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Re: Toronto needs a new Center 

Post#181 » by KingSebastian » Fri Nov 14, 2025 7:07 pm

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Freeman6 wrote:Guys like dayron sharpe, jock landale, nick Richards, are interesting, more realistic targets.

Isn't Gafford rumored to be traded?
Gafford would be ideal.
Or Diabate from Charlotte.

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Re: Toronto needs a new Center 

Post#182 » by tsherkin » Fri Nov 14, 2025 7:08 pm

dagger wrote:I like CMB, but he is limited offensively, and small for a C defensively. He is no SF, maybe a power forward.


Sure, when I said SF I was thinking spot minutes because he has the quickness on D, can attack a close-out and is hitting his 3s. Not something where he's there for large minutes, agreed. And yes, I don't see huge offensive upside... but neither do I see Kalk as a 20+ ppg scorer anyway, so that feels secondary to me.

Kalkbrenner, who would have been a trade down option, would have been positioned as Poeltl eventual replacement, so yes, not nearly as versatile as CMB, but in building a contender, would have addressed a need the Raptors will have to face eventually, first for a backup C and then for a starter.


I hear you, I just think we're way too early before we have to worry about that. Like, it might be a decade before we're anywhere near actual contention, so we just have to work within our means a little more in the interim. And by then, Kalk wouldn't even necessarily be with us. I think CMB fits where we are a little more for the next half decade or so.
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Re: Toronto needs a new Center 

Post#183 » by dagger » Fri Nov 14, 2025 7:19 pm

KingSebastian wrote:
TheAlchemist23 wrote:
Freeman6 wrote:Guys like dayron sharpe, jock landale, nick Richards, are interesting, more realistic targets.

Isn't Gafford rumored to be traded?
Gafford would be ideal.
Or Diabate from Charlotte.

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Gafford's salary is $18 million, so the Raptors can't really make a trade work with bench wings, but would have to make RJ the key, and frankly, that might not appeal to Dallas in a teardown situation, and it might be a bit of an overpay by the Raptors. More likely, Dallas will find a taker for Anthony Davis that will give it a couple of first round picks and some expiring contract flexibility, directly or via a third team. Then they'll roll towards another high lottery pick with Gafford and Lively II.
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Re: Toronto needs a new Center 

Post#184 » by bluerap23 » Fri Nov 14, 2025 9:35 pm

When your biggest problem is finding a 3rd string centre things are pretty good
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Re: Toronto needs a new Center 

Post#185 » by TheAlchemist23 » Fri Nov 14, 2025 10:53 pm

bluerap23 wrote:When your biggest problem is finding a 3rd string centre things are pretty good

Mamu isn't really a C. And literally all 5 loses could be attributed to Yak either not being right or being out. Another real C would go a long way.
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Re: Toronto needs a new Center 

Post#186 » by Slim_Charles » Mon Nov 17, 2025 2:28 pm

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Slim_Charles wrote:Time to make a trade for Gafford


Gafford or Lively should be the targets. Dallas needs some guards, maybe they are interested in Jakobe or Abaji?

Can't really move Shead since he's our only backup point guard.


womp womp.

Mavs will build around Lively and Flagg and their 2026 FRP.

AD is surely available though.! :-?


Please no AD... he is too injury prone and it would frustrating to have him on the Raptors
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Re: Toronto needs a new Center 

Post#187 » by Thaddy » Mon Nov 17, 2025 2:32 pm

Scottie's offense when he plays next to a stretch big is night and day better. Next to Mamu he's at 28PPG on 65 TS%. It makes you think what if he was next to a guy like Lauri Markkanen?
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Re: Toronto needs a new Center 

Post#188 » by ImaBeatDatAzz » Mon Nov 17, 2025 2:32 pm

Is there any realistic chance of going for Okongwu? I want him so bad
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Re: Toronto needs a new Center 

Post#189 » by Brinbe » Mon Nov 17, 2025 3:05 pm

Been looking at some of the options on bad teams for possible targets and it's a bit of slim pickings based on salary matches, especially if you assume Ochai/Walter are perhaps the best options to head out. I really don't see them trading anyone else at this point. Maybe RJ, but I think they're maybe more likely to keep RJ, even if that pushes them into a tax team as they're actually looking good now.

So you're looking at Sharpe in Brooklyn as perhaps the best target and I'd love to add him as he has really good size and is an absolute beast on the boards, but not sure if Brooklyn would want Ochai and if the Raps would want to commit that much to paying Sandro/Sharpe that much combined next season.

If Dwight Powell weren't washed (which I think he is now) I think he could've been a sensible match with Walter heading back home to Dallas. But don't think it makes sense now. Gafford would probably be more of what most people are aiming for but his salary is really not easy to match based on what we have to offer out.

There's Jay Huff who isn't making much at all with the Pacers and it's a nice bonus that he can stretch it out too. If the Pacers continue to tank it, I think he's gonna be attracting lots or attentions from teams at the deadline as a super cheap depth piece.

And then there's other young players who are on small deals. So maybe you could do a Missi and Walter swap with Queen stepping up in New Orleans?

The bottom of the list are probably guys like Plumlee/Jordan as cheap vet bigs but similar to Powell, I don't know if they're worth the add at this point in their careers.
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Re: Toronto needs a new Center 

Post#190 » by Psubs » Mon Nov 17, 2025 3:47 pm

dagger wrote:
KingSebastian wrote:
TheAlchemist23 wrote:Isn't Gafford rumored to be traded?
Gafford would be ideal.
Or Diabate from Charlotte.

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Gafford's salary is $18 million, so the Raptors can't really make a trade work with bench wings, but would have to make RJ the key, and frankly, that might not appeal to Dallas in a teardown situation, and it might be a bit of an overpay by the Raptors. More likely, Dallas will find a taker for Anthony Davis that will give it a couple of first round picks and some expiring contract flexibility, directly or via a third team. Then they'll roll towards another high lottery pick with Gafford and Lively II.


https://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/teams/dallas-mavericks/6/

Gafford is making $14.4 million this season. Ochai, Walter and Temple (waive) works.

Around the deadline, Ochai and Temple (waive) for Brandon Clarke makes the most sense.
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Re: Toronto needs a new Center 

Post#191 » by Gavin_TDThree » Mon Nov 17, 2025 3:49 pm

I wonder if Yves Missi is available with Queen starting show more
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Re: Toronto needs a new Center 

Post#192 » by Mark_83 » Mon Nov 17, 2025 3:58 pm

I like Goga as a cost effective target who who would work well in Darko's Euro-like system and already has chemistry with Mamu from the national team. He's only 26, is signed for one more year at 7 million, and he's a rim protector that rebounds and can switch on the perimeter. His per 36 stats are 12.7pts 10.9reb 2.5ast 1.1stl, 2.8blk. By way of comparison, Yak's per 36 line is 16.2pts 10.7reb 2.6ast 1stl 1 blk.
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Re: Toronto needs a new Center 

Post#193 » by dagger » Mon Nov 17, 2025 5:04 pm

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dagger wrote:
KingSebastian wrote:Gafford would be ideal.
Or Diabate from Charlotte.

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Gafford's salary is $18 million, so the Raptors can't really make a trade work with bench wings, but would have to make RJ the key, and frankly, that might not appeal to Dallas in a teardown situation, and it might be a bit of an overpay by the Raptors. More likely, Dallas will find a taker for Anthony Davis that will give it a couple of first round picks and some expiring contract flexibility, directly or via a third team. Then they'll roll towards another high lottery pick with Gafford and Lively II.


https://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/teams/dallas-mavericks/6/

Gafford is making $14.4 million this season. Ochai, Walter and Temple (waive) works.

Around the deadline, Ochai and Temple (waive) for Brandon Clarke makes the most sense.


First of all, only part of Temple's salary is counted in a trade, andit's guaranteed anyway, so waiving him saves nothing. These trade ideas push the Raptors deeper into the tax. Secondly, the Raptors have 14 guys on the full-time roster, which is the effective minimum, so if a trade reduces that further, the team will have to add back to 14, probably by upgrading a two-way players or two, which would put the further into the tax. Now, maybe the tax won't be such a big issue, but I wouldn't bet on the team going right up to the first apron with a trade unless its sees a deal as the difference between the play-in and a secure playoff spot. I could see a trade like this as much more likely in the offseason.
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Re: Toronto needs a new Center 

Post#194 » by Shakril » Mon Nov 17, 2025 5:14 pm

Thaddy wrote:Scottie's offense when he plays next to a stretch big is night and day better. Next to Mamu he's at 28PPG on 65 TS%. It makes you think what if he was next to a guy like Lauri Markkanen?


Its news to me that markkanen is a big.
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Re: Toronto needs a new Center 

Post#195 » by JB7 » Mon Nov 17, 2025 5:22 pm

Shakril wrote:
Thaddy wrote:Scottie's offense when he plays next to a stretch big is night and day better. Next to Mamu he's at 28PPG on 65 TS%. It makes you think what if he was next to a guy like Lauri Markkanen?


Its news to me that markkanen is a big.


He's 7ft, 240lbs, but ya, doesn't really play like a big. But he does add more size to the lineup, if the primary player being traded is BI (plus Ochai & maybe Gradey).

Lauri is shooting 39% on 9.7 3pt attempts per game. TS% @ .621. And of course averaging 30pts a game on a team allowing him to shoot everything he touches.
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Re: Toronto needs a new Center 

Post#196 » by Psubs » Mon Nov 17, 2025 6:17 pm

Mark_83 wrote:I like Goga as a cost effective target who who would work well in Darko's Euro-like system and already has chemistry with Mamu from the national team. He's only 26, is signed for one more year at 7 million, and he's a rim protector that rebounds and can switch on the perimeter. His per 36 stats are 12.7pts 10.9reb 2.5ast 1.1stl, 2.8blk. By way of comparison, Yak's per 36 line is 16.2pts 10.7reb 2.6ast 1stl 1 blk.


If they can trade Ochai and at most Mogbo for Goga, then do it.
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Re: Toronto needs a new Center 

Post#197 » by WuTang_CMB » Mon Nov 17, 2025 6:29 pm

The numbers Scottie puts up with Mamu are great to see - just to point how him wit ha stretch big would benefit him. Having said that, Poeltl is a very solid centre in this league and you can see why we struggled when he's injured. Both things can be true.
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Re: Toronto needs a new Center 

Post#198 » by JB7 » Mon Nov 17, 2025 7:26 pm

Psubs wrote:
Mark_83 wrote:I like Goga as a cost effective target who who would work well in Darko's Euro-like system and already has chemistry with Mamu from the national team. He's only 26, is signed for one more year at 7 million, and he's a rim protector that rebounds and can switch on the perimeter. His per 36 stats are 12.7pts 10.9reb 2.5ast 1.1stl, 2.8blk. By way of comparison, Yak's per 36 line is 16.2pts 10.7reb 2.6ast 1stl 1 blk.


If they can trade Ochai and at most Mogbo for Goga, then do it.


I would think with the contracts the Magic have committed to over the next 4 years, they are probably more interested in dumping WCJ before his new deal kicks in next season, then moving Goga's reasonable deal.
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Re: Toronto needs a new Center 

Post#199 » by JB7 » Mon Nov 17, 2025 7:29 pm

WuTang_CMB wrote:The numbers Scottie puts up with Mamu are great to see - just to point how him wit ha stretch big would benefit him. Having said that, Poeltl is a very solid centre in this league and you can see why we struggled when he's injured. Both things can be true.


Yes, I would think the best option is to still retain Yak, in any deal for a stretch big. While the stretch big (along with Mamu) can sub in for C minutes when Yak is off the floor, Yak is still needed for some critical matchups against teams with actual bigs.
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Re: Toronto needs a new Center 

Post#200 » by Mark_83 » Mon Nov 17, 2025 8:00 pm

JB7 wrote:
Psubs wrote:
Mark_83 wrote:I like Goga as a cost effective target who who would work well in Darko's Euro-like system and already has chemistry with Mamu from the national team. He's only 26, is signed for one more year at 7 million, and he's a rim protector that rebounds and can switch on the perimeter. His per 36 stats are 12.7pts 10.9reb 2.5ast 1.1stl, 2.8blk. By way of comparison, Yak's per 36 line is 16.2pts 10.7reb 2.6ast 1stl 1 blk.


If they can trade Ochai and at most Mogbo for Goga, then do it.


I would think with the contracts the Magic have committed to over the next 4 years, they are probably more interested in dumping WCJ before his new deal kicks in next season, then moving Goga's reasonable deal.

According to Magic fans they want to upgrade on both, so I'm not sure they're moving WCJ unless they have a better option.

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