How long before some on this board start calling for Scottie trade to free up PT for CMB?

[PushDaRock]

Yo - who changed the title of this thread? That is some BS. I started this thread to call out the infatuation that posters have with the newest shiny object. I was making the point that Scottie is a real one and it now looks like I started a thread asking for Scottie to be traded which I have NEVER done.

Too late, deal with it

[raptorforlife88]

Now don't give this crap about it's only one preseason game, I don't want to hear it. We now have years of data on our "franchise" player.

Watching Ingram play brings tears to my eyes, and I'm not even an emotional person. This is what a franchise player looks like. Scottie is just a maxed out role player at this point. We need to trade him and get what we can before he becomes another Gary Trent.

Discuss.

Gary Trent. There are some takes that are so wildly egregious that you can probably dismiss most of what the person has to say. I feel like this qualifies.

And I've someone who's been pretty critical of Scottie's offensive game.

[kalel123]

Yo - who changed the title of this thread? That is some BS. I started this thread to call out the infatuation that posters have with the newest shiny object. I was making the point that Scottie is a real one and it now looks like I started a thread asking for Scottie to be traded which I have NEVER done.

I wonder if your thread got merged with another. I seem to recall some fool (ninjabro maybe?) started a thread with the title asking if it's time to trade Barnes, which later was updated to say it is time.

[HiJiNX]

The top 5 posters on there

No agendas.

[HiJiNX]

i just hope that people can see that yes scottie has the ability to be the best player on the floor in any matchup

This has been obvious his entire career — he’s shown flashes since his second game in the league. The issue with Scottie has been his consistency, which many times has been impacted by other factors (changing roles, teammate transitions, injuries). But context has never mattered in the Scottie conversations.

Anyway, just gotta hope he stays healthy. It’s usually after an injury where his performances start to careen back and forth.

[ATLTimekeeper]

i just hope that people can see that yes scottie has the ability to be the best player on the floor in any matchup

This has been obvious his entire career — he’s shown flashes since his second game in the league. The issue with Scottie has been his consistency, which many times has been impacted by other factors (changing roles, teammate transitions, injuries). But context has never mattered in the Scottie conversations.

Anyway, just gotta hope he stays healthy. It’s usually after an injury where his performances start to careen back and forth.

You guys realize you are saying that Scottie has the ability to be the best player in the league. That is wild.

[tsherkin]

The top 5 posters on there

No agendas.

Hey now.

I've been calling for us to evaluate Scottie in an environment exactly as we have it now. He's starting to play inside a role which makes sense for him and which supports what he's very good at, which I am loving. I was not fond of asking Scottie to be a volume shot generator, because he's not good at all in that role, but the way we've been using him this season thus far has been fantastic! And he's responding nicely.

[Tha Cynic]

I don’t even remember what I did or didn’t say, but it certainly wasn’t “trade Scottie at all costs he sucks”.

As usual, people cherry pick comments to pile on.

I’m hyped the guys playing well. That’s all that really I care about now

FWIW - I went back and read the thread and had my posts quoted, and then RealGM crashed on my mobile.

But in summary I said stuff like:

- If CMB is Scottie 2.0 you should trade Scottie IF (IF!!!) you get an elite player back
- I worried that Scottie’s growth is finished, and that if we could cash out at a good price we should listen
- trades id like would have been a Sabonis / Halliburton type thing if you could get a young up and coming stud who fits us better (so, Barnes for a young stud guard really)
- I said his offense historically has been a net negative (not untrue)
- I also said things like I’d be happy if he even was a 15/8/6 type guy with elite defence, and my #1 concern I expressed multiple times was his tendency to float in and out of games and lack effort. IIRC, I said that 15/8/6 with good effort consistently is a “hell of a player”.
- then Moneyball argued with me if ORTG or another box score stat was actually a box score stat or not (spoiler - it still is lol).

So no - I never advocated we trade Scottie. I said we do it for an elite player, or a stud younger player at a position of need

And then this year so far he’s improve on pretty much every grievance I had with the guy and I’m happy to see the growth. I’m not a guy who has to much pride to admit I was wrong, and Scottie is giving the effort in a way I wa uncertain he ever woukd. Granted, 11 games, lots of season left, but great early returns.

Yes, if CMB is a less athletic, less talented but more consistent version of Scottie, then yes do trade Scottie for that young talented PG or PG
However, i do not know of such a player that's available.

CMB has barely even played to make any assertions about him, especially about whether he will be able to replace your team’s best player. You may as well say the same about anyone at this point. We’re a couple of years away from this rule of talk lol

[HiJiNX]

The top 5 posters on there

No agendas.

Hey now.

I've been calling for us to evaluate Scottie in an environment exactly as we have it now. He's starting to play inside a role which makes sense for him and which supports what he's very good at, which I am loving. I was not fond of asking Scottie to be a volume shot generator, because he's not good at all in that role, but the way we've been using him this season thus far has been fantastic! And he's responding nicely.

Haha I like you because you’re reasonable.

I absolutely agree that trying to turn Scottie into a shoot first scorer was a poor experiment but that’s how this team spent the second half of last season. He’s always been a guy you want to put some good scorers around because he just wants to play defence, pass, and score when it’s easy.

[HiJiNX]

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[MoneyBall]

I love Scottie but they have to consider it and quickly tbh…

It’s incredibly likely that his scoring numbers are gonna regress this season (and moving forward) so his contract will not look good. Right now he still has a decent perceived value.

Obviously the issue is which players are available?! Guys like Giannis and Booker are gonna get a plethora of trade packages thrown at their franchises so it’s obv not a slam dunk that we’d get one of them. The rest of the names ie/ LaMelo, Trae, Ja etc have their own question marks. Push comes to shove I’d probably do it for Ja or LaMelo. They’re not perfect but they can be legit stars but I obviously don’t love those moves either.

I wonder how probability was calculated on this one.

[tsherkin]

Haha I like you because you’re reasonable.

I know a few people I should have you say that too xD

I absolutely agree that trying to turn Scottie into a shoot first scorer was a poor experiment but that’s how this team spent the second half of last season. He’s always been a guy you want to put some good scorers around because he just wants to play defence, pass, and score when it’s easy.

Scottie's like a Swiss Army knife. His strength comes in his diversity of contribution. We know what he can't do, but we do also have a strong idea of what he's very good at, the things which made people high on him in the first place. I love seeing when he's aggressive, and while that's somewhat inconsistent, you can see he's pushing the ball off DRBs well like always, and that he's getting to his spaces and generally doing good things. And even when some of his shooting regresses a little, he's still going to look awesome as like an 18/8/5 player who is adding large defensive value for us.

This is the Scottie I've been hoping to see for a while, and I really hope it continues!

[bluerap23]

i just hope that people can see that yes scottie has the ability to be the best player on the floor in any matchup

This has been obvious his entire career — he’s shown flashes since his second game in the league. The issue with Scottie has been his consistency, which many times has been impacted by other factors (changing roles, teammate transitions, injuries). But context has never mattered in the Scottie conversations.

Anyway, just gotta hope he stays healthy. It’s usually after an injury where his performances start to careen back and forth.

Agree. We need Scottie to play with this intensity all the time. I'm kinda hoping we'll bring KL in as an assistant coach next year with the sole responsibility of getting Scottie to play with KL intensity.

[MoneyBall]

welll, scoring 1, 7, and 10 points, averaging 6 points over 3 games was quite concerning to be honest

now, if was averaging 10-12 pts sure

Concerning only to people who can't see the forest from the trees

What exactly is being missed?

Narrator: He would, in fact, soon realize exactly what was being missed.

[Shakril]

The top 5 posters on there

No agendas.

Damn, some guys really have too much time on their hands....

[Shakril]

i just hope that people can see that yes scottie has the ability to be the best player on the floor in any matchup

This has been obvious his entire career — he’s shown flashes since his second game in the league. The issue with Scottie has been his consistency, which many times has been impacted by other factors (changing roles, teammate transitions, injuries). But context has never mattered in the Scottie conversations.

Anyway, just gotta hope he stays healthy. It’s usually after an injury where his performances start to careen back and forth.

Yeah - this.

Scottie always has streches of games were he is brilliant and then falls down to earth. In the end we need this scottie, we had against cleveland.

We have two players on our team that cant be injured for a longer period of time and Scottie is on of them.

[TimeForChange]

Concerning only to people who can't see the forest from the trees

What exactly is being missed?

Narrator: He would, in fact, soon realize exactly what was being missed.

[bargs4mvp]

Scottie finally has some talent around him that’s semi healthy and he’s thriving. Yeah doesn’t take a genius to see he’s the most influent player on this team on both ends. Man’s literally a baby magic passing the ball while looking like prime Ed reed free safety on defense.


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[YogurtProducer]

Concerning only to people who can't see the forest from the trees

What exactly is being missed?

Narrator: He would, in fact, soon realize exactly what was being missed.

And what was that exactly?

A guy mentioned he struggled for a set of games. I hope Scottie maintains his current level, but this wouldn’t be the first time he has a great set of games.

His problem always has been consistency, and was pretty much the main complaint I ever had. Let’s see if he’s actually fixed that issue before taking victory laps and consider the issue fixed.

As a guy posted like 5 posts up, he’s put up huge numbers before. Hes also put up putrid numbers. Let’s just hope the big ones stick around this time.

[anotherhomer]

What exactly is being missed?

Narrator: He would, in fact, soon realize exactly what was being missed.

And what was that exactly?

A guy mentioned he struggled for a set of games. I hope Scottie maintains his current level, but this wouldn’t be the first time he has a great set of games.

His problem always has been consistency, and was pretty much the main complaint I ever had. Let’s see if he’s actually fixed that issue before taking victory laps and consider the issue fixed.

As a guy posted like 5 posts up, he’s put up huge numbers before. Hes also put up putrid numbers. Let’s just hope the big ones stick around this time.

i guess, does he maintain the 23 pp/8 rrb/5 assist with 40% 3 pt shooting or regress to 17 pt/7 rebounds/4 assist wiht 25% 3-pt shooting, not the worst thing, but more of an Aaron Gordon lite