Official Trade Thread Part XLVII

[prime1time]

How about this one....hear me out fellas:

Wizards receive: Anthony Davis
Mavericks receive: Middleton, Kispert, and Branham

Why for Wizards? AD plays the center spot, it moves Sarr to the more natural 4 spot. Starting 5 would be McCollum, Johnson, Bilal, Sarr, and Davis.
Why for Mavericks? Cap room, and it gets them out of the decision on whether to extend Davis.

Davis is due for a massive extension. My plan here would be to essentially sit him out on back to backs the rest of this season and just have him play in 20 games or so in order for us to continue tanking.

There is no chance Dallas gives away Anthony Davis merely for Kispert and expiring contracts. If they would do so, of course we jump on it, but then we should flip Davis to a team that is in a win-now window.

But if that was the cost for Davis, Chicago would easily offer the same package of expirings (Vucevic, Collins, Huerter) and throw in some picks.

I don't know. How much value does AD actually have? Luxury tax is very harsh, he can't stay healthy and he's due a super max extension. They aren't going to back any near what they would want. AD's value is as a free agent when you can sign him to a reasonable contract. No one is giving up major assets and then extending him at a super max lol.

[nate33]

How about this one....hear me out fellas:

Wizards receive: Anthony Davis
Mavericks receive: Middleton, Kispert, and Branham

Why for Wizards? AD plays the center spot, it moves Sarr to the more natural 4 spot. Starting 5 would be McCollum, Johnson, Bilal, Sarr, and Davis.
Why for Mavericks? Cap room, and it gets them out of the decision on whether to extend Davis.

Davis is due for a massive extension. My plan here would be to essentially sit him out on back to backs the rest of this season and just have him play in 20 games or so in order for us to continue tanking.

There is no chance Dallas gives away Anthony Davis merely for Kispert and expiring contracts. If they would do so, of course we jump on it, but then we should flip Davis to a team that is in a win-now window.

But if that was the cost for Davis, Chicago would easily offer the same package of expirings (Vucevic, Collins, Huerter) and throw in some picks.

I don't know. How much value does AD actually have? Luxury tax is very harsh, he can't stay healthy and he's due a super max extension. They aren't going to back any near what they would want. AD's value is as a free agent when you can sign him to a reasonable contract. No one is giving up major assets and then extending him at a super max lol.

He is under contract next year.

And the year after that is a player option that pays him $63M. It is not a foregone conclusion that he would opt out of that. I don't think any suitors will be lining up to give him a large extension at anything near that price. That would give his team leverage to negotiate a reasonable extension.

I don't think his contract situation is some kind of unique risk for an acquiring team. It's about par for the course. You get one full year under contract and leverage for a future negotiation.

I agree that Davis' value isn't the same as a superstar in his prime or anything. But it's nowhere near as low as being just a salary dump guy. He is still a top 15-ish player when on the court. And he shows up for the playoffs.

[nate33]

One more issue with Dallas on the Davis trade ideas.

They have their 2026 1st rounder
They only have their 2027 pick if it's top 2, otherwise, it conveys to Charlotte
Their 2028 pick is swapped by OKC, so it's a late pick
Their 2029 pick is swapped to HOU, so it's a late pick
Their 2030 pick is swapped to SAS, so it's a late pick

So they are not interested in a long rebuild. They would want to tank this year, but then start winning immediately afterward. I suppose that's not too hard with guys like Flagg, Lively, Gafford, Washington and Kyrie already on board. They key is getting Kyrie back (or trading him for a good young guard).

[prime1time]

There is no chance Dallas gives away Anthony Davis merely for Kispert and expiring contracts. If they would do so, of course we jump on it, but then we should flip Davis to a team that is in a win-now window.

But if that was the cost for Davis, Chicago would easily offer the same package of expirings (Vucevic, Collins, Huerter) and throw in some picks.

I don't know. How much value does AD actually have? Luxury tax is very harsh, he can't stay healthy and he's due a super max extension. They aren't going to back any near what they would want. AD's value is as a free agent when you can sign him to a reasonable contract. No one is giving up major assets and then extending him at a super max lol.

He is under contract next year.

And the year after that is a player option that pays him $63M. It is not a foregone conclusion that he would opt out of that. I don't think any suitors will be lining up to give him a large extension at anything near that price. That would give his team leverage to negotiate a reasonable extension.

I don't think his contract situation is some kind of unique risk for an acquiring team. It's about par for the course. You get one full year under contract and leverage for a future negotiation.

I agree that Davis' value isn't the same as a superstar in his prime or anything. But it's nowhere near as low as being just a salary dump guy. He is still a top 15-ish player when on the court. And he shows up for the playoffs.

63 million is a crazy amount of money to pay AD. Can't be a lot of teams that are willing to give up what Dallas might want. Have the cap space to pay AD and go deep into the luxury tax. And still be able to reasonably compete.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

If any contenders are in need of adding some offensive punch to their bench, we have some good candidates for trades with CJ, Kispert and Cam.

Dawkins has shown a knack for pulling 1st round picks in trade, the Gafford trade, and the Bagley/Johnny Davis for Smart + 1st deal as a couple examples.

[Silvie Lysandra]

I don't know. How much value does AD actually have? Luxury tax is very harsh, he can't stay healthy and he's due a super max extension. They aren't going to back any near what they would want. AD's value is as a free agent when you can sign him to a reasonable contract. No one is giving up major assets and then extending him at a super max lol.

He is under contract next year.

And the year after that is a player option that pays him $63M. It is not a foregone conclusion that he would opt out of that. I don't think any suitors will be lining up to give him a large extension at anything near that price. That would give his team leverage to negotiate a reasonable extension.

I don't think his contract situation is some kind of unique risk for an acquiring team. It's about par for the course. You get one full year under contract and leverage for a future negotiation.

I agree that Davis' value isn't the same as a superstar in his prime or anything. But it's nowhere near as low as being just a salary dump guy. He is still a top 15-ish player when on the court. And he shows up for the playoffs.

63 million is a crazy amount of money to pay AD. Can't be a lot of teams that are willing to give up what Dallas might want. Have the cap space to pay AD and go deep into the luxury tax. And still be able to reasonably compete.

I'd definitely think about adding value to bring in AD especially if we land #1. How much? Good question.

Bilal + Bub + top 12 protected 2028 + Middleton + Kispert Not a huge amount of value, but enough to make a reset more palatable.

For us, it ends the tank with a bang, especially if Davis can play more than 55~ reg season games. Incredible running mate and mentor to Sarr, still switchable playing 5 as well. Davis + Y3 Sarr + Y3 George + Y2 Tre + Peterson feels like a play-in team. Esp with continued improvement from Vuk, Champagnie still being solid, more growth from Riley, etc. By the time Davis well and truly falls off, the rest of the players will be ready and have playof experience (and I wouldn't be surprised if he remains very effective playing 20-25 mpg on a per minute basis)

I doubt Dallas does it because of their pick situation, especially if Flagg becomes a star sooner than later.

[nate33]

I'd definitely think about adding value to bring in AD especially if we land #1. How much? Good question.

Bilal + Bub + top 12 protected 2028 + Middleton + Kispert Not a huge amount of value, but enough to make a reset more palatable.

For us, it ends the tank with a bang, especially if Davis can play more than 55~ reg season games. Incredible running mate and mentor to Sarr, still switchable playing 5 as well. Davis + Y3 Sarr + Y3 George + Y2 Tre + Peterson feels like a play-in team. Esp with continued improvement from Vuk, Champagnie still being solid, more growth from Riley, etc. By the time Davis well and truly falls off, the rest of the players will be ready and have playof experience (and I wouldn't be surprised if he remains very effective playing 20-25 mpg on a per minute basis)

I doubt Dallas does it because of their pick situation, especially if Flagg becomes a star sooner than later.

It's an interesting idea going after Davis in the offseason AFTER we have tanked our way into a high pick. We would have a boatload of cap room and could just take his salary off of Dallas' hands if Dallas wanted to rebuild around younger guys. But I still think you are giving up too much here. I'd trade Kispert, sure. And a heavily protected future FRP is okay. But I still think Bilal is way too talented to be giving away like that.

My main concern is Davis' attitude. He seems like a pretty ornery guy who only wants to play on a contender and only wants to play PF when everyone knows his best position is center. I don't think he would react well to playing here. He has already gained some weight and lost some conditioning after joining Dallas. It might get worse in DC.

I'd rather pursue other options for a second center to accompany Sarr. We could throw Duren a max offer. Detroit will likely match but I'd at least try. We could also pursue Kessler with a front-loaded deal and hope Utah would rather tank than match. And if both of the RFA gambits fail, I still really like Mitchell Robinson who is an unrestricted free agent. That guy is a monster when healthy, and he has really embraced his role as a low-minute high-energy guy in NY. NY is in cap hell and likely won't be able to keep him. He'd be perfect to play the 16 minutes a game at center when Sarr sits, and then be paired with Sarr for another 5-10 minutes a game for a jumbo lineup.

[payitforward]

Agree that Robinson would be a great target -- especially if we start trying to win in earnest next year.

Keep in mind that Robinson is actually a big help on offense as well. This year, for example, he only attempts a few shots -- but most of them go in! Plus -- & this is huge -- he is getting almost 13 offensive rebounds per 40 minutes! That erases a lot of missed shots by teammates!

[Silvie Lysandra]

I'd definitely think about adding value to bring in AD especially if we land #1. How much? Good question.

Bilal + Bub + top 12 protected 2028 + Middleton + Kispert Not a huge amount of value, but enough to make a reset more palatable.

For us, it ends the tank with a bang, especially if Davis can play more than 55~ reg season games. Incredible running mate and mentor to Sarr, still switchable playing 5 as well. Davis + Y3 Sarr + Y3 George + Y2 Tre + Peterson feels like a play-in team. Esp with continued improvement from Vuk, Champagnie still being solid, more growth from Riley, etc. By the time Davis well and truly falls off, the rest of the players will be ready and have playof experience (and I wouldn't be surprised if he remains very effective playing 20-25 mpg on a per minute basis)

I doubt Dallas does it because of their pick situation, especially if Flagg becomes a star sooner than later.

It's an interesting idea going after Davis in the offseason AFTER we have tanked our way into a high pick. We would have a boatload of cap room and could just take his salary off of Dallas' hands if Dallas wanted to rebuild around younger guys. But I still think you are giving up too much here. I'd trade Kispert, sure. And a heavily protected future FRP is okay. But I still think Bilal is way too talented to be giving away like that.

My main concern is Davis' attitude. He seems like a pretty ornery guy who only wants to play on a contender and only wants to play PF when everyone knows his best position is center. I don't think he would react well to playing here. He has already gained some weight and lost some conditioning after joining Dallas. It might get worse in DC.

I'd rather pursue other options for a second center to accompany Sarr. We could throw Duren a max offer. Detroit will likely match but I'd at least try. We could also pursue Kessler with a front-loaded deal and hope Utah would rather tank than match. And if both of the RFA gambits fail, I still really like Mitchell Robinson who is an unrestricted free agent. That guy is a monster when healthy, and he has really embraced his role as a low-minute high-energy guy in NY. NY is in cap hell and likely won't be able to keep him. He'd be perfect to play the 16 minutes a game at center when Sarr sits, and then be paired with Sarr for another 5-10 minutes a game for a jumbo lineup.

So the thing is, because of their pick situation, they have a lot of incentive to try and see if they can win games, thus, not trading Davis. Trading a mid round pick and Bilal for Davis smooths that situation out. More to the point - barring a big developmental leap, I could easily see him being the odd man out behind Johnson, Champagnie, George, and to a lesser extent Riley, not to mention whoever we bring in in the lottery (and if it's #2, we're suddenly in a rough spot where Dybantsa is clearly the pick, but there just aren't enough wing minutes.)

Now I do worry about Davis's conditioning and attitude, but I'm also okay with him playing 26-28 mpg and 55-60 games a year. And he's still very very good at PF, and in many ways, Sarr and Davis would be somewhat interchangable. And there are definitely examples of older bigs who aged gracefully on young teams growing into contention.

Fundamentally, I think it's important that after this season, we move into the "contention" stage, and Davis fixes a ton of problems that allow us to do just that.

[nate33]

I'd definitely think about adding value to bring in AD especially if we land #1. How much? Good question.

Bilal + Bub + top 12 protected 2028 + Middleton + Kispert Not a huge amount of value, but enough to make a reset more palatable.

For us, it ends the tank with a bang, especially if Davis can play more than 55~ reg season games. Incredible running mate and mentor to Sarr, still switchable playing 5 as well. Davis + Y3 Sarr + Y3 George + Y2 Tre + Peterson feels like a play-in team. Esp with continued improvement from Vuk, Champagnie still being solid, more growth from Riley, etc. By the time Davis well and truly falls off, the rest of the players will be ready and have playof experience (and I wouldn't be surprised if he remains very effective playing 20-25 mpg on a per minute basis)

I doubt Dallas does it because of their pick situation, especially if Flagg becomes a star sooner than later.

It's an interesting idea going after Davis in the offseason AFTER we have tanked our way into a high pick. We would have a boatload of cap room and could just take his salary off of Dallas' hands if Dallas wanted to rebuild around younger guys. But I still think you are giving up too much here. I'd trade Kispert, sure. And a heavily protected future FRP is okay. But I still think Bilal is way too talented to be giving away like that.

My main concern is Davis' attitude. He seems like a pretty ornery guy who only wants to play on a contender and only wants to play PF when everyone knows his best position is center. I don't think he would react well to playing here. He has already gained some weight and lost some conditioning after joining Dallas. It might get worse in DC.

I'd rather pursue other options for a second center to accompany Sarr. We could throw Duren a max offer. Detroit will likely match but I'd at least try. We could also pursue Kessler with a front-loaded deal and hope Utah would rather tank than match. And if both of the RFA gambits fail, I still really like Mitchell Robinson who is an unrestricted free agent. That guy is a monster when healthy, and he has really embraced his role as a low-minute high-energy guy in NY. NY is in cap hell and likely won't be able to keep him. He'd be perfect to play the 16 minutes a game at center when Sarr sits, and then be paired with Sarr for another 5-10 minutes a game for a jumbo lineup.

So the thing is, because of their pick situation, they have a lot of incentive to try and see if they can win games, thus, not trading Davis. Trading a mid round pick and Bilal for Davis smooths that situation out. More to the point - barring a big developmental leap, I could easily see him being the odd man out behind Johnson, Champagnie, George, and to a lesser extent Riley, not to mention whoever we bring in in the lottery (and if it's #2, we're suddenly in a rough spot where Dybantsa is clearly the pick, but there just aren't enough wing minutes.)

Now I do worry about Davis's conditioning and attitude, but I'm also okay with him playing 26-28 mpg and 55-60 games a year. And he's still very very good at PF, and in many ways, Sarr and Davis would be somewhat interchangable. And there are definitely examples of older bigs who aged gracefully on young teams growing into contention.

Fundamentally, I think it's important that after this season, we move into the "contention" stage, and Davis fixes a ton of problems that allow us to do just that.

Davis is declining, injury prone, and a potential attitude problem. I'd rather address our need for a veteran center via other cheaper methods. I'm not sure Anthony Davis will be a better actual player than Mitchell Robinson by next season. And even if he is, the difference between the two isn't worth Bilal, Kispert, a FRP and about $35M in salary. Particularly when we won't really be in our contention window for a few more years.

[payitforward]

Agree -- an injury prone veteran is not the guy we need.

For that matter, unless we're gettign a long term piece, Bagley is filling in effectively during our tank period.

[pcbothwel]

Quick glance.
Bucks: They sorely need athleticism and shooting. Kispert for Portis and a pick swap? Bagley & Cam are probably good fits for them too.
OKC: They need NOTHING, but Ousmane Dieng is just terrible and makes 6.7M. Kenrich also makes ~7M and is hurt/expendable. Might be something there.
Cavs: Nest year, they have 100M/year tied up with Mobley and Mitchell, and another 100M/year in Garland/Hunter/Allen. Something has to give. I assume Garland will be moved to cut some salary and add assets to extend their window out another year or 2
Heat: A bit in limbo. Role players look good, as always, but Bam has been in/out and Herro has yet to play. They have a 16M TPE from Butler.

[tontoz]

OKC has 4 first round picks in this draft. They don't even have room for all those players on their roster, not to mention they are trying to win now. What about trading one of our future picks (protected of course) for one of their picks in this draft?