Is Scottie like the defensive JALEN JOHNSON?

[HumbleRen]

Johnson would have gone a lot higher in the draft if there weren't injury concerns. There were also concerns about his circle. I recall some said he could have returned from injury in college but decided (or was advised) not to and just wait for the draft. Probably a reasonable business decision but it also hurt his stock. I always loved his game and thought he would be a stud in NBA but Scottie is better. Scottie still has a chance to have the best career in a very deep draft. He is a 2-way beast. Too many people only look at stat sheets. JJ isn't sharing the ball with 3 other offence first players atm.

Nah I disagree. Scottie wouldn’t be able to do what JJ does on Atlanta. Scottie gets better with more talented offensive players around him. He wouldn’t be able to be lift an offence from the mud like Jalen Johnson can with the Hawks right now.

We saw it last year, Scottie had a miserable time handling that offensive load. Scottie’s magic power is being a multiplier, hes a super connector.

What you saw last year is a team not trying to compete and atlanta is way better than the raps were last year with Atls current squad. Put barnes on the hawks right now and they are just fine. JJ gets to play with 2 spacing bigs

Nah man lol. We can’t give that excuse to Scottie. He just wasn’t able to be a lead ball handling engine like that, no shame in that.

Bobby identified that and got BI for a reason.

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[kalel123]

Pick today of all days to start a stupid nothing thread?

[Grew]

Jalen would have went higher if it wasn't for coach K saying he was soft and had a bad attitude.

He definitely proved that old fart wrong.

[HiJiNX]

Jalen Johnson for all of his talent just seems to be missing something for me. I can’t place my finger on it. But I wouldn’t build around him. He strikes me as a second option.

[TheAlchemist23]

I just hope Scottie continues to attack the basket like he's been doing the last couple games, that's what Jalen does so well as a more polished slasher. Scottie's FTr is far too low, he should be shooting 6-7 FTAs every game.

[tsherkin]

Johnson is a crappy role player. Don't ever put them in the same sentence ever again.

22/10/6 65TS% is crap?

Not sure you want to ride on 11 games from a guy who hasn't managed more than 59% TS in a season to date after 4 previous years. Especially when it's taking him shooting over 74.6% FT (80.4) on career-high volume (career-best .321 FTr to date, beating previous best of .242) while shooting 81% in the RA in order to reach that. He's been a career 72.8% shooter there prior to this season.

I don't disagree with you, but referencing specific stats at this moment probably isn't The Way. He's definitely not crappy.

He's inconsistent, and he's s***-useless at actually staying on the court, but when he's healthy, he's a talented guy.

[Tha Cynic]

I think we can all agree that neither are superstars. So then you look at these guys in terms of overall impact in other roles supporting someone else who is the main scorer.

I will take Scottie Barnes on that pretty easily.

Also, wtf, are we just picking any random player who puts up stats to compare to Barnes even after he has a great game? Is this board now just so depressed they can’t even appreciate a team that is playing well?

[Tha Cynic]

Nah I disagree. Scottie wouldn’t be able to do what JJ does on Atlanta. Scottie gets better with more talented offensive players around him. He wouldn’t be able to be lift an offence from the mud like Jalen Johnson can with the Hawks right now.

We saw it last year, Scottie had a miserable time handling that offensive load. Scottie’s magic power is being a multiplier, hes a super connector.

What you saw last year is a team not trying to compete and atlanta is way better than the raps were last year with Atls current squad. Put barnes on the hawks right now and they are just fine. JJ gets to play with 2 spacing bigs

Nah man lol. We can’t give that excuse to Scottie. He just wasn’t able to be a lead ball handling engine like that, no shame in that.

Bobby identified that and got BI for a reason.

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Unless you think Jalen Johnson is a superstar who’s going to carry a team somewhere, I think this argument is pretty moot on both sides. Both players are either secondary or tertiary players and watching them on the court, I think I’ll take what Barnes can do a lot more than what Jalen Johnson can do. If you want to have a scoring competition, yeah I think Jalen Johnson is the better scorer on an individual level.

So far no one from that Barnes draft has established themselves as a superstar anyway. All these guys have had seasons where they show they can play well with good players around them. I would say the only guy who has really shown an ability to take over offensively is Wagner and he’s probably the best player on that team.

[HumbleRen]

What you saw last year is a team not trying to compete and atlanta is way better than the raps were last year with Atls current squad. Put barnes on the hawks right now and they are just fine. JJ gets to play with 2 spacing bigs

Nah man lol. We can’t give that excuse to Scottie. He just wasn’t able to be a lead ball handling engine like that, no shame in that.

Bobby identified that and got BI for a reason.

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Unless you think Jalen Johnson is a superstar who’s going to carry a team somewhere, I think this argument is pretty moot on both sides. Both players are either secondary or tertiary players and watching them on the court, I think I’ll take what Barnes can do a lot more than what Jalen Johnson can do. If you want to have a scoring competition, yeah I think Jalen Johnson is the better scorer on an individual level.

So far no one from that Barnes draft has established themselves as a superstar anyway. All these guys have had seasons where they show they can play well with good players around them. I would say the only guy who has really shown an ability to take over offensively is Wagner and he’s probably the best player on that team.

Nah I don’t think JJ will be a superstar or Scottie. I think they’re both going to be all nba caliber players for a very long time though.

I just think JJ is more capable of shouldering a bigger load on offence and Scottie is more capable of shouldering a bigger load on defence.

[YogurtProducer]

Johnson is a crappy role player. Don't ever put them in the same sentence ever again.

22/10/6 65TS% is crap?

Not sure you want to ride on 11 games from a guy who hasn't managed more than 59% TS in a season to date after 4 previous years. Especially when it's taking him shooting over 74.6% FT (80.4) on career-high volume (career-best .321 FTr to date, beating previous best of .242) while shooting 81% in the RA in order to reach that. He's been a career 72.8% shooter there prior to this season.

I don't disagree with you, but referencing specific stats at this moment probably isn't The Way. He's definitely not crappy.

He's inconsistent, and he's s***-useless at actually staying on the court, but when he's healthy, he's a talented guy.

Sure lets look at last year. 19/10/5 on 57TS% is crappy?

Its just a crazy statement to make lol

[tsherkin]

Sure lets look at last year. 19/10/5 on 57TS% is crappy?

Its just a crazy statement to make lol

"Crappy" is too much. The scoring efficiency wasn't impressive and he's been up and down there in his career. He's a spot-on 100 TS+ guy on his career to date, which is why I'm so hesitant over his present efficiency.

But yes, definitely not a crappy player. Just not an offensive star.

[Thaddy]

22/10/6 65TS% is crap?

Not sure you want to ride on 11 games from a guy who hasn't managed more than 59% TS in a season to date after 4 previous years. Especially when it's taking him shooting over 74.6% FT (80.4) on career-high volume (career-best .321 FTr to date, beating previous best of .242) while shooting 81% in the RA in order to reach that. He's been a career 72.8% shooter there prior to this season.

I don't disagree with you, but referencing specific stats at this moment probably isn't The Way. He's definitely not crappy.

He's inconsistent, and he's s***-useless at actually staying on the court, but when he's healthy, he's a talented guy.

Sure lets look at last year. 19/10/5 on 57TS% is crappy?

Its just a crazy statement to make lol

I would argue that he's benefitting a lot from playing with a top 5 guard in the league. If Barnes and Johnson swapped places its obvious Barnes numbers would jump even higher.

[tsherkin]

I would argue that he's benefitting a lot from playing with a top 5 guard in the league. If Barnes and Johnson swapped places its obvious Barnes numbers would jump even higher.

That isn't a counterpoint, though. What that means is that he fills his role quite well. He's not a focal scoring option, sure, but that doesn't make him crappy. And he was drafted 20th overall, without fanfare which suggested that he was supposed to become the main source of offensive creation.

[anotherhomer]

i think cade is a guy who can carry an offensive load.
same with algerun too....

[Yallbecrazy]

Jalen was considered top 10 even top 5 draft prospect but somehow fell to 20 because of injury

He had a higher ceiling than scottie particularly on the offensive end

Scottie Barnes actually went top 5 tho, in a better draft, lol what are we talking about here?

It was the same draft

[DreamTeam09]

Jalen was considered top 10 even top 5 draft prospect but somehow fell to 20 because of injury

He had a higher ceiling than scottie particularly on the offensive end

Scottie Barnes actually went top 5 tho, in a better draft, lol what are we talking about here?

It was the same draft

mabad, so 1 went top 5 and the other went 20th, S/o to JJ but if all things are equal, I'll take the better defender everytime

[anotherhomer]

Scottie Barnes actually went top 5 tho, in a better draft, lol what are we talking about here?

It was the same draft

mabad, so 1 went top 5 and the other went 20th, S/o to JJ but if all things are equal, I'll take the better defender everytime

I prefer a guy who can carry the team offensively....

[junot111]

Johnson is a crappy role player. Don't ever put them in the same sentence ever again.

22/10/6 65TS% is crap?

Not sure you want to ride on 11 games from a guy who hasn't managed more than 59% TS in a season to date after 4 previous years. Especially when it's taking him shooting over 74.6% FT (80.4) on career-high volume (career-best .321 FTr to date, beating previous best of .242) while shooting 81% in the RA in order to reach that. He's been a career 72.8% shooter there prior to this season.

I don't disagree with you, but referencing specific stats at this moment probably isn't The Way. He's definitely not crappy.

He's inconsistent, and he's s***-useless at actually staying on the court, but when he's healthy, he's a talented guy.

I mean you can say this about Scottie. After last season people were doubting whether he could even be a second or THIRD option, now that he's playing well in a small sample size with a better roster we're ready to anoint him as a franchise player again lol.

Health risk aside, I'd place Jalen Johnson around the same tier as Scottie and I would actually say he has a bit more upside to reach another level.

[HumbleRen]

22/10/6 65TS% is crap?

Not sure you want to ride on 11 games from a guy who hasn't managed more than 59% TS in a season to date after 4 previous years. Especially when it's taking him shooting over 74.6% FT (80.4) on career-high volume (career-best .321 FTr to date, beating previous best of .242) while shooting 81% in the RA in order to reach that. He's been a career 72.8% shooter there prior to this season.

I don't disagree with you, but referencing specific stats at this moment probably isn't The Way. He's definitely not crappy.

He's inconsistent, and he's s***-useless at actually staying on the court, but when he's healthy, he's a talented guy.

I mean you can say this about Scottie. After last season people were doubting whether he could even be a second or THIRD option, now that he's playing well in a small sample size with a better roster we're ready to anoint him as a franchise player again lol.

Health risk aside, I'd place Jalen Johnson around the same tier as Scottie and I would actually say he has a bit more upside to reach another level.

Yeah like I’m confused lol. Scottie hasn’t put together an all star season once yet for the entirety of a 82 game season. He’s not some ideal model of consistency either.

They’re in the same tier as a player despite JJ making less money than IQ until 2030. I think Atlanta is quite happy with Jalen Johnson lol.

I’m looking forward to them battling each other for the next several years.

[tsherkin]

I mean you can say this about Scottie. After last season people were doubting whether he could even be a second or THIRD option, now that he's playing well in a small sample size with a better roster we're ready to anoint him as a franchise player again lol.

I am certainly not calling him a franchise player, though obviously there are those who are overreacting as such, yes.

Health risk aside, I'd place Jalen Johnson around the same tier as Scottie and I would actually say he has a bit more upside to reach another level.

I don't know that I'd say he has more upside for another level, but I was pointing out that the small sample size radically overstates his utility from an efficiency standpoint. That is very likely to cool down. Subsequent discussion addressed and complimented his core strengths. Not really sure what you wrote has to do with the post of mine you quoted, to be honest.

Yeah like I’m confused lol. Scottie hasn’t put together an all star season once yet for the entirety of a 82 game season. He’s not some ideal model of consistency either.

They’re in the same tier as a player despite JJ making less money than IQ until 2030. I think Atlanta is quite happy with Jalen Johnson lol.

I’m looking forward to them battling each other for the next several years.

Scottie is in an excellent situation now and is being deployed as he should be, in an environment which suits his skill set far more than the past couple of seasons. And it's grea tto see, no doubt. He does also have his own issues of consistency and various weaknesses, for sure though.