Fox going to alienate Wemby?

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Re: Fox going to alienate Wemby? 

Post#61 » by BlzMwt » Sat Nov 15, 2025 6:16 pm

SlimShady83 wrote:Fast forward to 39.8 seconds left, Spurs up by 1 Wemby wide open shot and misses ... Sure let's forget about that shall we, it's all on Fox this game lmao.



Did you even watch the video you posted?

You're gonna fault Wemby for taking a wide open mid range jumper and missing it? It was a great look and they don't always fall.

Fox taking contested fadeaways and bricking them with plenty of time left on the shot clock is more of a problem... and I think that should be fairly obvious.
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Re: Fox going to alienate Wemby? 

Post#62 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Sat Nov 15, 2025 7:23 pm

SA37 wrote:
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SA37 wrote:Doomsday hot-takes are all the rage, it appears.

The Spurs are in an envious position of having a lot of high quality talent. The issue with having tons of young players is they're generally all shooting to drive up their value and maximizing their game to earn contracts, not to take a backseat and take one for the team. That just goes with the territory, but you couldn't ask for a better organization to manage the team as they progress.

San Antonio will be more than fine.



Eh, the Spurs haven't done that great of a job putting a team around Wemby. They have 3 primary ball handlers and none of them can shoot reliably, they drafted Sochan over Jalen Duren, Eason and Jalen Williams, and he's clearly not going to be on that team moving forward. Their other lottery pick Bryant from this year doesn't play and also looks like he can't shoot. Vassell is just bad, no real good qualities too, just an inefficient me first player that makes dumb decisions.

It's really just Wemby and Harper, as much as I like Castle he's shooting 22.9% from three. The Spurs are lagging behind other young teams in terms of talent outside their stars.


Building contenders takes time and isn't always a smooth ride because what can look good on paper may not pan out (look at the 76ers, Clippers, Suns, and Nets in recent years). My take is it is still WAY too early to be declaring the Spurs a disaster zone -- especially when they are 8-4 playing mostly without Sochan and Fox.

You see the glass half empty; I see it half full. Wemby and Castle were a great picks and Harper looks like he could end up being a very good pick. Vassell is a solid SG, and Sochan is a starter in the NBA. Fox, Kornet, Barnes, and CP3 were all very good acquisitions. They're currently 8-4, and lost the last 2 because Steph Curry went wild. Even so, they're on pace for ~55 wins.

That all seems really promising to me.



Those teams you're naming didn't have once in a lifetime talents on them, building around Wemby should be simple - get guys that defend & shoot the three, so far they have nobody that can do both of those critical things.

The glass is half full because of Wemby, he's a generational talent and by himself he's going to be good enough to make his teams look better than they are. I like Castle, I love what Harper has shown, outside that they don't have any keepers, and I would be monitoring Castle's shot. Because no matter how good you are as a playmaker or defender, if you can't shoot the three in this league you're going to be a liability against good teams in the playoffs. The rest of their young players - Sochan, Vassell, Johnson are not good, Sochan is virtually unplayable against good teams because you can't have him Fox and Castle on the floor at the same time, there isn't enough shooting to make a defense come out and respect them. Sochan is a center trapped in a power forwards body, he is in no way shape or form a starter on a good team.

Harper is going to be really good, he's going to make Fox redundant, especially if Harper can make the three.
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Re: Fox going to alienate Wemby? 

Post#63 » by SA37 » Sat Nov 15, 2025 7:44 pm

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Eh, the Spurs haven't done that great of a job putting a team around Wemby. They have 3 primary ball handlers and none of them can shoot reliably, they drafted Sochan over Jalen Duren, Eason and Jalen Williams, and he's clearly not going to be on that team moving forward. Their other lottery pick Bryant from this year doesn't play and also looks like he can't shoot. Vassell is just bad, no real good qualities too, just an inefficient me first player that makes dumb decisions.

It's really just Wemby and Harper, as much as I like Castle he's shooting 22.9% from three. The Spurs are lagging behind other young teams in terms of talent outside their stars.


Building contenders takes time and isn't always a smooth ride because what can look good on paper may not pan out (look at the 76ers, Clippers, Suns, and Nets in recent years). My take is it is still WAY too early to be declaring the Spurs a disaster zone -- especially when they are 8-4 playing mostly without Sochan and Fox.

You see the glass half empty; I see it half full. Wemby and Castle were a great picks and Harper looks like he could end up being a very good pick. Vassell is a solid SG, and Sochan is a starter in the NBA. Fox, Kornet, Barnes, and CP3 were all very good acquisitions. They're currently 8-4, and lost the last 2 because Steph Curry went wild. Even so, they're on pace for ~55 wins.

That all seems really promising to me.



Those teams you're naming didn't have once in a lifetime talents on them, building around Wemby should be simple - get guys that defend & shoot the three, so far they have nobody that can do both of those critical things.

The glass is half full because of Wemby, he's a generational talent and by himself he's going to be good enough to make his teams look better than they are. I like Castle, I love what Harper has shown, outside that they don't have any keepers, and I would be monitoring Castle's shot. Because no matter how good you are as a playmaker or defender, if you can't shoot the three in this league you're going to be a liability against good teams in the playoffs. The rest of their young players - Sochan, Vassell, Johnson are not good, Sochan is virtually unplayable against good teams because you can't have him Fox and Castle on the floor at the same time, there isn't enough shooting to make a defense come out and respect them. Sochan is a center trapped in a power forwards body, he is in no way shape or form a starter on a good team.

Harper is going to be really good, he's going to make Fox redundant, especially if Harper can make the three.


Remove Fox and Wemby and I'd still be high on the Spurs and the group they have.

Castle will be fine. Jimmy Butler isn't a great outside shooter and he's had a fabulous, successful career.

How the Spurs' team gels remains to be seen, but they need time, especially given how young they are. Still, I think them being 8-4 -- especially after losing two really close games because the GOAT shooter went wild on them -- is very promising.
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Re: Fox going to alienate Wemby? 

Post#64 » by VanWest82 » Sat Nov 15, 2025 7:50 pm

Spurs are only on the hook for 260M with Fox. I'm sure it'll work out.
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Re: Fox going to alienate Wemby? 

Post#65 » by Bornstellar » Sat Nov 15, 2025 8:10 pm

The overreaction to a couple games from a guy who is coming back after being injured and not playing for like 8 months is insane
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Re: Fox going to alienate Wemby? 

Post#66 » by Maxthirty » Sat Nov 15, 2025 8:19 pm

VanWest82 wrote:Spurs are only on the hook for 260M with Fox. I'm sure it'll work out.


Madness to pay Fox that much period. But with Wemby on the team… Such a waste.
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Re: Fox going to alienate Wemby? 

Post#67 » by MrBigShot » Sat Nov 15, 2025 9:50 pm

Dunno but Fox has no future in San Antonio.

Issue is that he gets paid like an all nba player and is locked up for 4 years guaranteed. Harper is going to be better than Fox a lot sooner than people think.
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Re: Fox going to alienate Wemby? 

Post#68 » by ShootersShoot » Sat Nov 15, 2025 10:07 pm

Maybe they can package fox and the mavs 2030 for a star forward
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Re: Fox going to alienate Wemby? 

Post#69 » by og15 » Sat Nov 15, 2025 10:46 pm

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
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Eh, the Spurs haven't done that great of a job putting a team around Wemby. They have 3 primary ball handlers and none of them can shoot reliably, they drafted Sochan over Jalen Duren, Eason and Jalen Williams, and he's clearly not going to be on that team moving forward. Their other lottery pick Bryant from this year doesn't play and also looks like he can't shoot. Vassell is just bad, no real good qualities too, just an inefficient me first player that makes dumb decisions.

It's really just Wemby and Harper, as much as I like Castle he's shooting 22.9% from three. The Spurs are lagging behind other young teams in terms of talent outside their stars.


Building contenders takes time and isn't always a smooth ride because what can look good on paper may not pan out (look at the 76ers, Clippers, Suns, and Nets in recent years). My take is it is still WAY too early to be declaring the Spurs a disaster zone -- especially when they are 8-4 playing mostly without Sochan and Fox.

You see the glass half empty; I see it half full. Wemby and Castle were a great picks and Harper looks like he could end up being a very good pick. Vassell is a solid SG, and Sochan is a starter in the NBA. Fox, Kornet, Barnes, and CP3 were all very good acquisitions. They're currently 8-4, and lost the last 2 because Steph Curry went wild. Even so, they're on pace for ~55 wins.

That all seems really promising to me.



Those teams you're naming didn't have once in a lifetime talents on them, building around Wemby should be simple - get guys that defend & shoot the three, so far they have nobody that can do both of those critical things.

The glass is half full because of Wemby, he's a generational talent and by himself he's going to be good enough to make his teams look better than they are. I like Castle, I love what Harper has shown, outside that they don't have any keepers, and I would be monitoring Castle's shot. Because no matter how good you are as a playmaker or defender, if you can't shoot the three in this league you're going to be a liability against good teams in the playoffs. The rest of their young players - Sochan, Vassell, Johnson are not good, Sochan is virtually unplayable against good teams because you can't have him Fox and Castle on the floor at the same time, there isn't enough shooting to make a defense come out and respect them. Sochan is a center trapped in a power forwards body, he is in no way shape or form a starter on a good team.

Harper is going to be really good, he's going to make Fox redundant, especially if Harper can make the three.

Building a championship level roster is never that easy.

Players who can defend and also shoot very well can be expensive and not as easy to just get as we want.

Also, I don't just want guys who can defend and shoot. I want another initiator next to him and that guy can or cannot be the scorer, but I need an initiator/playmaker and a scorer too.

Spurs have talent on the roster and they have time to fine tune the roster around him.
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Re: Fox going to alienate Wemby? 

Post#70 » by Bad Bart » Sat Nov 15, 2025 11:45 pm

Bornstellar wrote:The overreaction to a couple games from a guy who is coming back after being injured and not playing for like 8 months is insane

Welcome to RealGM! I'm surprised there aren't comments about why this proves they should trade Wemby and start tanking.
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Re: Fox going to alienate Wemby? 

Post#71 » by CIN-C-STAR » Yesterday 8:06 pm

No one gonna talk about the play call on the last possession?
Why take a timeout just to inbound the ball in the back court and let Fox go downhill? Couldn't you have done the exact same thing, and probably more effectively, without the timeout?
And then by inbounding in the back court the shot goes up without enough time to even give Wemby a shot at an offensive rebound.
I thought the ATO call sucked and I put more of the blame on the coach than Fox for that final play.
Now, the bad turnover on the pass to Wemby that Butler stole, and the step-back 3 over Draymond when you had Butler switched onto Wemby, both in the clutch, those were bad plays on Fox. Criticize him for those all you want.
But I'm not sure what he was supposed to do on that final possession other than get to his spot and put up a shot, which he did. There wasn't even enough time to do anything else, again, in part because of the play call.
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