2025-26 Season News & Discussion

[Ghost of Kleine]

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We should be discussing this. Let the Grayson Allen stuff rest. Honestly ... he is the point guard for the team half of the time and takes immense pressure off Booker.

Grayson is a clear number 2 or 3 option on a top 10 offensive team in the league. Anybody saying his value is only a 1st round pick is smoking mushrooms. Grayson has always deferred to three other players Giannis/Holiday/Middleton or Booker/Durant/Beal. He is getting his opportunity finally and is showing he is more than capable. Career highs in 3 point attempts, field goal attempts, free throw attempts, assists, and steals. His smarts, toughness, and gravity would be difficult to replace.

Not saying we should absolutely trade him, although he will be our greatest value asset to return actual value in either a player or draft assets. And obviously there's legitimate merits to both arguments given our current situation.

I'm curious as to what you'd view his trade value (threshold value) actually being (all things considered).

[bigfoot]

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We should be discussing this. Let the Grayson Allen stuff rest. Honestly ... he is the point guard for the team half of the time and takes immense pressure off Booker.

Grayson is a clear number 2 or 3 option on a top 10 offensive team in the league. Anybody saying his value is only a 1st round pick is smoking mushrooms. Grayson has always deferred to three other players Giannis/Holiday/Middleton or Booker/Durant/Beal. He is getting his opportunity finally and is showing he is more than capable. Career highs in 3 point attempts, field goal attempts, free throw attempts, assists, and steals. His smarts, toughness, and gravity would be difficult to replace.

Not saying we should absolutely trade him, although he will be our greatest value asset to return actual value in either a player or draft assets. And obviously there's legitimate merits to both arguments given our current situation.

I'm curious as to what you'd view his trade value (threshold value) actually being (all things considered).

Something on the order of the Pascal Siakam trade from the Raptors to Pacers is good starting point. People say the Pacers fleeced the Raptors. The Raptors got two 1sts and a pick swap, Bruce Brown, and two other young players no longer in the league. Bruce Brown and some draft capital got flipped for Ingram. You don't give up a quality starter and possible 2nd/3rd best player on the team for a couple of potential draft picks unless your record is really bad.

[Ghost of Kleine]

We should be discussing this. Let the Grayson Allen stuff rest. Honestly ... he is the point guard for the team half of the time and takes immense pressure off Booker.

Grayson is a clear number 2 or 3 option on a top 10 offensive team in the league. Anybody saying his value is only a 1st round pick is smoking mushrooms. Grayson has always deferred to three other players Giannis/Holiday/Middleton or Booker/Durant/Beal. He is getting his opportunity finally and is showing he is more than capable. Career highs in 3 point attempts, field goal attempts, free throw attempts, assists, and steals. His smarts, toughness, and gravity would be difficult to replace.

Not saying we should absolutely trade him, although he will be our greatest value asset to return actual value in either a player or draft assets. And obviously there's legitimate merits to both arguments given our current situation.

I'm curious as to what you'd view his trade value (threshold value) actually being (all things considered).

Something on the order of the Pascal Siakam trade from the Raptors to Pacers is good starting point. People say the Pacers fleeced the Raptors. The Raptors got two 1sts and a pick swap, Bruce Brown, and two other young players no longer in the league. Bruce Brown and some draft capital got flipped for Ingram. You don't give up a quality starter and possible 2nd/3rd best player on the team for a couple of potential draft picks unless your record is really bad.

Wow! 2 1sts and a swap for Allen? I'm a definite fan of Allen and see him as a key piece to our team. But that does seem very optimistic in terms of return value man.

I'd be ecstatic though to get that kind of return for him if that is actually his percieved consensus value. I'm really on the fence about wanting to keep him though as I do really value him for his impact!

But I'm also intrigued if his hypothetical value could return this level of assets via trade considering our very severe lack of legitimate assets to make any legitimate roster moves/ upgrades for the coming half decade.

[bigfoot]

Not saying we should absolutely trade him, although he will be our greatest value asset to return actual value in either a player or draft assets. And obviously there's legitimate merits to both arguments given our current situation.

I'm curious as to what you'd view his trade value (threshold value) actually being (all things considered).

Something on the order of the Pascal Siakam trade from the Raptors to Pacers is good starting point. People say the Pacers fleeced the Raptors. The Raptors got two 1sts and a pick swap, Bruce Brown, and two other young players no longer in the league. Bruce Brown and some draft capital got flipped for Ingram. You don't give up a quality starter and possible 2nd/3rd best player on the team for a couple of potential draft picks unless your record is really bad.

Wow! 2 1sts and a swap for Allen? I'm a definite fan of Allen and see him as a key piece to our team. But that does seem very optimistic in terms of return value man.

I'd be ecstatic though to get that kind of return for him if that is actually his percieved consensus value. I'm really on the fence about wanting to keep him though as I do really value him for his impact!

But I'm also intrigued if his hypothetical value could return this level of assets via trade considering our very severe lack of legitimate assets to make any legitimate roster moves/ upgrades for the coming half decade.

If a superstar nets 4 1st rounders and 4 swaps and two young players why wouldn't a starter net half of that.

[NapoleonII]

Come on guys.

None of those assets would be guaranteed to bring half of the impact Allen is currently bringing to the team.

18.5 ppg on greater than 40% shooting from 3 does NOT just grow on trees.

His shooting brings about 75-80% of a prime Klay Thompson's offense to the table, with obviously less size and defense but a little more playmaking and handles. At a much lower cost.

A bird in the hand...

[bigfoot]

Come on guys.

None of those assets would be guaranteed to bring half of the impact Allen is currently bringing to the team.

18.5 ppg on greater than 40% shooting from 3 does NOT just grow on trees.

His shooting brings about 75-80% of a prime Klay Thompson's offense to the table, with obviously less size and defense but a little more playmaking and handles. At a much lower cost.

A bird in the hand...

100% agreed. Grayson is a keeper. Any trade talk should bring back a large haul in draft capital. In fact we shouldn't even worry about trades until 30 games into the season. Then it would be based on where the team stands.

[enigmatics]

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He's been playing well but we should sell high and try to get future draft capital given our lack of draft assets until 2032.

Once Green comes back that will leave a logjam at SG so we won't need to rely heavily on him unless Green turns out to be injury prone for the rest of his career.

With a hammy already it's all but certain JG will have his injury issues (especially this year).

If the Suns are looking competent and they're in the playoff hunt by the ASB there is no way in hell Suns brass are going to purposely derail the momo and potential postseason sales. Not to mention it would likely piss off Book.

I'm someone who's all for selling high and thought he should have been dealt after his first year in PHX - but there's a DNA to this current version of the Suns that is looking very palatable. If things continue as they are - unless the offer is an absolutely insane overpay you wait til the offseason to assess it.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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He's been playing well but we should sell high and try to get future draft capital given our lack of draft assets until 2032.

Once Green comes back that will leave a logjam at SG so we won't need to rely heavily on him unless Green turns out to be injury prone for the rest of his career.

With a hammy already it's all but certain JG will have his injury issues (especially this year).

If the Suns are looking competent and they're in the playoff hunt by the ASB there is no way in hell Suns brass are going to purposely derail the momo and potential postseason sales. Not to mention it would likely piss off Book.

I'm someone who's all for selling high and thought he should have been dealt after his first year in PHX - but there's a DNA to this current version of the Suns that is looking very palatable. If things continue as they are - unless the offer is an absolutely insane overpay you wait til the offseason to assess it.

Reassess everything at the end of the season, but before the draft if possible.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Something on the order of the Pascal Siakam trade from the Raptors to Pacers is good starting point. People say the Pacers fleeced the Raptors. The Raptors got two 1sts and a pick swap, Bruce Brown, and two other young players no longer in the league. Bruce Brown and some draft capital got flipped for Ingram. You don't give up a quality starter and possible 2nd/3rd best player on the team for a couple of potential draft picks unless your record is really bad.

Wow! 2 1sts and a swap for Allen? I'm a definite fan of Allen and see him as a key piece to our team. But that does seem very optimistic in terms of return value man.

I'd be ecstatic though to get that kind of return for him if that is actually his percieved consensus value. I'm really on the fence about wanting to keep him though as I do really value him for his impact!

But I'm also intrigued if his hypothetical value could return this level of assets via trade considering our very severe lack of legitimate assets to make any legitimate roster moves/ upgrades for the coming half decade.

If a superstar nets 4 1st rounders and 4 swaps and two young players why wouldn't a starter net half of that.

All depends upon market value perception and demand I suppose. But I'd definitely hope that he could return that much value honestly.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Lol! Ouch. Imagine if Luka gets him in shape and producing like this regularly?

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[Ghost of Kleine]

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Scouting the ASU game maybe??

I really hope that they were scouting Xavier Booker ( UCLA) or Montiejus Krivus (Arizona).

Xavier Booker is 6'11 very long ( PF/C) that has a 7'6 wingspan and plays very similarly to Anthony Davis. He's still fairly raw, but he's got sky high potential. He also played briefly for Michigan state.

Montiejus Krivus is a big thick 7'2 center with a solid low post game, soft touch around the rim, and is a good rebounder too.

It's always great diligence to be scouting, even this early on to find legitimate under the radar steals for the draft.

[Qwigglez]

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Lol! Ouch. Imagine if Luka gets him in shape and producing like this regularly?

Legit don't care anymore because of Mark Williams. I was pretty upset trading DA for slob Nurkic for quite a while. But having Mark Williams makes me feel so much better.

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Lol! Ouch. Imagine if Luka gets him in shape and producing like this regularly?

Legit don't care anymore because of Mark Williams. I was pretty upset trading DA for slob Nurkic for quite a while. But having Mark Williams makes me feel so much better.

Nurk was a disaster having to attach a pick to get rid of him. At least Allen is looking great this season. Both Mark and Ayton in contract years and both of them offer some risk with physical or mental lack of reliability.

Talking about ex-Suns Shamet with 36pts tonight.

[NapoleonII]

It’s contract season for Ayton.

Don’t overthink it.

He’s playing for that 3 year 25m contract some dumb Eastern conference team is going to give him. My bet is Charlotte or Miami.

[KdoubleDees23]

Bobby Portis is only getting 15 mpg for the Bucks. Would you trade for him?

[Saberestar]

Bobby Portis is only getting 15 mpg for the Bucks. Would you trade for him?

No.

[KdoubleDees23]

Bobby Portis is only getting 15 mpg for the Bucks. Would you trade for him?

No.

Why not , would be an upgrade

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Think he'd accept an assistant coaching position to come back home?