Jokic stats last 9 games: 27/12/13 on 80% TS

[dhsilv2]

Sure making him tired is definitely a strategy, however this is game 7 against the champs.

There's no better time to go for broke than now. Jokic put up 9 shots. I don't know what conditioning issues you think Jokic has but he can do much, much better tactically.

It's not like he had a stat line of 15 points and 20 assists. He was just not aggressive. Defenders look tremendous against passive players ala Mavericks vs Lebron 2011.

There's absolutely no reason to preserve energy in a game 7, it's likely a title win.

There are only two options on offense. Pass or shoot. Murray/Braun took the most shots and weren't exactly carrying the offense.
So you keep passing to them or you put up more shots. It's not as if Jokic was 1-9, he was very efficient on low volume.

He had 12 free throws and 5 turnovers. That's like 11 more possessions with the 9 shots. And they pulled him early in the blow out. Again he can do more but 9 shots is a bit misleading to what he did.

Which means he was getting some FTA and the turnovers suck but that's the game, it's not about the prettiest stat line for nerds to fawn over but rather to win the biggest game of the year.

Compared to his ridiculously high standard, he didn't do enough. Everyone here would much rather have Jokic risk another TO or a missed shot than have him become passive in a game 7.

Some players are so good that they can play bad and still be a positive.

I don't think we're disagreeing really, I just think a chucker Jokic is still better than 99% of the league

I agree we're in general agreement here. I'm just pointing out that Jokic was a bit passive, not significantly. That's more than his average free throws for example, same with turnovers. The 9 shots is misleading because they were fouling him on shots. Some were called and some lead to turnovers. Others lead to "passive" passes to avoid a turnover.

He isn't winning MVP with games like that. But he wasn't "9 shots passive".

[Bad Bart]

I am having a very hard time telling if you're trolling or if you're being serious.

it doesn't look diffocult to me

Me neither, Jokic today scored 55 points, 6 assists, doing exactly what i asked.
And notice i never said anyone was wrong, and never bullied anyone for having a different opinion to me.

I meant to highlight this yesterday, but the group think on this site is absolutely wild. After this comment, in which the user even takes a conciliatory tone, a number of commenters jump in to attack. Why? Because someone had the temerity to offer a differing opinion.

Why are so many on this board eager to essentially take people to task for offering up an alternative viewpoint? I've seen threads where one commenter has the nerve to offer a contrarian take, and it's followed by pages of comments analyzing their psychology, offering up conspiracy theories and insulting their intelligence without really engaging in good faith with the thought offered.

And unfortunately, anything having to do with Jokic just seems to amplify these tendencies.

[Iwasawitness]

it doesn't look diffocult to me

Me neither, Jokic today scored 55 points, 6 assists, doing exactly what i asked.
And notice i never said anyone was wrong, and never bullied anyone for having a different opinion to me.

I meant to highlight this yesterday, but the group think on this site is absolutely wild. After this comment, in which the user even takes a conciliatory tone, a number of commenters jump in to attack. Why? Because someone had the temerity to offer a differing opinion.

Why are so many on this board eager to essentially take people to task for offering up an alternative viewpoint? I've seen threads where one commenter has the nerve to offer a contrarian take, and it's followed by pages of comments analyzing their psychology, offering up conspiracy theories and insulting their intelligence without really engaging in good faith with the thought offered.

And unfortunately, anything having to do with Jokic just seems to amplify these tendencies.

That isn't why lol

[TheGeneral99]

Some poster on here last week was arguing with me that Reaves is now as good as Jokic, lol.

[og15]

Some poster on here last week was arguing with me that Reaves is now as good as Jokic, lol.

Sometimes we have to recognize being trolled quicker than we do, or just remember that some people don't understand logic lol

[Infinite Llamas]

it doesn't look diffocult to me

Me neither, Jokic today scored 55 points, 6 assists, doing exactly what i asked.
And notice i never said anyone was wrong, and never bullied anyone for having a different opinion to me.

I meant to highlight this yesterday, but the group think on this site is absolutely wild. After this comment, in which the user even takes a conciliatory tone, a number of commenters jump in to attack. Why? Because someone had the temerity to offer a differing opinion.

Why are so many on this board eager to essentially take people to task for offering up an alternative viewpoint? I've seen threads where one commenter has the nerve to offer a contrarian take, and it's followed by pages of comments analyzing their psychology, offering up conspiracy theories and insulting their intelligence without really engaging in good faith with the thought offered.

And unfortunately, anything having to do with Jokic just seems to amplify these tendencies.

The issue with Jokic, now, is that he is knocking on the door of top-10 all time and there is a hoard of gatekeepers trying to deny his access. They constantly bring up the same arguments. Game 7 vs the Wolves. No defense. Lack of rings. And Lebron had to deal with all of this too before Miami. People scrutinize things and look for any little facet or jab to poke holes in the argument. It isn’t always in good faith, and often times, it is simply agenda driven.

Many of these same Joker haters will welcome someone like Wembanyama into the top 10 with open arms despite the fact that he has little accolades at this point and his entire case into GOATdom is simply projection. Lots of dudes just salty that Jokic is, essentially, better than their favorite player and I’m sure that stings.

[tsherkin]

Some poster on here last week was arguing with me that Reaves is now as good as Jokic, lol.

Sometimes we have to recognize being trolled quicker than we do, or just remember that some people don't understand logic lol

Many people approach sport very emotionally, and don't take the time to sit down and think through various stances, criteria or particulars, no doubt.

[Bad Bart]

Me neither, Jokic today scored 55 points, 6 assists, doing exactly what i asked.
And notice i never said anyone was wrong, and never bullied anyone for having a different opinion to me.

I meant to highlight this yesterday, but the group think on this site is absolutely wild. After this comment, in which the user even takes a conciliatory tone, a number of commenters jump in to attack. Why? Because someone had the temerity to offer a differing opinion.

Why are so many on this board eager to essentially take people to task for offering up an alternative viewpoint? I've seen threads where one commenter has the nerve to offer a contrarian take, and it's followed by pages of comments analyzing their psychology, offering up conspiracy theories and insulting their intelligence without really engaging in good faith with the thought offered.

And unfortunately, anything having to do with Jokic just seems to amplify these tendencies.

The issue with Jokic, now, is that he is knocking on the door of top-10 all time and there is a hoard of gatekeepers trying to deny his access. They constantly bring up the same arguments. Game 7 vs the Wolves. No defense. Lack of rings. And Lebron had to deal with all of this too before Miami. People scrutinize things and look for any little facet or jab to poke holes in the argument. It isn’t always in good faith, and often times, it is simply agenda driven.

Many of these same Joker haters will welcome someone like Wembanyama into the top 10 with open arms despite the fact that he has little accolades at this point and his entire case into GOATdom is simply projection. Lots of dudes just salty that Jokic is, essentially, better than their favorite player and I’m sure that stings.

Man, this board is more insane than I had thought.

[Infinite Llamas]

I meant to highlight this yesterday, but the group think on this site is absolutely wild. After this comment, in which the user even takes a conciliatory tone, a number of commenters jump in to attack. Why? Because someone had the temerity to offer a differing opinion.

Why are so many on this board eager to essentially take people to task for offering up an alternative viewpoint? I've seen threads where one commenter has the nerve to offer a contrarian take, and it's followed by pages of comments analyzing their psychology, offering up conspiracy theories and insulting their intelligence without really engaging in good faith with the thought offered.

And unfortunately, anything having to do with Jokic just seems to amplify these tendencies.

The issue with Jokic, now, is that he is knocking on the door of top-10 all time and there is a hoard of gatekeepers trying to deny his access. They constantly bring up the same arguments. Game 7 vs the Wolves. No defense. Lack of rings. And Lebron had to deal with all of this too before Miami. People scrutinize things and look for any little facet or jab to poke holes in the argument. It isn’t always in good faith, and often times, it is simply agenda driven.

Many of these same Joker haters will welcome someone like Wembanyama into the top 10 with open arms despite the fact that he has little accolades at this point and his entire case into GOATdom is simply projection. Lots of dudes just salty that Jokic is, essentially, better than their favorite player and I’m sure that stings.

Man, this board is more insane than I had thought.

Now who’s the psychology expert? Lol