How many KG years over Peak Ewing?

[og15]

This also highlights the limitations of RAPM. It measures how better a team operates when a player is on court compared to his team when he is off court. Think of the variables that must be factored in. Who did he play with? Who played when he was not playing? What is the sample size? People always quote Garnett's defensive RAPM for 03/04. He played 39.4 minutes a game in a season where they won 58 games. This means that you are measuring his on-court performance against the 8 minutes a game he did not play. How many of those minutes were pure garbage minutes? What on earth can you discern from that sample size. It is pure nonsense; the data is virtually meaningless. Yet, I've seen people claim that as the greatest defensive season of all time, purely based on the RAPM

Most of the non KG minutes would be like end of first quarter and/or start of 2nd and end of 3rd and/or start of 4th.

Over the season, that's about a 700 minute sample size, and it's definitely going to be a much smaller portion of that which is garbage times, maybe 10%? You can roughly gauge how much of their season was garbage time by how many total minutes the total end of bench guys played for the season.

[FuShengTHEGreat]

means I'm not seeking to engage further.

Yeah why even bother. One poster here believes KG wouldve taken the 89-90 Knicks to the title.

And you're here hung up on PER W/S as supposedly substantially being above Ewings peak (even that is quite laughable to read where he put up 29-11-4 blks a game) where he almost singlehandedly beat a FAR more talented Boston team, while the great substantially above MVP KG was shooting 45% throughout the playoffs, even against teams they were better than. Then ends his season in LA getting locked up by 40 year old geriatric Karl Malone.

Whoa there so much substantially better than peak Ewing I daresay. PER and W/S told the world so!!

KG has to be THE most overrated player I've ever seen and he clearly is on this RealGM forum.

[jdzimme3]

means I'm not seeking to engage further.

Yeah why even bother. One poster here believes KG wouldve taken the 89-90 Knicks to the title.

And you're here hung up on PER W/S as supposedly substantially being above Ewings peak (even that is quite laughable to read where he put up 29-11-4 blks a game) where he almost singlehandedly beat a FAR more talented Boston team, while the great substantially above MVP KG was shooting 45% throughout the playoffs, even against teams they were better than. Then ends his season in LA getting locked up by 40 year old geriatric Karl Malone.

Whoa there so much substantially better than peak Ewing I daresay. PER and W/S told the world so!!

KG has to be THE most overrated player I've ever seen and he clearly is on this RealGM forum.

Well said. KG was such a fun player to watch and an all time great but he is one of the most overrated player on the board.

Ewing is underrated likely suffering from playing at a time loaded with more exciting centers (Shaq, hakeem, Robinson).

Kg may have a couple peak seasons above Ewing but it is much closer than many are acting.

[migya]

means I'm not seeking to engage further.

Yeah why even bother. One poster here believes KG wouldve taken the 89-90 Knicks to the title.

And you're here hung up on PER W/S as supposedly substantially being above Ewings peak (even that is quite laughable to read where he put up 29-11-4 blks a game) where he almost singlehandedly beat a FAR more talented Boston team, while the great substantially above MVP KG was shooting 45% throughout the playoffs, even against teams they were better than. Then ends his season in LA getting locked up by 40 year old geriatric Karl Malone.

Whoa there so much substantially better than peak Ewing I daresay. PER and W/S told the world so!!

KG has to be THE most overrated player I've ever seen and he clearly is on this RealGM forum.

Well said. KG was such a fun player to watch and an all time great but he is one of the most overrated player on the board.

Ewing is underrated likely suffering from playing at a time loaded with more exciting centers (Shaq, hakeem, Robinson).

Kg may have a couple peak seasons above Ewing but it is much closer than many are acting.

KG may be overrated here, but he is underrated mainstream. He did carry well, was a great defender, has a case for the most versatile defender ever, and was a very good most of the time but not great scorer.

Ewing is underrated and as you said, unlucky to be playing at the same time as other alltime great Centers. Had he started playing three or four years earlier, he makes a few allnba 1st teams and would be viewed higher than he is.

Having watched the nba much in the 90s, Ewing was a beast that often was at the height of Olajuwon and Robinson. 1989-94 he was among the best in a loaded time with a number of alltime greats.

[Hook_Em]

When KG was surrounded by talent he was an MVP candidate that was good enough to win a title as the best player. When he wasn’t surrounded by talent he still put up elite numbers, played every game and anchored the defense. Not sure what’s “overrated” about that considering his prime was largely fumbled by organizational incompetence in FA and the draft.

[neno]

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[Top10alltime]

You are literally helping my case. When there is minimal difference in scoring, with KG not even being the primary scorer on his team, and having multiple people taking the scoring load off you (to be the defensive anchor of that team), and you still are similar to peak Ewing scoring in the playoffs, it just shows KG is better as a scorer.

Those Knicks had Maurice Cheeks, Kiki Vandeweghe, Charles Oakley, and Mark Jackson who is better than anyone KG had in the Timberwolves. Every one of these players clears anyone on the KG led wolves. It's a miracle he even led those teams to the playoffs, let alone making the ECF .

KG led a squad headlining Sam Cassell, Latrell Sprewell, Trenton Hassell, Wally Szceribak, and Fred Hoiberg to a 66 win pace with him on the court (+5.7 rORtg and -4.0 rDRtg), and a 58-24 record. He then took a team with an injured Sam Cassell (as we all know, bigs need ball-handlers, and he was the primary), and a bunch of nobodies to a gentleman sweep vs the Nuggets.
And then proceed to winning Game 7 vs a Kings team that beat the Dirk+Nash Mavericks, in a gentleman sweep, and held them to 8.8 points below their average offense , and they also went to the 2002 WCF. KG had one of the greatest Game 7 performances in NBA history, with 32/21/2/4/5 on 57.5 TS%, certainly better than anything Ewing showcased in his career.
KG then takes a team with no Cassell (only relevant player on the roster), and a bunch of nobodies to a game 6 vs the super stacked team 04 Lakers, with Bryant, Shaq, K.Malone, G.Payton, and Fisher to a game 6, with his leading scorers being Latrell Sprewell and Wally Screziabak (WHO :lol; ) KG's 04 season alone surpasses Ewing's entire career accomplishments

KG performed well vs the Hawks, his teammates didn't. He played well that playoffs, better than Ewing.

If 04 KG has the same help Ewing had in 90, they go the distance. If Ewing had 04 KG help, they get a top pick.

KG would not only beat Boston in 90 in Ewing's shoes, but would win the championship as well. That's how good he is.

You on the other hand are literally making me die of laughter

They beat a Nuggets team they were supposed to beat with the MVP KG shooting in the mid 40s. I'll give him credit here, he was active in all other facets of the game that series. Although that isn't beating Boston in Ewings shoes.

Then vs Sacto, whoop di do. Beating up on a injury riddled CWebb who only managed to play 23 games that year and was shipped outta town shortly afterwards.

Pace, otrg, dtrg? KG never had a damned 40 point game in his entire playoff career....where is any of that in your T/S% yadda yadda? How is he gonna overcome a 2-1 deficit in Ewing's shoes vs a Boston team with 3 all stars and put up 44/13 facing elimination?

So the great KG is gonna overcome the 90 Pistons and win the title when Ewing couldn't....when MICHAEL JORDAN at his near zenith couldn't according to you?

I'm making you die of laughter, on good takes, because you're acting like a casual. Cmon man, everyone has more potential than this. Do better

They gentlemen swept a Nuggets team. Ewing beat an old Knicks team with near retirement Bird, and old Parish, post-prime McHale. It's not that moving of a series as people are saying.

Chris Webber wasn't injured in the 2003-04 playoffs, he was the previous playoffs. That KG with one of the best G7s in history is easily beating a geriatric Celtics.

You don't even know any of these stats, proving you're acting as a casual. Go to Reddit r/NBATalk, that's the place for you to be going. Ewing in 90 over KG 04


KG in 04 season alone clears everything that Ewing has done in his career, carrying a team with nobodies to a game 6 vs the superteam LA. KG will beat the Pistons, Jordan would've if not for Pippen's migraine. They will win the 1989-90 championship with Ewing's supporting cast anyways. Give Jordan and KG that support, they win the championship. Plain and simple. Christ bless you

[Special_Puppy]

I think people have their nostalgia goggles on with Ewing. He just had serious offensive limitations that made it difficult to build a good team O around him. Doesn’t mean he isn’t a top 40 player ever. Just that Garnett’s prime is comfortably better than his

[migya]

I think people have their nostalgia goggles on with Ewing. He just had serious offensive limitations that made it difficult to build a good team O around him. Doesn’t mean he isn’t a top 40 player ever. Just that Garnett’s prime is comfortably better than his

His teams were better than Garnett's, does that mean it's harder to build a winning team around Garnett, unless it's in the weaker conference, with three star teammates?