Roster is a mess - missed draft picks are part of reason

[refshateRaps]

This team is as good as it gets without a superstar. Break it up and enjoy more years of complete suckage

Id like to see them grow for a couple years tbh and upgrade centre if possible. No draft pick will move the needle unless they have true alpha superstar potential. Our starters are as solid as it gets all around without a big dawg and a bench improvement with 'X' player instead of "Y" only moves the needle very little in either direction in the big picture.

our team's simply a mess.

Tonight, showed how bad Gradey Dick, Ochai and JaKobe walters are. I'm not ready to write them off but team should be prepared to find other guys to fill in. They showed us they simply not an answer. Ditto Mogbo who's in the G-league or DNP.

At least they find good players in Shead, CMB who can contribute

Still we need to find more gems and players who can contribute.

This team is far from a mess.

In this City, there is nothing wrong with watching a young High end treadmill roster until lighting can strike.

In a league that's propelled by a limited number of Superstars and your favorite team resides in one of the coldest climates...Tempered expectations are important. This roster is as good as its gets for a young squad that can grow with until we find a way to land a Big dawg again, somehow.

[anotherhomer]

This team is as good as it gets without a superstar. Break it up and enjoy more years of complete suckage

Id like to see them grow for a couple years tbh and upgrade centre if possible. No draft pick will move the needle unless they have true alpha superstar potential. Our starters are as solid as it gets all around without a big dawg and a bench improvement with 'X' player instead of "Y" only moves the needle very little in either direction in the big picture.

our team's simply a mess.

Tonight, showed how bad Gradey Dick, Ochai and JaKobe walters are. I'm not ready to write them off but team should be prepared to find other guys to fill in. They showed us they simply not an answer. Ditto Mogbo who's in the G-league or DNP.

At least they find good players in Shead, CMB who can contribute

Still we need to find more gems and players who can contribute.

This team is far from a mess.

We are the best case scenario without having an Alpha superstar scorer. High end treadmill.

In a league that's propelled by a limited number of Superstars and your favorite team is in one of the coldest climates.....This is as good as its gonna get for a young squad to grow with until we find a way to land a Big dawg again, somehow.

Ya a perennial .500 team thats competitive isn't a bad thiny

[refshateRaps]

our team's simply a mess.

Tonight, showed how bad Gradey Dick, Ochai and JaKobe walters are. I'm not ready to write them off but team should be prepared to find other guys to fill in. They showed us they simply not an answer. Ditto Mogbo who's in the G-league or DNP.

At least they find good players in Shead, CMB who can contribute

Still we need to find more gems and players who can contribute.

This team is far from a mess.

We are the best case scenario without having an Alpha superstar scorer. High end treadmill.

In a league that's propelled by a limited number of Superstars and your favorite team is in one of the coldest climates.....This is as good as its gonna get for a young squad to grow with until we find a way to land a Big dawg again, somehow.

Ya a perennial .500 team thats competitive isn't a bad thiny

What Superstar is coming here to change that?

We could swap all the low end mid players we like and the needle doesn't go up, but I can easily argue it will go down if we play with the core (outside of Poeltl) as they are quite talented and has potential to grow well together. It's clear this squad has alot of differing skills to throw at other teams as they mesh and grow.

6-5 after a tough start in this league for a group that needs to adjust to each others skills. The fact they rebounded from the tough start shows its not a mess.

Sorry, no star is coming or staying if the team is chit. Best case to build a solid young core and buy time if an opportunity comes about. I like what we are doing.

First time I can say this since Masai and Bobby went MIA post title.

[anotherhomer]

This team is far from a mess.

We are the best case scenario without having an Alpha superstar scorer. High end treadmill.

In a league that's propelled by a limited number of Superstars and your favorite team is in one of the coldest climates.....This is as good as its gonna get for a young squad to grow with until we find a way to land a Big dawg again, somehow.

Ya a perennial .500 team thats competitive isn't a bad thiny

What Superstar is coming here to change that?

We could swap all the low end mid players we like and the needle doesn't go up, but I can easily argue it will go down if we play with the core (outside of Poeltl) as they are quite talented and has potential to grow well together. It's clear this squad has alot of differing skills to throw at other teams as they mesh and grow.

6-5 after a tough start in this league for a group that needs to adjust to each others skills. The fact they rebounded from the tough start shows its not a mess.

Sorry, no star is coming or staying if the team is chit. Best case to build a solid young core and buy time if an opportunity comes about. I like what we are doing.

First time I can say this since Masai and Bobby went MIA post title.

the thread was made when they were 1-4, but they have gone 5-1 since then which is really encouraging.

i do have to caution it really depends on guys like BI, jakob's wonky, Scottie bizzare injuries like getting his hand slapped again
and staying healthy

[Tha Cynic]

It’s okay to just say they’ve exceeded people’s expectations while still not reaching half their potential with the young guys off to slow starts lol

If feels like most of this board is always stressed instead of understanding the whole point of watching a sport which is for entertainment lol

[HiJiNX]

It’s okay to just say they’ve exceeded people’s expectations while still not reaching half their potential with the young guys off to slow starts lol

If feels like most of this board is always stressed instead of understanding the whole point of watching a sport which is for entertainment lol

To add, even when things are going well, this board mostly finds a way to poke holes in things. There’s a strong contingent that is never satisfied.

[Appostis]

It’s okay to just say they’ve exceeded people’s expectations while still not reaching half their potential with the young guys off to slow starts lol

If feels like most of this board is always stressed instead of understanding the whole point of watching a sport which is for entertainment lol

To add, even when things are going well, this board mostly finds a way to poke holes in things. There’s a strong contingent that is never satisfied.

Just to many people who want the team to fail so they can post about how they were right, team should of been a full tear down for draft picks, whatever whatever.


I do wish we ended up with Ware instead of Ja'Kobe for roster balance but what can you do. Team is a trade away from a pretty well balanced team.

[refshateRaps]

Ya a perennial .500 team thats competitive isn't a bad thiny

What Superstar is coming here to change that?

We could swap all the low end mid players we like and the needle doesn't go up, but I can easily argue it will go down if we play with the core (outside of Poeltl) as they are quite talented and has potential to grow well together. It's clear this squad has alot of differing skills to throw at other teams as they mesh and grow.

6-5 after a tough start in this league for a group that needs to adjust to each others skills. The fact they rebounded from the tough start shows its not a mess.

Sorry, no star is coming or staying if the team is chit. Best case to build a solid young core and buy time if an opportunity comes about. I like what we are doing.

First time I can say this since Masai and Bobby went MIA post title.

the thread was made when they were 1-4, but they have gone 5-1 since then which is really encouraging.

i do have to caution it really depends on guys like BI, jakob's wonky, Scottie bizzare injuries like getting his hand slapped again
and staying healthy

BI is the key. He is the one that will be relied on to get us a bucket when games tighten up at the end of the season and playoff time.

This team will have ups and downs but is built to become a very good regular season team if healthy. Like most teams, health is a major factor. Playoffs they should give teams with stars fits, but the NBA is officiated in favour of Superstars so the hill will be far to steep to climb. Never the less. its a fun group with differing skill sets that could become surprisingly dangerous against top teams if not taken serious.

[anotherhomer]

What Superstar is coming here to change that?

We could swap all the low end mid players we like and the needle doesn't go up, but I can easily argue it will go down if we play with the core (outside of Poeltl) as they are quite talented and has potential to grow well together. It's clear this squad has alot of differing skills to throw at other teams as they mesh and grow.

6-5 after a tough start in this league for a group that needs to adjust to each others skills. The fact they rebounded from the tough start shows its not a mess.

Sorry, no star is coming or staying if the team is chit. Best case to build a solid young core and buy time if an opportunity comes about. I like what we are doing.

First time I can say this since Masai and Bobby went MIA post title.

the thread was made when they were 1-4, but they have gone 5-1 since then which is really encouraging.

i do have to caution it really depends on guys like BI, jakob's wonky, Scottie bizzare injuries like getting his hand slapped again
and staying healthy

BI is the key. He is the one that will be relied on to get us a bucket when games tighten up at the end of the season and playoff time.

This team will have ups and downs but is built to become a very good regular season team if healthy. Like most teams, health is a major factor. Playoffs they should give teams with stars fits, but the NBA is officiated in favour of Superstars so the hill will be far to steep to climb. Never the less. its a fun group with differing skill sets that could become surprisingly dangerous against top teams if not taken serious.

BI hasn't done too well in the playoffs....but if we get in the playoffs, i'm honestly happy

[Mark_83]

I fully expect Alijah Martin to steal Walter's spot at some point this season.

[Appostis]

the thread was made when they were 1-4, but they have gone 5-1 since then which is really encouraging.

i do have to caution it really depends on guys like BI, jakob's wonky, Scottie bizzare injuries like getting his hand slapped again
and staying healthy

BI is the key. He is the one that will be relied on to get us a bucket when games tighten up at the end of the season and playoff time.

This team will have ups and downs but is built to become a very good regular season team if healthy. Like most teams, health is a major factor. Playoffs they should give teams with stars fits, but the NBA is officiated in favour of Superstars so the hill will be far to steep to climb. Never the less. its a fun group with differing skill sets that could become surprisingly dangerous against top teams if not taken serious.

BI hasn't done too well in the playoffs....but if we get in the playoffs, i'm honestly happy

...you sure about that?

[nestea]

It’s okay to just say they’ve exceeded people’s expectations while still not reaching half their potential with the young guys off to slow starts lol

If feels like most of this board is always stressed instead of understanding the whole point of watching a sport which is for entertainment lol

Yes it's entertainment but it's also nice to win, and plenty. You don't play to lose it it won't be entertaining.

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

Never should have traded Norm for Gary.

[anotherhomer]

Never should have traded Norm for Gary.

it was a defendable, understandable move but one that didn't work out

there was a lot of bad moves that still hurt the raps

2021 - pass on Bane over Flynn
2021 - GTJ for Norm
2022 - trade down FRP for Thad, miss out on Nemby, Kessler
2023 - Jakob for FRP, miss out on Lively, Cason Wallace possibly even Thompson brothers in 2023 draft. MIssed out on Clingan, Edey, Matas, Ware, Tristan Da Silva in 2024 draft
2024 - Mogbo over Jaylen Wells

you can't hit on anything. misses happen but ya, you re-do 1-2 of this, and makes a difference


The BI trade was great though

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

Mistakes happen. Some home runs like FVV signing, Pascal pick and Kawhi trade got us a ring.

I cross my fingers they let good things like Battle and Shead emerge and not hold them back behind guys they paid a lot for but aren’t as productive.

[WiggOuts]

people got so used to a high success rate that they thought it was normal, its not normal to hit on every single move. Even teams that have done things the way a lot of people wished they would have made mistakes, the lists are long

[_MidNight_]

Mistakes happen. Some home runs like FVV signing, Pascal pick and Kawhi trade got us a ring.

I cross my fingers they let good things like Battle and Shead emerge and not hold them back behind guys they paid a lot for but aren’t as productive.

I could be wrong, but it seems like this organization value players they pay more or who has been here longer. It takes them a long time to adjust to guys who're clearly better that emerged out of nowhere, and should be getting more playing time than the guy ahead of them. Battle is clearly better than Ja'Kobe.

[OakleyDokely]

Even during the we the north years, they didn't hit on everyone. Delon was solid, but he was a backup on mostly mediocre teams over his career. Bruno and Malachi didn't work out at all. Getting players like Siakam, VV, who made allstar games isn't the norm. If you can just get rotation players with mid-late picks it's a win.

Just keep.adding quality depth. Some guys will be key players on the court, some guys will be useful in trades, some just won't make it past their first or second deal. But the Raps have hit on enough guys to field a roster with a lot of bench options.

[YogurtProducer]

Even during the we the north years, they didn't hit on everyone. Delon was solid, but he was a backup on mostly mediocre teams over his career. Bruno and Malachi didn't work out at all. Getting players like Siakam, VV, who made allstar games isn't the norm. If you can just get rotation players with mid-late picks it's a win.

Just keep.adding quality depth. Some guys will be key players on the court, some guys will be useful in trades, some just won't make it past their first or second deal. But the Raps have hit on enough guys to field a roster with a lot of bench options.

Yeah if we can get this thing to a 45-50 win team, all it takes is hitting on one of those late picks once to kind of put you up another tier, like Siakam / OG did.

IMO, we are in a better place right now than we were in 2013/14 when the WTN Raps made the POs vs BKN. So much more potential with Barnes / CMB / Dick / Walter / Shead / Mogbo / Ochai / Battle than we had in 2014 when our young asset base was Demar, PatPat, Acy, JV, and Ross.

Then our vets are arguably more talented as a group. IQ/RJ/Ingram/Poeltl vs Lowry/Vasquez/Amir.

Not saying we are gonna be better over the next 6 years than we were 2013-2019, but we certainly have a better starting place.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

As we did before and will continue to do again - we put ourselves in a position to have a bunch of players who are a good fit for a consolidation trade for a superstar.......should be obvious by now folks