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[dobrojim]

And remember he's only 19 yo. Expect him to fill out and get stronger, maybe even longer too.

[tontoz]

The strength of Tre's game is hitting 3s on the move. He can hit them moving either direction off the catch or off the dribble. With his quick/high release he can make them when contested too. The problem is that they really aren't setting off ball screens for him. He frequently catches the ball way behind the line.

It is a tank year so whatever.

And... he can finish at the rim (.714 from 0 to 3 feet). So, when they do start running plays for him they won't be able to be too aggressive because he can just back cut.

he doesn't really get to the rim much because he isn't very quick. He is good from midrange and i expect him to develop his game more from 3-10 feet. Teams will have to respect his shot which will allow him to get into the lane a lot.

What he needs to learn is to get rid of the ball quickly when he dribbles into traffic. That is where many of his turnovers come from. He isn't athletic enough to get through traffic and score consistently.

[dckingsfan]

The strength of Tre's game is hitting 3s on the move. He can hit them moving either direction off the catch or off the dribble. With his quick/high release he can make them when contested too. The problem is that they really aren't setting off ball screens for him. He frequently catches the ball way behind the line.

It is a tank year so whatever.

And... he can finish at the rim (.714 from 0 to 3 feet). So, when they do start running plays for him they won't be able to be too aggressive because he can just back cut.

he doesn't really get to the rim much because he isn't very quick. He is good from midrange and i expect him to develop his game more from 3-10 feet. Teams will have to respect his shot which will allow him to get into the lane a lot.

What he needs to learn is to get rid of the ball quickly when he dribbles into traffic. That is where many of his turnovers come from. He isn't athletic enough to get through traffic and score consistently.

Good points all. My point is that he can finish so the defender will need to watch both for side and back screens. A much more difficult cover than a straight 3 point shooter.

[tontoz]

Currently only 6.2% of Tre's attempts are at the rim so I don't think the defense will worry much about it until that number goes up.

[WizarDynasty]

Is it too much to ask.for an an engine, frustration with a monopolistic system between billionaires.

[Frichuela]

Tre has as many blocks as Derik Queen and more than the bigger Coward and Murray Boyles

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[tontoz]

Is it too much to ask.for an an engine, frustration with a monopolistic system between billionaires.

This is not the type of defensive effort I want from a C.

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Friendly reminder that Richard Earl “Tre” Johnson III is shooting 40% on 3s as a rookie, all while playing with zero point guards and the Wizards refusing to give him open shots off screens or anything.

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Friendly reminder that Richard Earl “Tre” Johnson III is shooting 40% on 3s as a rookie, all while playing with zero point guards and the Wizards refusing to give him open shots off screens or anything.

True.

But if we can point to one number, then we can also point to other numbers: his 2pt % is at .467. He's got more turnovers than assists... etc.

I'm not trying to ding the kid. He's still only 19...! We'll see how he does, but for the moment there's no reason to talk him up.

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When looking at 19 year old rookies I tend to look at things they do well already as I'm assuming he'll improve over time. Seems likely don't you think. No one is expecting a rookie to be good yet.

[Northwest Roddy]

Is it too much to ask.for an an engine, frustration with a monopolistic system between billionaires.

Keep the faith Wiz D. We are getting our engine next June!

[TheBlackCzar]

Friendly reminder that Richard Earl “Tre” Johnson III is shooting 40% on 3s as a rookie, all while playing with zero point guards and the Wizards refusing to give him open shots off screens or anything.

True.

But if we can point to one number, then we can also point to other numbers: his 2pt % is at .467. He's got more turnovers than assists... etc.

I'm not trying to ding the kid. He's still only 19...! We'll see how he does, but for the moment there's no reason to talk him up.

Most physically underdeveloped rookies don't shoot 50% or higher as rookies... Especially guards...
And this idea of his lack of quickness is very overstated...
He has to adjust to the superior size and speed of the league, for sure, but he'll get better with more strength...
Sarr being a prime example to look at...
I said all last year once he got stronger he'd look much better, and kept pointing to his older brother as proof his build would let him get bigger.....
I think Tre's ability to shoot the ball is special, and he can shoot in practically any scenario, so with better strength, better dribble penetration from hopefully a new lead guard, his game should blossom...
I think if Beal could avg 30, why can't Tre at worse top out at 25-28... Maybe even more depending on the situation...

[tontoz]

Friendly reminder that Richard Earl “Tre” Johnson III is shooting 40% on 3s as a rookie, all while playing with zero point guards and the Wizards refusing to give him open shots off screens or anything.

True.

But if we can point to one number, then we can also point to other numbers: his 2pt % is at .467. He's got more turnovers than assists... etc.

I'm not trying to ding the kid. He's still only 19...! We'll see how he does, but for the moment there's no reason to talk him up.

Most physically underdeveloped rookies don't shoot 50% or higher as rookies... Especially guards...
And this idea of his lack of quickness is very overstated...
He has to adjust to the superior size and speed of the league, for sure, but he'll get better with more strength...
Sarr being a prime example to look at...
I said all last year once he got stronger he'd look much better, and kept pointing to his older brother as proof his build would let him get bigger.....
I think Tre's ability to shoot the ball is special, and he can shoot in practically any scenario, so with better strength, better dribble penetration from hopefully a new lead guard, his game should blossom...
I think if Beal could avg 30, why can't Tre at worse top out at 25-28... Maybe even more depending on the situation...

Sarr shot 45.4% in 2s last year even though he is 7 feet tall and it was his 3rd year as a pro. Kyshawn shot 46.4% on 2s.

I don't see Tre averaging 30. I see him being more of an off ball player whose shooting gravity opens up the floor for everyone else.

A lot of guys can make open 3s. Not many guys can make 3s moving any direction off the catch or off the dribble. That along with his quick, high release will be a big problem for defenses. He also has a nice post game which he used a lot in college but hasn't shown yet with us.

[DCZards]

Yeah…Tre’s ability to shoot is special…off the dribble, trigger quick threes, from midrange, etc. We saw it regularly in college and we’ve seen glimpses of it in the NBA.

[TheBlackCzar]

True.

But if we can point to one number, then we can also point to other numbers: his 2pt % is at .467. He's got more turnovers than assists... etc.

I'm not trying to ding the kid. He's still only 19...! We'll see how he does, but for the moment there's no reason to talk him up.

Most physically underdeveloped rookies don't shoot 50% or higher as rookies... Especially guards...
And this idea of his lack of quickness is very overstated...
He has to adjust to the superior size and speed of the league, for sure, but he'll get better with more strength...
Sarr being a prime example to look at...
I said all last year once he got stronger he'd look much better, and kept pointing to his older brother as proof his build would let him get bigger.....
I think Tre's ability to shoot the ball is special, and he can shoot in practically any scenario, so with better strength, better dribble penetration from hopefully a new lead guard, his game should blossom...
I think if Beal could avg 30, why can't Tre at worse top out at 25-28... Maybe even more depending on the situation...

Sarr shot 45.4% in 2s last year even though he is 7 feet tall and it was his 3rd year as a pro. Kyshawn shot 46.4% on 2s.

I don't see Tre averaging 30. I see him being more of an off ball player whose shooting gravity opens up the floor for everyone else.

A lot of guys can make open 3s. Not many guys can make 3s moving any direction off the catch or off the dribble. That along with his quick, high release will be a big problem for defenses. He also has a nice post game which he used a lot in college but hasn't shown yet with us.

Listen you can be difficult if you want but that French league is not the NBA.... He's 12 games past his rookie season and he was 19....
If this aint self explanatory dunno what to tell ya....

I think I said between 25-28 and Norman Powell has been in that range the past 2 seasons... I think Tre is going to be better than Norman has been.....

[tontoz]

Most physically underdeveloped rookies don't shoot 50% or higher as rookies... Especially guards...
And this idea of his lack of quickness is very overstated...
He has to adjust to the superior size and speed of the league, for sure, but he'll get better with more strength...
Sarr being a prime example to look at...
I said all last year once he got stronger he'd look much better, and kept pointing to his older brother as proof his build would let him get bigger.....
I think Tre's ability to shoot the ball is special, and he can shoot in practically any scenario, so with better strength, better dribble penetration from hopefully a new lead guard, his game should blossom...
I think if Beal could avg 30, why can't Tre at worse top out at 25-28... Maybe even more depending on the situation...

Sarr shot 45.4% in 2s last year even though he is 7 feet tall and it was his 3rd year as a pro. Kyshawn shot 46.4% on 2s.

I don't see Tre averaging 30. I see him being more of an off ball player whose shooting gravity opens up the floor for everyone else.

A lot of guys can make open 3s. Not many guys can make 3s moving any direction off the catch or off the dribble. That along with his quick, high release will be a big problem for defenses. He also has a nice post game which he used a lot in college but hasn't shown yet with us.

Listen you can be difficult if you want but that French league is not the NBA.... He's 12 games past his rookie season and he was 19....
If this aint self explanatory dunno what to tell ya....

I think I said between 25-28 and Norman Powell has been in that range the past 2 seasons... I think Tre is going to be better than Norman has been.....

Dude, I was agreeing with you lol. That is why I pointed out how bad Sarr and Kyshawn were in 2s last year.

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Limited sample size but the Wizards appear to have drafted 2 guards in back-to-back years that can't pressure on the rim. I like Tre and Bub but this is not a recipe for long term success. Both players will have to improve their ability to attack the rim. And even then, a guard who attacks the rim naturally - i.e. grew up attacking the rim - would still be something I'd be looking for in the draft.

[tontoz]

Limited sample size but the Wizards appear to have drafted 2 guards in back-to-back years that can't pressure on the rim. I like Tre and Bub but this is not a recipe for long term success. Both players will have to improve their ability to attack the rim. And even then, a guard who attacks the rim naturally - i.e. grew up attacking the rim - would still be something I'd be looking for in the draft.

Not sure where they are getting that from. Bbref has 22% of his shots from midrange.

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Limited sample size but the Wizards appear to have drafted 2 guards in back-to-back years that can't pressure on the rim. I like Tre and Bub but this is not a recipe for long term success. Both players will have to improve their ability to attack the rim. And even then, a guard who attacks the rim naturally - i.e. grew up attacking the rim - would still be something I'd be looking for in the draft.

Not sure where they are getting that from. Bbref has 22% of his shots from midrange.

I think he's adding in 3-10 feet also. Don't think that's fair imo. But if I had one concern about Tre pre draft it was his ability to get to the rim. It'll be interesting to see how this aspect of his game develops. Like I posted in the Bub thread, paint touches are so important for guards because it forces the defense to help/scramble. I'd love to see statistics on points per possesion with a paint touch vs. without. The reason I don't like his argument is that if you're getting 3.5 feet to the rim that accomplishes the goal of forcing the defense to help.