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babyjax13 wrote:I like the Siakam idea. Lauri would be nice if the primary concern is more scoring. Jalen Smith feels like a cheap addition to their rotation who could be a nice fit?
For the PG/SG need - Monk?
YayBasketball wrote:What would be the Langdon's offer to get Murphy from the Pels? Langdon drafted him, and he fits perfectly into the Pistons new team. Obviously, Pels value him highly, but maybe they consider a really big offer that helps re-stock the asset chest to rebuild around Fears and Queen.
Holland and Ivey is a salary match. How many picks does DET add there? Could even expand it to include Alvarado, another Langdon find. (One more small contract would have to be added, like Sasser).
I always get confused when people talk about NOP players in respects to Langdon. Was Langdon the GM in New Orleans or assistant? That happened alot too with Troy Weaver with fans talking about the guys he drafted in OKC, like Presti wasn't sitting right there.YayBasketball wrote:What would be the Langdon's offer to get Murphy from the Pels? Langdon drafted him, and he fits perfectly into the Pistons new team. Obviously, Pels value him highly, but maybe they consider a really big offer that helps re-stock the asset chest to rebuild around Fears and Queen.
Holland and Ivey is a salary match. How many picks does DET add there? Could even expand it to include Alvarado, another Langdon find. (One more small contract would have to be added, like Sasser).
tmorgan wrote:There’s some Detroit action in here from folks, but I thought I’d spell out what the team really needs and is really willing to move.
Needs/Potential Upgrades:
Capable to good backup PG (rather urgent)
Upgrade at the starting PF spot (not urgent)
Upgrade at the starting SG spot (speculative, by me)
Bench shooting (urgency unknown, because of Ivey’s slow return and Beasley in legal limbo)
The biggest issue is we don’t have a backup PG, unless you really believe in Daniss Jenkins, which seems too risky. Ivey is hurt, but not a PG. Sasser is hurt, but not a PG. We’re making do with Jenkins, Ausar and Caris, but that’s inexperience, non-shooter, and doesn’t really run the offense respectively.
There’s talk about getting in on Lauri or JJJ, but I have no idea if the FO is ready yet to commit the kind of trade assets it would take to pry either loose. Are there other options out there, maybe that aren’t good enough to supplant Tobias yet, but that could provide quality bench minutes? Shooters preferred.
The SG thing is just me speculating. It’s Ivey’s job if he can get healthy, but we’ll need to see what the defense looks like with him out there. It’s been much shakier in the past, and this team is built on defense, rebounding and running in transition. Holland may have a claim on the spot long term, but that’s still up in the air, too. Beasley would sure help, but who knows. Are there guys out there to start at SG now that fit? Duncan Robinson is fine, we need the shooting, but again, bad defense.
Available/Not Available:
We obviously aren’t trading Cade. We aren’t trading Stewart, either. Duren seems very unlikely, given how the season is going. I doubt Ausar is available, but I can’t be entirely sure of that. He’s such an odd player.
I love Holland, but I have to think he’s available in a bigger deal. Ivey seems like he’d be available, as rough as that is, because the team has done so well in his absence. We have all our first round picks and some extra future seconds, certainly available in right trade. Salary filler in another month includes Robinson (basically an expiring), LeVert (one more year), and Tobias if we’re getting a better PF. You can also include Sasser, Reed and Lanier, I suppose.
What’s out there?
YayBasketball wrote:What would be the Langdon's offer to get Murphy from the Pels? Langdon drafted him, and he fits perfectly into the Pistons new team. Obviously, Pels value him highly, but maybe they consider a really big offer that helps re-stock the asset chest to rebuild around Fears and Queen.
Holland and Ivey is a salary match. How many picks does DET add there? Could even expand it to include Alvarado, another Langdon find. (One more small contract would have to be added, like Sasser).
LightTheBeam wrote:Schroder back to Detroit for somwthing?
ReggiesKnicks wrote:tmorgan wrote:There’s some Detroit action in here from folks, but I thought I’d spell out what the team really needs and is really willing to move.
Needs/Potential Upgrades:
Capable to good backup PG (rather urgent)
Upgrade at the starting PF spot (not urgent)
Upgrade at the starting SG spot (speculative, by me)
Bench shooting (urgency unknown, because of Ivey’s slow return and Beasley in legal limbo)
Pascal Siakam is the straightforward fix for most of these.
He provides playmaking, alleviating the need for a true backup PG.
His salary is easily comparable to Harris/Holland/Reed, which means Detroit doesn't need to sacrifice major depth.
The question becomes, what does Indiana require in exchange for trading Siakam in the division? Does that matter?
Another interesting player is Zach LaVine. The cost is essentially nothing for Detroit, where Harris/LeVert is already there (and Reed?).
LightTheBeam wrote:Schroder back to Detroit for somwthing?
They're almost assuredly not wondering this despite a couple of good recent performances.tmorgan wrote:This is going to sound nuts, because I just made this thread yesterday, but Detroit is probably starting to wonder if Daniss Jenkins is indeed the backup PG they need. Played well on Monday and Wednesday, very cheap (on a 2-way right now, 38 games left), worth considering. At the very least, it reduces the urgency in looking for a backup 1.
oldncreaky wrote:LightTheBeam wrote:Schroder back to Detroit for somwthing?
Sure, I'd do it. Same trade terms as last year -- Detroit takes him into a trade exception without sending out any significant salary.
The issue with Dennis is the same as it has been since his time in Atlanta. The issue is not with his on-court play: Dennis is an excellent backup PG. However, Dennis wants to start, but if he starts, the team will always be looking to upgrade that position and send him back to the bench. He also chose, just 4 months ago, to decline a contract from DET to sign with SAC -- which indicates he's still chasing that starting PG role, and doesn't want the role he had (and would have again) on DET.
LightTheBeam wrote:oldncreaky wrote:LightTheBeam wrote:Schroder back to Detroit for somwthing?
Sure, I'd do it. Same trade terms as last year -- Detroit takes him into a trade exception without sending out any significant salary.
The issue with Dennis is the same as it has been since his time in Atlanta. The issue is not with his on-court play: Dennis is an excellent backup PG. However, Dennis wants to start, but if he starts, the team will always be looking to upgrade that position and send him back to the bench. He also chose, just 4 months ago, to decline a contract from DET to sign with SAC -- which indicates he's still chasing that starting PG role, and doesn't want the role he had (and would have again) on DET.
I'd move him for nothing.
He came and tried and failed. Time to head back to the bench on a team hes already had success.
Godaddycurse wrote:LightTheBeam wrote:oldncreaky wrote:
Sure, I'd do it. Same trade terms as last year -- Detroit takes him into a trade exception without sending out any significant salary.
The issue with Dennis is the same as it has been since his time in Atlanta. The issue is not with his on-court play: Dennis is an excellent backup PG. However, Dennis wants to start, but if he starts, the team will always be looking to upgrade that position and send him back to the bench. He also chose, just 4 months ago, to decline a contract from DET to sign with SAC -- which indicates he's still chasing that starting PG role, and doesn't want the role he had (and would have again) on DET.
I'd move him for nothing.
He came and tried and failed. Time to head back to the bench on a team hes already had success.
pretty sure you cant trade him back this year
oldncreaky wrote:LightTheBeam wrote:Schroder back to Detroit for somwthing?
Sure, I'd do it. Same trade terms as last year -- Detroit takes him into a trade exception without sending out any significant salary.
The issue with Dennis is the same as it has been since his time in Atlanta. The issue is not with his on-court play: Dennis is an excellent backup PG. However, Dennis wants to start, but if he starts, the team will always be looking to upgrade that position and send him back to the bench. He also chose, just 4 months ago, to decline a contract from DET to sign with SAC -- which indicates he's still chasing that starting PG role, and doesn't want the role he had (and would have again) on DET.
tmorgan wrote:This is going to sound nuts, because I just made this thread yesterday, but Detroit is probably starting to wonder if Daniss Jenkins is indeed the backup PG they need. Played well on Monday and Wednesday, very cheap (on a 2-way right now, 38 games left), worth considering. At the very least, it reduces the urgency in looking for a backup 1.
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