Trades and Transactions 2025 V

[Richard4444]

I am not sure If KAT holds too much trade value.
- He is a flight risk because he will be an expiring next Season. Especially for small markets.
- He has a huge salary for a non top 15 player in the League. Especially with the new CBA.
- He is a defensiva liability and teams usually uses center as rim protectors. As PF he is not as productive.
- He is 30 Years old already. And agile bigs are usually injury prone. .

[thebuzzardman]

Bigs don't matter. Wemby, Jokic, Gianiis, Mobley, Chet, Sengun are all scrubs...

Most teams aren't building around them.

My post was hyperbolic and more to the point about not investing too much money in players like KAT or AD.

Wemby, Yokic and Giannis are generational freaks who expanded what is possible from the C position.

KAT and AD are more like upscale Raef LaFrentz. I mean, it's nice when a center can pass some and isn't a post up stiff like in the old days, but they don't represent the top tier of the position, especially AD, who injuries have made a shell of his former self.

One of most key things in the NBA is that there are always players who get paid like super stars who aren't exactly super stars. Because of the CBAs and how money has always been distributed in the league. And that sometimes bad teams need to pay really good but not star players to put asses in seats.

Wemby, Yokic and Giannis are Centers that have in their games the ability of wings/guards/point guards.
Sengun isn't at that level but he's a really really good passer. WAY better than KAT. Shoots as well as him too. He also doesn't make 60 million per.
Mobly is a far better defender than KAT and he's the THIRD option on offense on a team that has two bonafide creative scorer/passers in Mitchell/Garland.
Chet isn't being paid a gazillon dollars yet and the real engine of OKC is SGA/Williams anyway. Oh look, Williams, another big with wing/guard skills.

KAT? He should well. That's his elite skill.
Ok passer. Drives well when the floor is spread out, otherwise he's an offensive foul waiting to happen.
His defense sucks.
60 million per

Big mistake.

I get the Knicks had to move on from Randle and I was enthusiastic for the Knicks to go 5 out
I was enthusiastic for the Knicks to assemble Villanovans.

It's just way too much $$$$ tied up in KAT/Mikal, players that aren't top tier elite in doing the things that championship teams do.

It's great the Knicks aren't the abject soul sucking losers they were for 20 years but in effect Leon capped out the team and traded all it's assets for a 2nd round exit (if lucky) team for the next 4 years.

Leon tried, he made the team much better, but making the last move or two to truly get over the top requires elite level GM'ing and no one in the Knicks FO is that, because it's a rare skill. And takes luck.

At least Brunson had the decency to not take a massive contract because he has the self awareness to know he's a flawed very good player. You know, exactly like OG, Mikal and KAT are. Of course the thanks he gets for it is fans starting to say he's a selfish chucker who ruins the offense. Good times.
I can't wait until the Elf/Ward/Felton level PGs are running the team post Brunson. Hope it last 30 years instead of 20 that time.

Holy sh.it Buzz.. Damn I agree with most of it but KAT is a good to great passer for a Center. Pretty much KAT is all-time offense big man with very little defensive skill.

You're also right that due to CBA he has to be a max player. What if his extension, he is willing to take 50m per year again instead of the max? Everyone has taken a decent paycut to stay under 40m and we will see if KAT is willing. If not, you can't pay him max with zero defense. We really need a 2-way superstar. KAT's trade was justifiable because he is at a star level that will close the gap to a Giannis than a Julius Randle.

And your last 2 sentence.... geezus.

KAT is somewhat better than ordinary center. He doesn't justify the paycheck or role in the offense. Not for a team that wants to go all the way.
He's an awesome 3rd option.
Could be the 2nd option if the Knicks had someone other than Brunson to handle the rock in the starting lineup.
They really don't. Because they gave up too much for Mikal, who's a really good 4th option.

[KnixinSix]

I can't imagine the Pistons paying 4 picks for KAT or caring about what CAA wants when JJJ is locked into his contract at least until the 2029 off-season in his prime unless he has a no-trade clause.

KAT is the better scorer, 3 pt shooter and rebounder. He has plenty of value and there are some teams that could value him over JJJ.

It has to be some team that doesn't care about defense.

I'm sure there are some takers. I mean, the Knicks traded for KAT and the mavericks traded for AD.

Has to be a couple of other dumb teams left. Unfortunately I don't think the Bucks are one of them.

I might trade OG forJJJ, but actually not KAT.

I was on the trade for JJJ bandwagon but after getting another close look at him the other day, no thanks.
And even OG I'd question, because OG guards 4,3,2,5 and 1 but JJJ looks more comfortable guarding 4/5

Knicks either trade for Giannis or they are stuck with this Bronze Treadmill team.

J j j for kat can work in some situations , especially when it's expanded to 3 teams .

[robillionaire]

I am not sure If KAT holds too much trade value.
- He is a flight risk because he will be an expiring next Season. Especially for small markets.
- He has a huge salary for a non top 15 player in the League. Especially with the new CBA.
- He is a defensiva liability and teams usually uses center as rim protectors. As PF he is not as productive.
- He is 30 Years old already. And agile bigs are usually injury prone. .

Awesome hopefully he’s here forever

[spree2kawhi]

KAT is the better scorer, 3 pt shooter and rebounder. He has plenty of value and there are some teams that could value him over JJJ.

It has to be some team that doesn't care about defense.

I'm sure there are some takers. I mean, the Knicks traded for KAT and the mavericks traded for AD.

Has to be a couple of other dumb teams left. Unfortunately I don't think the Bucks are one of them.

I might trade OG forJJJ, but actually not KAT.

I was on the trade for JJJ bandwagon but after getting another close look at him the other day, no thanks.
And even OG I'd question, because OG guards 4,3,2,5 and 1 but JJJ looks more comfortable guarding 4/5

Knicks either trade for Giannis or they are stuck with this Bronze Treadmill team.

J j j for kat can work in some situations , especially when it's expanded to 3 teams .

And especially if you want to downgrade

you all cannot be serious. This team is moving the ball so well because he is here. He is an incredible passer, unselfish, best floor-spacing big in the league. Spacing affects passing too. Shot-selection affects ball-movement too. This new team passes so well because our new PF won’t stop the ball. The numbers may currently be down, but he is the key to what we’re doing on offense. All trades except for Giannis will be downgrades. Sit back, relax.

[JayTWill]

I have never entertained the idea of trading for Giannis because I don't think they have the assets to acquire him without hitting the roster but I have recently wondered about what this team would look like if they actually traded both KAT and Brunson for Giannis and Turner + filler.

Deuce/Mikal/OG/Giannis/Turner vs Brunson/Mikal/OG/KAT/Mitch.

The first group is far better defensively with great spacing around Giannis but lacks creators. The second group has a better on ball creator and better 2nd option with worse defense. Who wins in a 5 on 5?

[robillionaire]

The deal is still OG Mitch and one of Kolek or Dadiet for Anthony Davis and hope to catch lightning in a bottle for the chip. It’s win now or never. I might email Leon myself if he hasn’t figured it out yet

[thebuzzardman]

I am not sure If KAT holds too much trade value.
- He is a flight risk because he will be an expiring next Season. Especially for small markets.
- He has a huge salary for a non top 15 player in the League. Especially with the new CBA.
- He is a defensiva liability and teams usually uses center as rim protectors. As PF he is not as productive.
- He is 30 Years old already. And agile bigs are usually injury prone. .

Awesome hopefully he’s here forever

I hope so. I enjoy the suffering he's bringing.

[thebuzzardman]

The deal is still OG Mitch and one of Kolek or Dadiet for Anthony Davis and hope to catch lightning in a bottle for the chip. It’s win now or never. I might email Leon myself if he hasn’t figured it out yet

AD is entering late career Bill Walton territory.

[pieguyxx]

The deal is still OG Mitch and one of Kolek or Dadiet for Anthony Davis and hope to catch lightning in a bottle for the chip. It’s win now or never. I might email Leon myself if he hasn’t figured it out yet

ust read AD at risk for achilles tear? no deal then

[thebuzzardman]

The deal is still OG Mitch and one of Kolek or Dadiet for Anthony Davis and hope to catch lightning in a bottle for the chip. It’s win now or never. I might email Leon myself if he hasn’t figured it out yet

ust read AD at risk for achilles tear? no deal then

Would be cool if we could revisit the past and make a trade stupider than the one Nico did. We used to lead the league in that when Isiah was here. This move would be very nostalgic. Who doesn't want to revisit the glory days of the past? Americans love that sh*t. Let's do it!

[RHODEY]

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[robillionaire]

The deal is still OG Mitch and one of Kolek or Dadiet for Anthony Davis and hope to catch lightning in a bottle for the chip. It’s win now or never. I might email Leon myself if he hasn’t figured it out yet

AD is entering late career Bill Walton territory.

Walton was the missing piece to the 1986 Celtics championship run so the comparison works get it done Leon

[seren]

Since we are trading KAT now, how about KAT for Antonio McDyess?

[thebuzzardman]

The deal is still OG Mitch and one of Kolek or Dadiet for Anthony Davis and hope to catch lightning in a bottle for the chip. It’s win now or never. I might email Leon myself if he hasn’t figured it out yet

AD is entering late career Bill Walton territory.

Walton was the missing piece to the 1986 Celtics championship run so the comparison works get it done Leon

Knicks don’t have Bird and McHale

[robillionaire]

The deal is still OG Mitch and one of Kolek or Dadiet for Anthony Davis and hope to catch lightning in a bottle for the chip. It’s win now or never. I might email Leon myself if he hasn’t figured it out yet

So just like clockwork OG is now injured. OG is a good player but he makes 50M a year and at the end of the day is unreliable. Mitch is also unreliable. We are losing virtually nothing by taking a swing at AD. OG+Mitch+Kolek -> AD

[Moose]

The deal is still OG Mitch and one of Kolek or Dadiet for Anthony Davis and hope to catch lightning in a bottle for the chip. It’s win now or never. I might email Leon myself if he hasn’t figured it out yet

So just like clockwork OG is now injured. OG is a good player but he makes 50M a year and at the end of the day is unreliable. Mitch is also unreliable. We are losing virtually nothing by taking a swing at AD. OG+Mitch+Kolek -> AD

But AD is also unreliable. And getting older.

[RHODEY]

The deal is still OG Mitch and one of Kolek or Dadiet for Anthony Davis and hope to catch lightning in a bottle for the chip. It’s win now or never. I might email Leon myself if he hasn’t figured it out yet

So just like clockwork OG is now injured. OG is a good player but he makes 50M a year and at the end of the day is unreliable. Mitch is also unreliable. We are losing virtually nothing by taking a swing at AD. OG+Mitch+Kolek -> AD

To me that should be the Giannis package.....for old broken down AD? F@ck no.

[thebuzzardman]

The deal is still OG Mitch and one of Kolek or Dadiet for Anthony Davis and hope to catch lightning in a bottle for the chip. It’s win now or never. I might email Leon myself if he hasn’t figured it out yet

So just like clockwork OG is now injured. OG is a good player but he makes 50M a year and at the end of the day is unreliable. Mitch is also unreliable. We are losing virtually nothing by taking a swing at AD. OG+Mitch+Kolek -> AD

To me that should be the Giannis package.....for old broken down AD? F@ck no.

Trading Brunson is the way to go

[RHODEY]

So just like clockwork OG is now injured. OG is a good player but he makes 50M a year and at the end of the day is unreliable. Mitch is also unreliable. We are losing virtually nothing by taking a swing at AD. OG+Mitch+Kolek -> AD

To me that should be the Giannis package.....for old broken down AD? F@ck no.

Trading Brunson is the way to go

Niko has doxxed himself.