Monitoring the Trade: Rob Dillingham for Jakob Poeltl

[MEDIC]

Lol. This conversation is ridiculous.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Lol. This conversation is ridiculous.

Probably more the case that your take on the Poeltl trade was ridiculous.

[PhilBlackson]

Rob Dillingham is who MIN chose, doesn't mean we would've taken him. I personally believe if we were on the clock they would've taken Matas Buzelis. Not that I think he's been some special prospect, it wasn't a great draft but I do think long term that he will be a more valuable player than Poeltl but I don't care enough about this topic to even debate it lol yell at a wall if you disagree.

[beanbag]

Without knowing for a fact who they would have drafted, this entire exercise is pointless.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Without knowing for a fact who they would have drafted, this entire exercise is pointless.

If that were the case then you could never evaluate a trade in which a player was traded for a draft pick.

[bballsparkin]

^^Well then what's the point of evaluating the trade in the first place? The Raptors were never selecting Dillingham imho. He's not a Raptor player. Probably Edey or Buzelis. Whatever, water under the bridge. And I enjoy watching Purtle play. Moving on.

[beanbag]

Without knowing for a fact who they would have drafted, this entire exercise is pointless.

If that were the case then you could never evaluate a trade in which a player was traded for a draft pick.

Yeah, that's literally the point I'm making dude

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Without knowing for a fact who they would have drafted, this entire exercise is pointless.

If that were the case then you could never evaluate a trade in which a player was traded for a draft pick.

Yeah, that's literally the point I'm making dude

Since you can't evaluate the outcome of a player for pick trade, then you can only do a deal like this on an assessment of the pick when traded.

It would follow then that trading a first round pick in the worst draft in recent years for Jakob Poeltl was the right move. That's literally the point I'm making.......dude.

[beanbag]

If that were the case then you could never evaluate a trade in which a player was traded for a draft pick.

Yeah, that's literally the point I'm making dude

Since you can't evaluate the outcome of a player for pick trade, then you can only do a deal like this on an assessment of the pick when traded.

It would follow then that trading a first round pick in the worst draft in recent years for Jakob Poeltl was the right move. That's literally the point I'm making.......dude.

No, that wouldn't follow. What follows is that it is unknowable if trading a 1st round pick for Poeltl was a good move since we don't know what the alternative would have been.

[DreamTeam09]

Yeah, that's literally the point I'm making dude

Since you can't evaluate the outcome of a player for pick trade, then you can only do a deal like this on an assessment of the pick when traded.

It would follow then that trading a first round pick in the worst draft in recent years for Jakob Poeltl was the right move. That's literally the point I'm making.......dude.

No, that wouldn't follow. What follows is that it is unknowable if trading a 1st round pick for Poeltl was a good move since we don't know what the alternative would have been.

there not too many options

you keep the pick, draft Edey or Buzelis or ware which would be the two best remaining players
or
you trade it, possibly for what the Spurs got like a far future protected first

Jakob was the correct choice. Not sure where y'all expected to get a starting C otherwise

[CPT]

This rule that we must use the player selected to evaluate the trade in some attempt to preserve scientific validity is so **** ridiculous.

This is a message board. None of it matters. Evaluate it however the hell you want.

[Young Moosehead]

How are things going in one of the 5000 crying over spilled milk threads?

Seriously RealGM should have a feature where posters have to lock in their draft picks on the day of the draft so that we can just click a link and see your real and complete draft history (not the one you pretend to have when you post) so everyone can just ignore the back seat drivers and their 20/20 hindsight.

[Shakril]

Pascal Siakam, Fred Van Vleet, OG Anunoby, Scottie Barnes

Do you think those are good players?

The trade was made because that team struggled after reaching the playoffs the previous season and it was obvious they needed a big.

It was more about giving the roster a chance and I can’t blame them for that. Those are pretty good players as you can see with the impact they have had on their new teams.

Would I have made that trade? No, I didn’t like the personality match. But I can see why they did it.

I didn't like the timing. But value wise (in isolation) it's a no brainer.

I think they did try to be sellers at that time but were getting low balled. So they pivoted into being buyers.
It did stall the rebuild but can’t really blame them given the circumstances

Thats what gets overlooked all the time. The Raps actually wanted to sell OG, FVL and Siakam at the Deadline, but the offers they got where not good or not what they wanted (otherwise it would have happened). So they pivoted to Poeltl for a last push with this team.

[Duffman100]

This rule that we must use the player selected to evaluate the trade in some attempt to preserve scientific validity is so **** ridiculous.

This is a message board. None of it matters. Evaluate it however the hell you want.

So if I traded the 10th pick in the Jokic draft, it's reasonable to give it a F grade because we could have possibly drafted him?

[Son Goku 25]

Lol it goes both ways. Those posters still crying about not drafting a certain player cuz of a trade till this day should enjoy this thread. It's for them and I personally find it entertaining.

[YogurtProducer]

How are things going in one of the 5000 crying over spilled milk threads?

Seriously RealGM should have a feature where posters have to lock in their draft picks on the day of the draft so that we can just click a link and see your real and complete draft history (not the one you pretend to have when you post) so everyone can just ignore the back seat drivers and their 20/20 hindsight.

There’s a certain poster on here I’ve been trying for probably 5 years to give me a list of player he likes in the draft PRE DRAFT so we can see how well he drafts.

5 years, and he ignores every request to do so. He’d rather just use hindsight and complain.

[Thaddy]

Dillingham isn't going to be good. Small guards that are weak defenders just aren't it. If the guard is built like Alijah Martin or Shead with defensive chops and shooting ability then maybe.

[Psubs]

Dillingham isn't going to be good. Small guards that are weak defenders just aren't it. If the guard is built like Alijah Martin or Shead with defensive chops and shooting ability then maybe.

Ya, like the new criteria is are they tall enough, but if not then are they going to be strong enough to guard a combo guard let alone a full SG. Shead was able to slow down and frustrate Donavon Mitchell!

[bballsparkin]

This rule that we must use the player selected to evaluate the trade in some attempt to preserve scientific validity is so **** ridiculous.

This is a message board. None of it matters. Evaluate it however the hell you want.

So if I traded the 10th pick in the Jokic draft, it's reasonable to give it a F grade because we could have possibly drafted him?

Please. Maybe you could make a case for one of the next 5 selected. McDermott, Saric, LaVine, TJ Warren. Nice players. But I'll take Jakob in that situation.

It's a fine trade in hindsight. The timing was strange. The team is looking nice so it is what it is.

[bballsparkin]

Dillingham isn't going to be good. Small guards that are weak defenders just aren't it. If the guard is built like Alijah Martin or Shead with defensive chops and shooting ability then maybe.

You have to get to a Brunson like level at that size.

edit: although I guess Brunson is kinda bulky for a small guy so maybe bad example.