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Pacers Forever wrote:basketballwacko2 wrote:I haven't been able to see a Pacer game this season, where are they on? Is it on a streamer? Or do I have to buy the season pass to watch them play?
I’m not local but I’m watching it on Fanduel Indiana. They are showing the games this season instead of the Bally network that I think went bankrupt.
Wizop wrote:JMaster5K wrote:He (Jarace) still has the ceiling to be the best player (not named Haliburton) on this roster,... but I don't think he's going to get anywhere near that, here,... on this team. For me, he would be the most likely to be traded, but with what he's shown so far this year, I'm not sure there's any value to bring back anything that helps us move forward?..... sadly,....
and if you look at who is at the top of the 2026 draft board, you'll find his replacements.
Wizop wrote:Pacers Forever wrote:basketballwacko2 wrote:I haven't been able to see a Pacer game this season, where are they on? Is it on a streamer? Or do I have to buy the season pass to watch them play?
I’m not local but I’m watching it on Fanduel Indiana. They are showing the games this season instead of the Bally network that I think went bankrupt.
FanDuel is in the same slot on my XFinity TV as Bally used to be.
JMaster5K wrote:Wizop wrote:Caitlin has a piece this week pointing out Jarace mistakes.
Finally got a chance to watch some of the highlights from the last couple of games,... Such a big opportunity for Jarace & frankly,... not impressed. I would love to be wrong, but it seems like he's making the same mistakes he made at the end of his rookie year/beginning of his second year? Almost like he is sulking, or he's given up?...
He still has the ceiling to be the best player (not named Haliburton) on this roster,... but I don't think he's going to get anywhere near that, here,... on this team. For me, he would be the most likely to be traded, but with what he's shown so far this year, I'm not sure there's any value to bring back anything that helps us move forward?..... sadly,....
Edit: went and watched a couple of the earlier highlights & he played better earlier in the season. Really limited on what I can see from here,... you guys who are able to watch the whole, or most of, the games,... what do you think of how Jarace has been playing?....
JMaster5K wrote:Wizop wrote:Caitlin has a piece this week pointing out Jarace mistakes.
Finally got a chance to watch some of the highlights from the last couple of games,... Such a big opportunity for Jarace & frankly,... not impressed. I would love to be wrong, but it seems like he's making the same mistakes he made at the end of his rookie year/beginning of his second year? Almost like he is sulking, or he's given up?...
He still has the ceiling to be the best player (not named Haliburton) on this roster,... but I don't think he's going to get anywhere near that, here,... on this team. For me, he would be the most likely to be traded, but with what he's shown so far this year, I'm not sure there's any value to bring back anything that helps us move forward?..... sadly,....
Edit: went and watched a couple of the earlier highlights & he played better earlier in the season. Really limited on what I can see from here,... you guys who are able to watch the whole, or most of, the games,... what do you think of how Jarace has been playing?....
Pacers Forever wrote:JMaster5K wrote:Wizop wrote:Caitlin has a piece this week pointing out Jarace mistakes.
Finally got a chance to watch some of the highlights from the last couple of games,... Such a big opportunity for Jarace & frankly,... not impressed. I would love to be wrong, but it seems like he's making the same mistakes he made at the end of his rookie year/beginning of his second year? Almost like he is sulking, or he's given up?...
He still has the ceiling to be the best player (not named Haliburton) on this roster,... but I don't think he's going to get anywhere near that, here,... on this team. For me, he would be the most likely to be traded, but with what he's shown so far this year, I'm not sure there's any value to bring back anything that helps us move forward?..... sadly,....
Edit: went and watched a couple of the earlier highlights & he played better earlier in the season. Really limited on what I can see from here,... you guys who are able to watch the whole, or most of, the games,... what do you think of how Jarace has been playing?....
Jarace is young but I think this season is his last chance with the Pacers. He’s in a horrendous shooting slump right now. He’s got until the trade deadline to mature and produce like his draft position warrants. I’m hoping Furphy gets healthy long enough to show his potential. A lot of decisions to be made when a team is playing as poorly as this season has started. I’m not against trading Jarace if he doesn’t turn it around.
Scoot McGroot wrote:Right now this team is shooting at a league worst this season, and something like 2nd worst in the last 25 years. SURELY there will be SOME reversion to the mean, no?
I think this is just a wait and see season and we need to try and get some consistent PG play for 48 minutes a night before we can really make “for good” type decisions on some of these guys?
Pacers Forever wrote:League worst 1-13 Pacers lose to the Pistons 127-112. The team fought hard through out the game although the Pistons were in control and Duren couldn’t be kept off the glass. It was good to see Mathurin seemingly shake the rust off in 1 game. TJ continues to struggle to get his mojo back going 0-4. It was great to see Walker go 2-4. If only Sheppard could find his shot.
Tonight I observed the Pistons 2 way point guard out play Nembhard. How does this happen ? I think it happens when you put a player in a position that isn’t their best position and expect them to still play their great defense and orchestrate the offense plus score.
I think it’s a mistake putting Nembhard at point while Tyrese is out. The offense is clunky. I don’t know how long they can hold onto Morris but I would start him at point assuming he’s got the offense learned. I would put Nembhard back at the 2, Mathurin at the 3, Siakam and I Jax rounding out the starting lineup. When Nesmith comes back he or Mathurin would slide to the second unit. When Quenton comes back I plug him in starting at the point. I know he’s not a point guard but it would let Nembhard still excel at the 2 guard. Yeah I’m just tossing out an idea to maybe get things turned around.
On a separate note I don’t understand what is going on with Huff not getting more minutes ? I would think he’d have learned the offense by now ? Maybe he’s just too slow moving in the half court ? His shooting percentage for 2’s and 3’s are both down 100 percentage points to start the season so far. His rebounds and blocks are both up. Maybe it’s because our second unit is very weak and it’s hard to thrive in those circumstances.
When it does not work, it is a dumpster fire. There is no middle ground. Which, I guess, in this league is good? You are either a contender, or a lottery participant? JMaster5K wrote:Pacers Forever wrote:League worst 1-13 Pacers lose to the Pistons 127-112. The team fought hard through out the game although the Pistons were in control and Duren couldn’t be kept off the glass. It was good to see Mathurin seemingly shake the rust off in 1 game. TJ continues to struggle to get his mojo back going 0-4. It was great to see Walker go 2-4. If only Sheppard could find his shot.
Tonight I observed the Pistons 2 way point guard out play Nembhard. How does this happen ? I think it happens when you put a player in a position that isn’t their best position and expect them to still play their great defense and orchestrate the offense plus score.
I think it’s a mistake putting Nembhard at point while Tyrese is out. The offense is clunky. I don’t know how long they can hold onto Morris but I would start him at point assuming he’s got the offense learned. I would put Nembhard back at the 2, Mathurin at the 3, Siakam and I Jax rounding out the starting lineup. When Nesmith comes back he or Mathurin would slide to the second unit. When Quenton comes back I plug him in starting at the point. I know he’s not a point guard but it would let Nembhard still excel at the 2 guard. Yeah I’m just tossing out an idea to maybe get things turned around.
On a separate note I don’t understand what is going on with Huff not getting more minutes ? I would think he’d have learned the offense by now ? Maybe he’s just too slow moving in the half court ? His shooting percentage for 2’s and 3’s are both down 100 percentage points to start the season so far. His rebounds and blocks are both up. Maybe it’s because our second unit is very weak and it’s hard to thrive in those circumstances.
Agree with what you've said.
Caveats: Our spacing stunk. On offense, we have been attacking the rim from rotations. Meaning we are not creating an advantage before we try to get to the rim,... bad cutting, when there are cuts, little off side movement, & bad or nonexistent screening. We are currently playing every game in what Coach described as a 'rat game', a scrum in mud, a slug-fest. With a team that is built to run, not a grit & grind team.
At 1 point,... we had 3 players in the paint, being successfully covered by 2 pistons 'cause they were all standing within 3 feet of each other. In positions where they couldn't make any interior passes. Leaving 3 defenders to cover the passing lanes to the 2 shooters, who weren't moving to get to open lane spots.
So,... I agree, Nembhard is at his best as a secondary ball handler. Even as a primary PG, this is not a style in which he can excel. His passing can be very effective in an open court with movement, but he does not have any level of real manipulation against a defense. (not sure anyone, even Tyrese, would the way we are playing at the moment.) He needs to play with someone that does have that skill to take advantage of being across the court from them & create from the backside of the offense. I think he will be ok as a combo, but in this style of game, no chance.
Huff isn't getting major minutes,... but I think it's because of his screen setting (still learning where & when, with a team that isn't reading the floor right now), and his understanding of the team defense (or our lack of team defense?). He is doing what he has been asked to do, rebound & defend the rim, in limited minutes, with a team that lacks understanding & execution.
I don't think this is a coaching issue, or really a player issue,... it's what happens when you take a team that is running 'read & flow' on both ends, with players that in some games, get introduced to each other just before the opening tip? Our coaching staff is top notch, but even with a stable, available key group of players, & Tyrese as the maestro, it took 2 years for the team to learn each other & reading the floor together. Right now, this team might not even remember each others first names? (ok,.. that's sarcasm, but you get the point).
When this style of basketball works,... it is truly a thing of beauty, a huge competitive advantage, & is REALLY fun to watch.
I looked last week generically at how this system (essentially the Pacers & OKC) have influenced pace across the league. Based on Basketball-reference's pace numbers, so far this season there are 8 teams over 102 possessions a game, top of 105; last year, there were 3, top 103; 23-24 there 1, top 102.7; 22-23 none, top 101.6. This isn't a general trend that goes back years,... this is really a up-tick since this type of style has become the 'goal' & other teams have started to adopt this philosophy (Miami this year for example).
On the other side,... Duren has lost the baby fat he had coming into the league. He is becoming a consistent, dominant 5. Jenkins has always been a very high level, NBA athlete. He has worked hard to become an NBA basketball player. It's starting to show with Cade out, & I hope he stays in the league at least a decade. He is fun to watch, and really showing that he can be more than just a late rotation player. Holland looks like he's grown an inch or two, and might be developing the personal discipline to be a real asset? Robinson, is Robinson, but on this team, his skillset is crucial to their success, and he is playing like it. Detroit's spacing was way better than ours. They were setting up (even in transition) outside the 3 point line, while we were constantly running into ourselves stacked in the paint.
It was a bit of an 'ah-ha' moment for me, when our primary 3 point shooters in this game are Siakim & Mathurin with 17 of our 31 attempt, and 6 of our 9 makes? Our primary offensive post threat, and the 1 guy on our team that excels as a cutter going to the rim are the main outside shooters? because the post was getting double & triple teamed with no one moving to open spots, so he was rotating out; and Mathurin was not getting the open spacing clean to make a cut, so he was catching from ball rotation with no clock to create.
Anyway,... sorry for the long 'stream of consciousness' typing.
I do think this will get better as we get people back from injury. This also gives some evidence that Tyrese will still be a force when he gets back. His 1 skill that would change this whole thing around,... is his manipulation of the defense, from full court, and that isn't dependent on his speed, his athleticism, his bounce,... it's dependent on how he sees the floor, and how his BBIQ forces other teams to play.
While I had to leave the room whilst watching this particular game,... to swear, privately,... so as to not offend my dogs sensibilities,... This is very likely to be a good thing in the long run, as we have a chance this year to add a real, all league potential talent to compete next year & for many years to come?
Pacers Forever wrote:Jeremiah Robinson-Earl’s second 10 day contract expires tonight. I agree with Tony East that they should sign him to a non guaranteed standard contract and waive Monte Morris now that TJ is ramping up towards full health. Pacers may be able to add another hardship player later this week.
