sga hasn’t been traded, is on a Supermax
Deal, he has a ring, fmvp,
Scoring title and mvp in the year Luka was traded and
Bounced in first round.:..::: and somehow people still think Luka is the superior player: sga again out played Luka tonight - head to head - Luka shot 20 times and got 19 points in a blow out - sga blew out Luka with 30
Points on 18’shots…. There is a reason okc is the champ and sga the mvp:.. it’s weird that in spite of facts Luka fans think sga is the inferior player

So I guess when Luka does what sga did last year sga fans gonna have a good reason to say sga is still better than Luka

If you completely disregard OKC's strength as a team, then sure i agree. But we have already seen what happened in Dallas when he finally got a resemblance of a team. This OKC will be insanely hard to beat because they basically have no weakness. They are all around strong, any player would dream of being in their situation.

Here is the point you are not getting my friend- sga is one of if not the main reason they are that good.

Sga comes to work every day and plays ball the right way, hangs out with his teammates and makes them feel like they are part of something great.:: his mvp speech and the fact that his teammates are his biggest fans show u sga is a different type of humble leader. He isn’t Kobe- cursing out his teammates - he called out Jdub for a
Bad series in playoffs by saying he WILL play bettter…
Think about that - Luka has cursed his own bench out lol -

You think that leadership and composure and work ethic doesn’t matter when all things are equal talent wise?

Sga and Luka are equal players -

but one is a better leader - on and off the court

The fact that everyone yells about the intangibles and composure and leadership but they don’t give credit to sga for being much much much better than Luka in those three hyper important areas is telling

[CobraCommander]

I think we’re done here.

Were we on April 6th?

Huh?

We are done cause sga just crushed luka head to head - lakers a good team with championship aspirations 8-3 coming into tonight and took their biggest L of the year

Sga out played Luka - and people cooping hard

[greekman]

the ppl hyping up luka probably the same ones who called AD a top 10 all time center 5 years ago

[Andri]

I think we’re done here.

Were we on April 6th?

Huh?

We are done cause sga just crushed luka head to head - lakers a good team with championship aspirations 8-3 coming into tonight and took their biggest L of the year

Sga out played Luka - and people cooping hard

Look the games played that day up

[Archx]

That’s fair but the fact is Luka was traded, his best team lost in the finals, and Luka doesn’t have a mvp or
Finals mvp and Luka made a big deal out of getting in shape over the off season because he was clearly OUT of shape last year and - sga hasn’t been traded, is on a Supermax
Deal, he has a ring, fmvp,
Scoring title and mvp in the year Luka was traded and
Bounced in first round.:..::: and somehow people still think Luka is the superior player: sga again out played Luka tonight - head to head - Luka shot 20 times and got 19 points in a blow out - sga blew out Luka with 30
Points on 18’shots…. There is a reason okc is the champ and sga the mvp:.. it’s weird that in spite of facts Luka fans think sga is the inferior player

So I guess when Luka does what sga did last year sga fans gonna have a good reason to say sga is still better than Luka

If you completely disregard OKC's strength as a team, then sure i agree. But we have already seen what happened in Dallas when he finally got a resemblance of a team. This OKC will be insanely hard to beat because they basically have no weakness. They are all around strong, any player would dream of being in their situation.

Here is the point you are not getting my friend- sga is one of if not the main reason they are that good.

Sga comes to work every day and plays ball the right way, hangs out with his teammates and makes them feel like they are part of something great.:: his mvp speech and the fact that his teammates are his biggest fans show u sga is a different type of humble leader. He isn’t Kobe- cursing out his teammates - he called out Jdub for a
Bad series in playoffs by saying he WILL play bettter…
Think about that - Luka has cursed his own bench out lol -

You think that leadership and composure and work ethic doesn’t matter when all things are equal talent wise?

Sga and Luka are equal players -

but one is a better leader - on and off the court

The fact that everyone yells about the intangibles and composure and leadership but they don’t give credit to sga for being much much much better than Luka in those three hyper important areas is telling

I repeatedly said i have no problems with anyone who thinks SGA is a better player because i frankly don't even care. I watched those **** Mavs teams and it took insane effort to get them to where they were in the past.

And it's hilarious that people defending SGA don't even realize they are using the SAME argument to bring other player down. And you are victim of that yourself.
In your previous posts you said how Luka is a bad teammate and doesn't bring the best out of them and you used the same argument in favor of SGA. But when someone brings up how far Mavs teams got with worse players, then you suddenly retreat to saying "Yeah but he had this guy to help him out or this guy to help him out"... Now you're actually using this argument to prop SGA up by saying it doesn't matter how good the team is because SGA brings out the best of them. You see how nonsensical that sounds?

It's the same with people who say SGA>Jokic, it's the nonsense arguments that come with justifying SGA over anyone, those things sometimes i feel need a counter argument.

Also, with national team or any club he was with, Doncic never ever blamed anyone but himself in post interviews and acknowledged he has to do better, so i'm not sure where you're getting this info from. He's extremely passionate about winning like Jokic, it's the culture. Balkan people express themselves differently. It's again one of those things if you're not from this area, it's hard to explain.

[CobraCommander]

Were we on April 6th?

Huh?

We are done cause sga just crushed luka head to head - lakers a good team with championship aspirations 8-3 coming into tonight and took their biggest L of the year

Sga out played Luka - and people cooping hard

Look the games played that day up

Sga was better in every advanced stat measured - and with more wins and more games played - and no one on okc has been the force AR has been this year - up until this game AR was avg 31 7 and 5

[MaliBrah]

Luka being better on offence is becoming pretty outdated. He can't create an advantage without a ball screen

[Andri]

Huh?

We are done cause sga just crushed luka head to head - lakers a good team with championship aspirations 8-3 coming into tonight and took their biggest L of the year

Sga out played Luka - and people cooping hard

Look the games played that day up

Sga was better in every advanced stat measured - and with more wins and more games played - and no one on okc has been the force AR has been this year - up until this game AR was avg 31 7 and 5

You can also try to understand what they tell you

[PushDaRock]

You just casually miss a lot of info when you say this. OKC played without many important pieces, mainly centers and they were destroyed under rim. And those were just regular season games not even playoffs. OKC would demolish Mavs in playoffs without Luka's playmaking, he literally picked them apart, you even have it on Youtube with analysis.

But OKC are a much better regular season team than playoff team, that's why they struggled with Indiana (who are not a great team) despite Haliburton's injury. And MVP SGA finished the Finals with 8 turnovers in Game 6 and 8-27 in Game 7.

It was their first deep run. I would expect SGA to be better for these next ones. He's already talked about not being satisfied with the way they won this last one.

[TravisScott55]

They get substantially worse