Dennis Lindsey interested in taking Mavs GM job

[MrGoat]

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[FrodoBaggins]

Doesn't his family still live in Dallas?

[Forbes]

Very Necessary, been a while since we had some with some sense.

[MavsDirk41]

Yes please

[Rauxcee]

Dennis Lindsay? The guy who blew all of the Jazz's FRP's (5 all together I think) on rent-a-PG? The guy who also routinely dumped 2nd round picks for cash considerations? The guy who made some truly terrible draft choices? The guy that basically left the Jazz with no assets to try and improve the team so they had to blow it up? That guy?

[Optms]

I would volunteer to tackle the job at like half the salary of Nico. And would do a better job for the Mavericks fanbase. Make Dallas great again.

[MrGoat]

Dennis Lindsay? The guy who blew all of the Jazz's FRP's (5 all together I think) on rent-a-PG? The guy who also routinely dumped 2nd round picks for cash considerations? The guy who made some truly terrible draft choices? The guy that basically left the Jazz with no assets to try and improve the team so they had to blow it up? That guy?

One and the same. I'll look over his history so I know the timeline.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/executives/lindsde99x.html

I don't see a trade where he gave up 5 FRPs. The closest thing to that I see is the Mike Conley trade. Utah traded Grayson Allen and Darius Bazley (who were Utah 1st round picks in previous drafts), Jae Crowder, 37 year old Kyle Korver, and a protected first round pick for Mike Conley. Hilariously that protected pick they traded to Memphis for Conley ended up finally conveying in 2022, Memphis traded that pick to Minnesota on draft night for Jake LaRavia, and Minnesota traded that pick back to Utah two weeks later in the Rudy Gobert trade. That pick was Walker Kessler.

There are some draft misses there but also some draft hits. Denver regretted trading with him on draft night twice. On 2013 draft night he traded Erick Green and cash to Denver for Rudy Gobert. On the 2017 draft night he traded Tyler Lydon and Trey Lyles to Denver for Donovan Mitchell.

He did have a tendency to trade a lot of 2nd round picks late in his tenure but thanks to Nico there are hardly any 2nd round picks for Dallas to trade over the next 7 seasons anyway

[Rauxcee]

Dennis Lindsay? The guy who blew all of the Jazz's FRP's (5 all together I think) on rent-a-PG? The guy who also routinely dumped 2nd round picks for cash considerations? The guy who made some truly terrible draft choices? The guy that basically left the Jazz with no assets to try and improve the team so they had to blow it up? That guy?

One and the same. I'll look over his history so I know the timeline.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/executives/lindsde99x.html

I don't see a trade where he gave up 5 FRPs. The closest thing to that I see is the Mike Conley trade. Utah traded Grayson Allen and Darius Bazley (who were Utah 1st round picks in previous drafts), Jae Crowder, 37 year old Kyle Korver, and a protected first round pick for Mike Conley. Hilariously that protected pick they traded to Memphis for Conley ended up finally conveying in 2022, Memphis traded that pick to Minnesota on draft night for Jake LaRavia, and Minnesota traded that pick back to Utah two weeks later in the Rudy Gobert trade. That pick was Walker Kessler.

In 2016 they traded their FRP (or the rights to the player) for 1 year of George Hill. In 2017 they traded their FRP for 2 years of Ricky Rubio. In 2019 they traded their FRP, Grayson Allen (2018's FRP), and a future FRP for 3 years (well 3.5 but Gobert/Mitchell were gone after 3) of Mike Conley. So that is 5 FRP including players and future picks all traded within 4 years to rent point gaurds. Granted, none of the player taken with those picks amounted to much, but he still shouldn't have burned through those picks the way he did on what was clearly player rentals.

[tmorgan]

Well, that’s why he wants the job, then. To get out of Detroit. Langdon is exercising patience while seeing what he has and doesn’t want to trade anything right now.

[Mavrelous]

Dallas best off season under Nico came with Lindsay as assistant GM, so he's well liked in the org.

[MrGoat]

Dennis Lindsay? The guy who blew all of the Jazz's FRP's (5 all together I think) on rent-a-PG? The guy who also routinely dumped 2nd round picks for cash considerations? The guy who made some truly terrible draft choices? The guy that basically left the Jazz with no assets to try and improve the team so they had to blow it up? That guy?

One and the same. I'll look over his history so I know the timeline.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/executives/lindsde99x.html

I don't see a trade where he gave up 5 FRPs. The closest thing to that I see is the Mike Conley trade. Utah traded Grayson Allen and Darius Bazley (who were Utah 1st round picks in previous drafts), Jae Crowder, 37 year old Kyle Korver, and a protected first round pick for Mike Conley. Hilariously that protected pick they traded to Memphis for Conley ended up finally conveying in 2022, Memphis traded that pick to Minnesota on draft night for Jake LaRavia, and Minnesota traded that pick back to Utah two weeks later in the Rudy Gobert trade. That pick was Walker Kessler.

In 2016 they traded their FRP (or the rights to the player) for 1 year of George Hill. In 2017 they traded their FRP for 2 years of Ricky Rubio. In 2019 they traded their FRP, Grayson Allen (2018's FRP), and a future FRP for 3 years (well 3.5 but Gobert/Mitchell were gone after 3) of Mike Conley. So that is 5 FRP including players and future picks all traded within 4 years to rent point gaurds. Granted, none of the player taken with those picks amounted to much, but he still shouldn't have burned through those picks the way he did on what was clearly player rentals.

Ah, I see. I thought you were only talking about one trade by the wording. Thanks for making it clear.

So basically the story on Lindsey is he landed on the treadmill Jazz and hit big on a couple of double digit picks. They thought they could contend with Gobert and Mitchell but when they went all in with picks to try to find the move that would put them over the top but they just couldn't quite make the right move to put them over the top. They fired Lindsey and Ainge got a massive haul for Gobert to rebuild and basically Lauri for Mitchell and that's still pretty much where the Jazz are now.

The Mavs want Lindsey because he was the actual progenitor of the moves Nico gets too much credit for to create that Mavs Finals team from the bad situation Nico put them in the first place with his horrible KP trade that brought them nothing, such as wanting PJ Washington for Grant Williams when Nico wanted Kyle Kuzma and Lindsey was against adding Grant in the first place. His stock is even higher now because of the turnaround in Detroit.

Maybe not the best GM, but still an enormous upgrade from Nico

[shangrila]

"Local man interested in promotion. More at 11"

[Chuck Everett]

Lindsey is getting credit for moves other GM's made huh? You have to judge him by his Utah tenure, not as an assistant GM in Detroit or Dallas. Come on now.

[FarBeyondDriven]

it's got to be one of the most attractive GM job openings in recent sports history. They just landed a franchise talent in Flagg. They've got two veterans that if healthy would make a "Big Three" with Flagg in Kyrie and Davis OR they can use them to trade for draft picks and young players that would fit Flagg's timeline better. They also have some pretty decent younger role player. In a state with no tax btw. I'm sure almost every G.M. secretly wishes to have this job. Certainly any that don't currently have a job do. I'm surprised Myers hasn't raised his hand. After all, he loves taking credit for other people's work and riding coattails.

[Mavrelous]

Lindsey is getting credit for moves other GM's made huh? You have to judge him by his Utah tenure, not as an assistant GM in Detroit or Dallas. Come on now.

When the record of the main GM is a total catastrophe w/o him, you have to consider his record as assistant.

[Chuck Everett]

Lindsey is getting credit for moves other GM's made huh? You have to judge him by his Utah tenure, not as an assistant GM in Detroit or Dallas. Come on now.

When the record of the main GM is a total catastrophe w/o him, you have to consider his record as assistant.

Fair enough. We'll see what he does if he gets the Dallas job. He actually would have a lot to play with. Hopefully, he doesn't cock it up.

[MrGoat]

Lindsey is getting credit for moves other GM's made huh? You have to judge him by his Utah tenure, not as an assistant GM in Detroit or Dallas. Come on now.

Even his Utah tenure isn't exactly a disaster. He turned a mediocre team around by drafting Gobert and Mitchell. Houston's 3 point barrage and covid happened but he didn't leave them bankrupt when he was fired. Ainge got a king's ransom for Lindsey's draft pick Gobert, let alone Mitchell. That's now on Ainge that he hasn't done anything with it at this point and probably has to tank this season because they have a top 8 protected pick that goes to OKC if they don't completely suck. I would not be happy about this news if I was a Pistons fan. Lindsey's history is pretty solid at this point

[MrGoat]

it's got to be one of the most attractive GM job openings in recent sports history. They just landed a franchise talent in Flagg. They've got two veterans that if healthy would make a "Big Three" with Flagg in Kyrie and Davis OR they can use them to trade for draft picks and young players that would fit Flagg's timeline better. They also have some pretty decent younger role player. In a state with no tax btw. I'm sure almost every G.M. secretly wishes to have this job. Certainly any that don't currently have a job do. I'm surprised Myers hasn't raised his hand. After all, he loves taking credit for other people's work and riding coattails.

Oh yeah, and the last GM is so unbelievably despised you'll even get extra runway just for not being him while entering a situation that doesn't even have high expectations right now and stuff that should still have trade value for future assets. Great starting spot for a GM who wants in at the start of a rebuild that might already have their baby franchise player with another chance to really load up in the next drafts if managed right

[cupcakesnake]

Dennis Lindsay? The guy who blew all of the Jazz's FRP's (5 all together I think) on rent-a-PG? The guy who also routinely dumped 2nd round picks for cash considerations? The guy who made some truly terrible draft choices? The guy that basically left the Jazz with no assets to try and improve the team so they had to blow it up? That guy?

One and the same. I'll look over his history so I know the timeline.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/executives/lindsde99x.html

I don't see a trade where he gave up 5 FRPs. The closest thing to that I see is the Mike Conley trade. Utah traded Grayson Allen and Darius Bazley (who were Utah 1st round picks in previous drafts), Jae Crowder, 37 year old Kyle Korver, and a protected first round pick for Mike Conley. Hilariously that protected pick they traded to Memphis for Conley ended up finally conveying in 2022, Memphis traded that pick to Minnesota on draft night for Jake LaRavia, and Minnesota traded that pick back to Utah two weeks later in the Rudy Gobert trade. That pick was Walker Kessler.

In 2016 they traded their FRP (or the rights to the player) for 1 year of George Hill. In 2017 they traded their FRP for 2 years of Ricky Rubio. In 2019 they traded their FRP, Grayson Allen (2018's FRP), and a future FRP for 3 years (well 3.5 but Gobert/Mitchell were gone after 3) of Mike Conley. So that is 5 FRP including players and future picks all traded within 4 years to rent point gaurds. Granted, none of the player taken with those picks amounted to much, but he still shouldn't have burned through those picks the way he did on what was clearly player rentals.

Were they "clearly player rentals" at the time of the trade?
Lindsey built a very good team in Utah. He had the great misfortune of trying to build a contender in the West while the Warriors and Rockets existed. The Warriors are the most talented team ever, and Houston might have been an all-time team if not for the Warriors.

George Hill was very good in Utah, but injured. Dennis Linsey wanted to re-sign him but had a limit on what he would spend, with Utah already starting to get expensive. George Hill chased the money in Sacramento, but never ended up being healthy enough to be a productive starter again. Exum was still expected to become a starting level player at this point too. The George Hill thing didn't work out, but I don't see this as mismanagement.

It makes no sense to call Rubio or (especially) Mike Conley a rental. Conley played 3.5 seasons!

[Inigo Montoya]

Lindsey built a very good team in Utah. He had the great misfortune of trying to build a contender in the West while the Warriors and Rockets existed. The Warriors are the most talented team ever, and Houston might have been an all-time team if not for the Warriors.

Only the Jazz were also eliminated (quite shamefully, I might add) by the Nuggets, Clippers and Mavs.

Lindsey wasn't all bad, he's had some successes and made some decent moves too but overall he was a disappointment, and the Jazz are still paying the price for some of his mistakes, like owing OKC a top 8 protected pick in this coming draft.