Fox going to alienate Wemby?

[SA37]

Doomsday hot-takes are all the rage, it appears.

The Spurs are in an envious position of having a lot of high quality talent. The issue with having tons of young players is they're generally all shooting to drive up their value and maximizing their game to earn contracts, not to take a backseat and take one for the team. That just goes with the territory, but you couldn't ask for a better organization to manage the team as they progress.

San Antonio will be more than fine.

[LockoutSeason]

At the deadline we could see Fox and his extension sent to Chicago for Vucevic expiring plus Coby White

Fox to Dallas

AD to Chicago

Vucevic and White to San Antonio

[LeBronSpaghetti]

Fox has stated multiple times that he thinks he was brought in specifically to close games for the spurs. Basically, his ego will cost them games.

[Statlanta]

Fox calling his number over and over in the clutch . Wemby basically playing clean up on offensive rebounds

2023 Clutch Player of the Year with Playoff experience against average defenders vs. 3rd year player who's never seen the playoffs against a former DPOY who's been pushing him out of his spots all game.

[hauntedcomputer]

I didn't like the move from the beginning, then they overpaid him, and now they are stuck with a problem.

I figured he would stunt Wemby's development but never dreamed he'd see himself as The Franchise. He'll cost picks to move.

[NYPiston]

Harper is a much better fit with Wemby. The moment they drafted Harper, Fox's days were numbered IMO. The thing is, that contract is going to be hard to move so not sure how they make this work in the short term.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Doomsday hot-takes are all the rage, it appears.

The Spurs are in an envious position of having a lot of high quality talent. The issue with having tons of young players is they're generally all shooting to drive up their value and maximizing their game to earn contracts, not to take a backseat and take one for the team. That just goes with the territory, but you couldn't ask for a better organization to manage the team as they progress.

San Antonio will be more than fine.

Eh, the Spurs haven't done that great of a job putting a team around Wemby. They have 3 primary ball handlers and none of them can shoot reliably, they drafted Sochan over Jalen Duren, Eason and Jalen Williams, and he's clearly not going to be on that team moving forward. Their other lottery pick Bryant from this year doesn't play and also looks like he can't shoot. Vassell is just bad, no real good qualities too, just an inefficient me first player that makes dumb decisions.

It's really just Wemby and Harper, as much as I like Castle he's shooting 22.9% from three. The Spurs are lagging behind other young teams in terms of talent outside their stars.

[Statlanta]

I didn't like the move from the beginning, then they overpaid him, and now they are stuck with a problem.

I figured he would stunt Wemby's development but never dreamed he'd see himself as The Franchise. He'll cost picks to move.

I thought it was a mediocre move but the point guard draft pick pushed it into awful. Now the team is either sacrificing chemistry with Fox(if going win now) or sacrificing development for Castle and Harper(if win in the future). The injuries to the backcourt has granted an excuse but the effects will be more apparent as we progress into the season.

[Tottery]

Not enough of a sample size to say if they work or not. They need about 15-20 games on the court together.

[Wallace_Wallace]

Wembanyama, though versatile, doesn’t have a reliable offensive move. To draw up a shot for him in the clutch would likely yield the same result.

Fox should take the shot earlier to see if Wemby could crash the offensive glass. Other than that, this is the best shot the Spurs at the time.

[Ballings7]

Reviewed.

Typical overreaction thread with various ignorant posts from folks who don't watch/follow the subjected team enough (or at all) (because they don't have the time but are bored on their own), on general board.

Got it.

Let us proceed...

[davidv2001]

It's not just Wemby, Castle was at 19.6 pts on 58.3 ts %, 9 assists/3.1 to, 6 rebs, 2.1 stls with elite defense and a 7.8 +/- in the last 8 games before this game where Fox clearly took over.

They traded for a pretty inefficient first option/second option type of guy who doesn't play defense and is not an elite playmaker, who probably peaked three years ago and is just coming off an injury to his main strength in speed/the hamstrings... and he has had a lot of injuries in recent years.

When you have two young guards with star potential, and you put in a guy on his way down/with arrows pointing downwards/who is very reliant on athleticism & not a great shooter or playmaker... I never liked that trade, and seeing how Castle started playing recently I hate it.

I think Fox is a losing player without his 3pt shot and full athleticism, because his offense is likely not going to be very good to elite because of that lacking this season, playmaking is good but not great and the defense is bad. Is that worth it? You're not beating OKC with him, not even close with an awkward fit with three of your best players in the backcourt against the best backcourt defense in the league.

Why? Just take your time, Rome wasn't built in a day. At least trade for someone better who doesn't have these downward trends and question marks and fits the timeline of Wemby better.
Even if he plays at like a better but not elite 25-26 pts on 57 ts % with 7 ast/3 to and bad defense, you're now losing back2back to the Warriors with 100 years old Curry dumpstering you with scrubs all around him doing nothing, who got completely silenced by OKC just recently.

I don't think they beat the Rockets, Nuggets or Wolves, never mind OKC after that.

Damn I really think they **** up and should have been more patient, but maybe Fox all of a sudden gets his full athleticism and shooting back (hasn't been there since 23-24) but I am not liking what I am seeing early at least.

Even if Fox plays better, which he will, is it going to be enough? And was that worth it to stop the minutes and development of Castle & Harper? I don't think so.
Imagine if they had a PF that could shoot and play some defense in the mold of Lauri Markkanen?
Wemby
Markkanen
Barnes
Harper
Castle

I don't know, just throwing out ideas, a lot of people questioned this trade at the time... we'll see, I am just not sold on Fox being this All NBA player that can carry you in the playoffs against so many great teams in the west.

At the time the trade made sense, I think. But seeing how the Spurs started the season without him and the development of Castle, you could definitely say it would have been better to stay the course. Hindsight is 20/20 though.

Hindsight is always 20/20. When the Spurs traded for Fox, they probably expected to win more games after the All-Star Break and push themselves out of the top of the lottery. Instead, Wemby gets a blood clot and Fox has surgery on his ailing thumb. Then, they move up in the lottery and get Dylan Harper. Now, because they have Harper and Castle, people feel like Fox is redundant, and he takes shots/touches away from Wemby more than Castle and Harper would.

[CP War Hawks]

Trae Young is really a better fit for Wemby. Fox is talented but not really a Spurs system guy. Fox was just on the trading block and Trae wasn't at the time.

This has me intrigued actually how would Fox fit in atlanta with the team we built now compared to Trae?

Is Trae worth more or less than Fox and if so how many picks more or less. Would it be worth it to try and trade Trae for Fox and then the Hawks try to get some picks back we gave them if he is worth more?

No. No shot hawks touch Fox’s contract.

Precisely, and small score first pgs are cancerous for the most part.

[Anderson Hunt]

More and more, Fox seems to be the Kirk Cousins of the NBA. Agreed to be paid handsomely only to have his talented replacement drafted soon after -- essentially relegated to a one to two year rental at best.

[SA37]

Doomsday hot-takes are all the rage, it appears.

The Spurs are in an envious position of having a lot of high quality talent. The issue with having tons of young players is they're generally all shooting to drive up their value and maximizing their game to earn contracts, not to take a backseat and take one for the team. That just goes with the territory, but you couldn't ask for a better organization to manage the team as they progress.

San Antonio will be more than fine.

Eh, the Spurs haven't done that great of a job putting a team around Wemby. They have 3 primary ball handlers and none of them can shoot reliably, they drafted Sochan over Jalen Duren, Eason and Jalen Williams, and he's clearly not going to be on that team moving forward. Their other lottery pick Bryant from this year doesn't play and also looks like he can't shoot. Vassell is just bad, no real good qualities too, just an inefficient me first player that makes dumb decisions.

It's really just Wemby and Harper, as much as I like Castle he's shooting 22.9% from three. The Spurs are lagging behind other young teams in terms of talent outside their stars.

Building contenders takes time and isn't always a smooth ride because what can look good on paper may not pan out (look at the 76ers, Clippers, Suns, and Nets in recent years). My take is it is still WAY too early to be declaring the Spurs a disaster zone -- especially when they are 8-4 playing mostly without Sochan and Fox.

You see the glass half empty; I see it half full. Wemby and Castle were a great picks and Harper looks like he could end up being a very good pick. Vassell is a solid SG, and Sochan is a starter in the NBA. Fox, Kornet, Barnes, and CP3 were all very good acquisitions. They're currently 8-4, and lost the last 2 because Steph Curry went wild. Even so, they're on pace for ~55 wins.

That all seems really promising to me.

[Bad Bart]

Fox is a losing player. Always has been. His game sucks, I hardly watched him in Sacramento, but he takes so many mid range shots. I always thought he some hyper athletic slasher, his game is so awkward for a dude that’s supposed to be the fastest guy in the league, his vision is average.

You know what I loved, though? The chemistry between Castle and Wemby is both real and elite. Fox needs to get traded off this team and the king’s Castle

Obviously

[Godymas]

Fox is a losing player. Always has been. His game sucks, I hardly watched him in Sacramento, but he takes so many mid range shots. I always thought he some hyper athletic slasher, his game is so awkward for a dude that’s supposed to be the fastest guy in the league, his vision is average.

You know what I loved, though? The chemistry between Castle and Wemby is both real and elite. Fox needs to get traded off this team and the king’s Castle

Obviously

your one word post is so absolutely useless that instead I'm going to quote some numbers to see if you have any semblance of a triple digit IQ capable of sharing anything insightful.

For his career Fox shoots from the 3-10 foot range for 25% of his total shots. He shoots from that distance more than he finishes at the rim. The only thing he does more of is shoot 3s, but why the hell is he shooting 3s? He literally sucks at making them, he's a career 33% shooter.

An actual mid range god in the modern NBA DeMar DeRozan took 18% of his shots in that 3-10 foot range. So yes, DeAaron Fox clearly shoots in that awkward mid range far higher than almost anyone else. Compare his shot diet to SGA, notice something important? Shai has enough self awareness to realize he sucks at making 3s, so he doesn't take them. DeAaron Fox literally has no clue how he's supposed to play basketball.

[threethehardway]

This has me intrigued actually how would Fox fit in atlanta with the team we built now compared to Trae?

Is Trae worth more or less than Fox and if so how many picks more or less. Would it be worth it to try and trade Trae for Fox and then the Hawks try to get some picks back we gave them if he is worth more?

Trae is worth more than Fox easily.

Fox is a throwback 2000s combo guard like Monta Ellis, who only can provide individual offense at the expense of a team concept.

The Hawks are damned either, with Trae or with Fox, the Hawks aren't going to go far.

If I was the Spurs, I wouldn't trade for Trae because Trae needs to ball to be worth having and the Spurs already have Castle and Harper that provide the necessary playmaking.

De'aaron Fox can't be traded until February 6th. I would trade Fox to Brooklyn for Michael Porter Jr. in the summer so I can come off his contract.

[cpower]

Not enough of a sample size to say if they work or not. They need about 15-20 games on the court together.

he has played around 20 games for Spurs and he was -6 per 100 for them.

[Marvin Martian]

More and more, Fox seems to be the Kirk Cousins of the NBA. Agreed to be paid handsomely only to have his talented replacement drafted soon after -- essentially relegated to a one to two year rental at best.

It's hard to describe Fox's career because the Kings hitched their wagon on him and the Kings passed up on 2 future HOFs in Luka, and Haliburton.

His recent contract might be strike 3, if another real star becomes available

I cannot think of a player that is more overvalued by the NBA community