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Post#421 » by jbk1234 » Yesterday 4:29 pm

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Maybe I'm missing something, but how do you conclude they were willing to sell low based on that list of teams?

Think more so timing and fact they was calling teams. Pre injury he was playing at mvp level. Not something you call teams about unless more going on behind the scenes.

There is a path that they was asking for Giannis , Mitchell or Tatum. But think realistically i don’t think cavs , bucks and Celtics had firsts to offers and were doing too well to trade a rotation piece.


Considering, LAL was able to steal Luka…

I think it would be seen as possible that LA called asking about other stars with a similar trade? They had another first to add that Nico was unable to get..


He was unable to get it because Luka didn't know he was on the block and Nico didn't want Luka to know. You can think of that what you will, but Luka would not be the first star to blow up a trade and tank his value by telling trade partners he won't extend.
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Post#422 » by jayjaysee » Yesterday 5:06 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
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kobe_vs_jordan wrote:Think more so timing and fact they was calling teams. Pre injury he was playing at mvp level. Not something you call teams about unless more going on behind the scenes.

There is a path that they was asking for Giannis , Mitchell or Tatum. But think realistically i don’t think cavs , bucks and Celtics had firsts to offers and were doing too well to trade a rotation piece.


Considering, LAL was able to steal Luka…

I think it would be seen as possible that LA called asking about other stars with a similar trade? They had another first to add that Nico was unable to get..


He was unable to get it because Luka didn't know he was on the block and Nico didn't want Luka to know. You can think of that what you will, but Luka would not be the first star to blow up a trade and tank his value by telling trade partners he won't extend.


While that specifically might be true.. A competent GM would have got an extra first or (obviously) would have created a market versus what Nico/LAL did.

But on topic, the LA news/rumor to me would seem like LA was done with AD and they were just calling around and offering AD+ for a younger star. And most teams laughed, as they should.. Until one unfortunately did not?

That’s all my take is. I don’t see how LA called Milwaukee and it wasn’t about Giannis. Or Cleveland and it wasn’t about Mitchell or Mobley. Those ideas sound ridiculous, until you remember AD was traded for Luka during that time frame.
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Post#423 » by kobe_vs_jordan » Yesterday 5:12 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
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Maybe I'm missing something, but how do you conclude they were willing to sell low based on that list of teams?

Think more so timing and fact they was calling teams. Pre injury he was playing at mvp level. Not something you call teams about unless more going on behind the scenes.

There is a path that they was asking for Giannis , Mitchell or Tatum. But think realistically i don’t think cavs , bucks and Celtics had firsts to offers and were doing too well to trade a rotation piece.


Wait, do you think asking for Tatum, Mitchell, or Giannis was selling *low* on AD?

No i do not. But those players are the non sell low path. They were calling teams with limited financial flexibility and actually tradable assets.
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Post#424 » by kobe_vs_jordan » Yesterday 5:15 pm

jayjaysee wrote:
kobe_vs_jordan wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
Maybe I'm missing something, but how do you conclude they were willing to sell low based on that list of teams?

Think more so timing and fact they was calling teams. Pre injury he was playing at mvp level. Not something you call teams about unless more going on behind the scenes.

There is a path that they was asking for Giannis , Mitchell or Tatum. But think realistically i don’t think cavs , bucks and Celtics had firsts to offers and were doing too well to trade a rotation piece.


Considering, LAL was able to steal Luka…

I think it would be seen as possible that LA called asking about other stars with a similar trade? They had another first to add that Nico was unable to get..

Think it was more luck of failing upwards. Rob didn’t reach out to Nico. Nico called him.

Nico heard AD was for traded and over bidded. Probably could had AD for a non Luka deal. Boston, Celtics and Cavs already told lakers no.
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Post#425 » by jayjaysee » Yesterday 5:32 pm

kobe_vs_jordan wrote:
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kobe_vs_jordan wrote:Think more so timing and fact they was calling teams. Pre injury he was playing at mvp level. Not something you call teams about unless more going on behind the scenes.

There is a path that they was asking for Giannis , Mitchell or Tatum. But think realistically i don’t think cavs , bucks and Celtics had firsts to offers and were doing too well to trade a rotation piece.


Considering, LAL was able to steal Luka…

I think it would be seen as possible that LA called asking about other stars with a similar trade? They had another first to add that Nico was unable to get..

Think it was more luck of failing upwards. Rob didn’t reach out to Nico. Nico called him.

Nico heard AD was for traded and over bidded. Probably could had AD for a non Luka deal. Boston, Celtics and Cavs already told lakers no.


We agree on Nico side, I just think LAL was calling those teams looking to upgrade AD. Not LA trying to trade AD at a discount.

The list of teams mentioned happen to have superstars in their primes a few years younger than AD.
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Post#426 » by kobe_vs_jordan » Yesterday 6:01 pm

jayjaysee wrote:
kobe_vs_jordan wrote:
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Considering, LAL was able to steal Luka…

I think it would be seen as possible that LA called asking about other stars with a similar trade? They had another first to add that Nico was unable to get..

Think it was more luck of failing upwards. Rob didn’t reach out to Nico. Nico called him.

Nico heard AD was for traded and over bidded. Probably could had AD for a non Luka deal. Boston, Celtics and Cavs already told lakers no.


We agree on Nico side, I just think LAL was calling those teams looking to upgrade AD. Not LA trying to trade AD at a discount.

The list of teams mentioned happen to have superstars in their primes a few years younger than AD.


Possibly. But the time to upgrade AD would been the summer time where you can balance the roster imo.
Tough sell to ask for a team young star and the teams are looking like contenders in first half of the season.

Seem like behind the scene issues when you make trade calls for a guy that was playing like he was.

If Luka trade didn’t exist , i would guess lakers would had started this season without both LeBron and AD.
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Post#427 » by jayjaysee » Yesterday 7:05 pm

Anyone falling for Brandon Williams? Want to try to call him a super cheap, useful backup point guard for the season? Some expensive team that could use him for 15-20mpg? Not pretending he has a bunch of value, but any at all? Minnesota thread made me think of it..

Some feel like at 26 years old he should be kept in Dallas after this season.. I just think Kyrie is going to be the starting guard next season, hopefully a rookie guard is drafted and you have Nembhard as the long shot young guard..

I understand Dallas shouldn’t be trading guards. But that doesn’t matter this season. Kidd is doing a very good job so far this season.
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Post#428 » by babyjax13 » Yesterday 7:48 pm

I will eat my crow on McDaniels, the volume has finally increased and he is fantastic next to Ant.
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