keevsnick1 wrote:Hal14 wrote:Larry_Russell wrote:
no, its dumb.
Pritchard could play center as well, still dumb.
Nothing worse than posts that say "that's dumb" yet give zero explanation as to why.
Even worse when the thing they claim is dumb is an article that was very well thought out, articulate, in depth, nuanced and backed by data, historical examples and lots of game film

And no, Payton Pritchard playing center is not the same as jayson Tatum playing center. That's an incredibly weak argument.
I don't think it's a crazy idea, but I think it's very unlikely Tatum is going to be playing Center for the Celtics to any significant degree.
First of all, he's just not big enough. He was listed as 6'8, with a 6'11 wingspan and an 8'11 wingspan before the draft. He's grown a bit, especially height wise, but you still want a standing reach closer to 9'2+ and a wingspan of more like 7'2+ for a center.
This deficiency will show up most in paint protection. Tatum is a good secondary rim protector at forward, but
ideally your center will either A) Deter shots at the rim from occurring or B) Lower opponents' accuracy at the rim. Tatum doesn't really do either. Looking at cleaning the glass opponents took a higher % of their shots at the rim (+2.6%), and made a higher percentage of those shots (+1.2%), when Tatum was on the floor then off last season. Same for the season before that. His overall block% is fine for a wing, hovering around .7%-.8%, but its not center level. Now of course part of that is just that you have different responsibilities playing wing vs if he were playing center, but still he's not a shot deterrent.
Compare this to a couple other rim protectors. Numbers are on/off for 24-25 season.
With Zubaac on rim attempts declined by -4.7% (elite), opponents shot 2.0% better on those shots.
With Turner on rim attempts declined by 0.5%, opponents shot 4.5% worse on those shots.
With Mobley on rim attempts declined by 3.3%, opponents shot 2.5% worse on those shots.
With Kornet on rim attempts declined by 2.2%, opponents shot 5.2% worse on those attempts.
With Kessler on rim attempts declined by 3.3%, opponents shot 1.4% worse on those attempts.
With Gobert on rim attempts declined by 5.9% (elite), opponents shot 2.4% worse on those attempts.
Or lastly for this year so far: With Queta on rim attempts decline by 5.7%, opponents shoot 6.5% worse on those attempts.
Tatum is a great player, but he's not a center. There's a reason centers are Queta's size, he's 6'11.5 with a 9'5 standing reach and a 7'4 wingspan. that size supercharges rim protection.
Ideally, sure. In a perfect world, sure. In a perfect world, we'd have someone like Rudy Gobert to play center. But it's not a perfect world.
Pitino said Larry, Robert Parish and Kevin McHale aren't walking through that door. Well I"m saying that Gobert, Zubac and Mobley are not walking through that door.
To win a championship, you put your best players on the floor.
If Queta is our starting center, then we're not putting our best players on the floor. I do think it's possible Queta could maybe be a decent *backup* big on a championship team - but likely not a starter.
Tatum looks like he's grown since the draft to around 6'9"...he's obviously bulked up a bit over the years and is likely around 230 lbs now, if not more. Standing reach, most centers are at least 9'0"..Tatum at 8'11" is close enough..and that's an old measurement, so he could have grown to be right at 9'0" now.
And in the article there's a bunch of video footage of Tatum defending bigs, defending the paint, blocking shots, etc.
https://thecenterhub.substack.com/p/starting-at-center-for-the-bostonIs it ideal? No. In a perfect world, he's playing more at the 3 and 4. But it's not a perfect world. Sometimes you have to play guys at a different position, based on your personnel and roster construction in order to have your best players on the floor.
And think about how much of a nightmare it would be for opposing 5's to try and guard tatum out on the perimeter. There's clips in the article that show just that - with Tatum having a field day when guys like Bitadze and Gobert switch onto him.
If we are able to acquire a starting caliber center? Great, then do it and play Tatum at the 3/4. But that's much easier said than done. Other teams aren't trying to do us any favors. Other teams know we need a center and aren't gonna just hand a quality big over to us. Usually if teams have a good center, they keep him..
Plus after a torn achilles, most players lose a step. We can make it so he's chasing guys around the perimeter less and (literally) putting less miles on him by playing him at the 5. In terms of how many miles per game guys run, guards run more miles than forwards, forwards run more miles than centers. And guards are having to do more taxing lateral movements when defending guys out on the perimeter than forwards..forwards are having to do more taxing lateral movements when defending guys out on the perimeter than centers..so playing him at center, we decrease the chances of further leg injuries to Tatum - the highest paid player in league history, coming off a very serious leg injury.