TWO Appreciation Thread

[Duffman100]

The problematic part of puffing your chest out and acting like tanking was the real answer is that the 'theoretical strategy" is so amorphous that it's always been hard to lock down.

That tanking team didn't work - well they didn't have good management, or they didn't tank for long enough, etc etc etc
That team did well - well I'm going to modify my definition of tanking to encompass a wide range of building strategies (OKC, Spurs as examples) so that I can use them to support.

It's the same concept of not liking a draft pick and then waiting and choosing one of the next N number of drafted players to then say "we should have drafted that guy".

[TheGeneral99]

The problematic part of puffing your chest out and acting like tanking was the real answer is that the 'theoretical strategy" is so amorphous that it's always been hard to lock down.

That tanking team didn't work - well they didn't have good management, or they didn't tank for long enough, etc etc etc
That team did well - well I'm going to modify my definition of tanking to encompass a wide range of building strategies (OKC, Spurs as examples) so that I can use them to support.

It's the same concept of not liking a draft pick and then waiting and choosing one of the next N number of drafted players to then say "we should have drafted that guy".

And it gets even more complicated because the NBA has made the probability of the worst teams getting the top picks lower in recent years. You only have a 14% chance of getting the #1 pick if you are a bottom 4 team.

That's why in past years we have seen teams with extremely low odds like the Hawks and Mavericks get the #1 pick.

[canada_dry]

It was a good run boys!

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[canada_dry]

It got weirdly snippy in here all of a sudden

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[God Squad]

I'm not trading this pick, especially if it's somewhere in the lottery. This draft is too good not to play the odds IMO.

[Duffman100]

I'm not trading this pick, especially if it's somewhere in the lottery. This draft is too good not to play the odds IMO.

100%. Unless it's for a SUBSTANTIAL upgrade, please don't trade our 2026 1st.

[anotherhomer]

I'm not trading this pick, especially if it's somewhere in the lottery. This draft is too good not to play the odds IMO.

100%. Unless it's for a SUBSTANTIAL upgrade, please don't trade our 2026 1st.

i wouldn't want to trade the pick, but i can see Bobby Webster doing that
Bobby and this new FO is essentially on a 2 year contract, so they don't have the luxury of making long-term decisions

This means you will see more of this half-measure moves, to reinforce the team.

The key move i see them making is probably an additional ball-handler, or upgrade the guard spot between RJ and Immanuel Quickley

[Duffman100]

I'm not trading this pick, especially if it's somewhere in the lottery. This draft is too good not to play the odds IMO.

100%. Unless it's for a SUBSTANTIAL upgrade, please don't trade our 2026 1st.

i wouldn't want to trade the pick, but i can see Bobby Webster doing that
Bobby and this new FO is essentially on a 2 year contract, so they don't have the luxury of making long-term decisions

This means you will see more of this half-measure moves, to reinforce the team.

The key move i see them making is probably an additional ball-handler, or upgrade the guard spot between RJ and Immanuel Quickley

to me, adding a person to the rotation makes little sense. It would have to be the upgrade like you said.

RJ + 1st for = someone really good that pushes us into the 50 win terrority and top 3 in the East.

[DelAbbot]

If there was a guarantee BI was healthy all year then you trade this years pick with RJ and other pieces for something.

You have been calling for trading away FRP since Tampa. Yes even during Tampa covid season you called for trading FRP.

No GM should follow this incredibly poor advice.

[anotherhomer]

100%. Unless it's for a SUBSTANTIAL upgrade, please don't trade our 2026 1st.

i wouldn't want to trade the pick, but i can see Bobby Webster doing that
Bobby and this new FO is essentially on a 2 year contract, so they don't have the luxury of making long-term decisions

This means you will see more of this half-measure moves, to reinforce the team.

The key move i see them making is probably an additional ball-handler, or upgrade the guard spot between RJ and Immanuel Quickley

to me, adding a person to the rotation makes little sense. It would have to be the upgrade like you said.

RJ + 1st for = someone really good that pushes us into the 50 win terrority and top 3 in the East.

I would agree with you. Well ideally, RJ+1 for a true 3&D shooting guard, would be the ideal move, but Celtics turn that down
Jrue Holiday would had be a nice move, but Cronin isn't stupid to give us Jrue.

CMB for Cason Wallace be nice, but OKC fans truly value Cason for good reason.

[DelAbbot]

the MLSE board prolly had something to do with us, making a lot of short-sighted trade moves in 2021-2022 and 2022-2023
- Thad trade costing us either Nembbard from Pacers, or Kessler from Utah
- the Jakob trade costing us draft position in 2023 draft, missing out on Cason Wallace, Lively, one of Thompson brothers, or Bilal
- passing on Bucks offer for FVV, costing us a FRP and Grayson

but again, there were moves in hindsight, that FO made mistakes on
- Norm trade , one that made sense at the time but didn't work out
- signing Porter over Malik Monk (we needed any capable backup guard)
-

Since 2021, we have zigged when we should have zagged. After Scottie Barnes, we missed top picks in strong drafts due to "competing" and got forced to tank in weak drafts. A series of mistakes that has limited this team's ceiling. We have a 500 team right now and on track of building through hitting on low end picks (like OG, and Siakam) to really have a chance at contender for deep playoffs.

[DreamTeam09]

i wouldn't want to trade the pick, but i can see Bobby Webster doing that
Bobby and this new FO is essentially on a 2 year contract, so they don't have the luxury of making long-term decisions

This means you will see more of this half-measure moves, to reinforce the team.

The key move i see them making is probably an additional ball-handler, or upgrade the guard spot between RJ and Immanuel Quickley

to me, adding a person to the rotation makes little sense. It would have to be the upgrade like you said.

RJ + 1st for = someone really good that pushes us into the 50 win terrority and top 3 in the East.

I would agree with you. Well ideally, RJ+1 for a true 3&D shooting guard, would be the ideal move, but Celtics turn that down
Jrue Holiday would had be a nice move, but Cronin isn't stupid to give us Jrue.

CMB for Cason Wallace be nice, but OKC fans truly value Cason for good reason.

you would trade RJ + 2026 1st for Holiday or White? you would give up CMB for Cason ? Well maybe I would, I'm not the highest on Cason tho, he easily could be an offensive liability if that 3 isn't falling, even worse than RJ

[God Squad]

100%. Unless it's for a SUBSTANTIAL upgrade, please don't trade our 2026 1st.

i wouldn't want to trade the pick, but i can see Bobby Webster doing that
Bobby and this new FO is essentially on a 2 year contract, so they don't have the luxury of making long-term decisions

This means you will see more of this half-measure moves, to reinforce the team.

The key move i see them making is probably an additional ball-handler, or upgrade the guard spot between RJ and Immanuel Quickley

to me, adding a person to the rotation makes little sense. It would have to be the upgrade like you said.

RJ + 1st for = someone really good that pushes us into the 50 win terrority and top 3 in the East.

I'm really keen on keeping the 26' pick and would rather trade an unprotected in 27'. I don't particularly like the 27' class. But I'll admit I'm intrigued by the type of moves Bobby will make moving forward, and for us to figure out his drafting philosophy. It got tiring with Masai getting the credit for all the draft picks, while Bobby was the actual GM.

We'll have to wait and see.

[DelAbbot]

Its funny, that those that are wrong most of the time, are the ones that attack the most. He actually makes very good points. The whole TWO contingency was wrong on nearly every aspect, and they still want to tank (just read the two posts above), despite us playing well.

This is only true if you lived in some alternate reality?

We told you clowns that trading those 1sts for Thad and poeltl was bad and guess what now in hindsight? They were bad.

We also told you guys Fred and Siakam are not it and that we should trade them early in order to tank. Instead what happened? We kept them for too long and Fred left for nothing and Siakam lost his value.

Literally everything you TeamMediocre members predicted ended up being wrong.

Thats what is so sad about you. You are so delusional, that you are making up your own facts.

Those really happened. I'm replying to support 720's post, because that's what really happened.

[DreamTeam09]

This is only true if you lived in some alternate reality?

We told you clowns that trading those 1sts for Thad and poeltl was bad and guess what now in hindsight? They were bad.

We also told you guys Fred and Siakam are not it and that we should trade them early in order to tank. Instead what happened? We kept them for too long and Fred left for nothing and Siakam lost his value.

Literally everything you TeamMediocre members predicted ended up being wrong.

Thats what is so sad about you. You are so delusional, that you are making up your own facts.

Those really happened. I'm replying to support 720's post, because that's what really happened.

but it isn't, Pascal didn't lose value, look what ATl was offering us the summer prior Pascal becoming an expiring.
Prospects that are no longer in the league
The Jakob deal wasn't a bad deal
Tank early? Spurs got wemby from the 10th spot, we were 9th, actually we should've won more games if we wanted wemby

I mean perspectives definitely comes into play here

[DelAbbot]

Thats what is so sad about you. You are so delusional, that you are making up your own facts.

Those really happened. I'm replying to support 720's post, because that's what really happened.

but it isn't, Pascal didn't lose value, look what ATl was offering us the summer prior Pascal becoming an expiring.
Prospects that are no longer in the league
The Jakob deal wasn't a bad deal
Tank early? Spurs got wemby from the 10th spot, we were 9th, actually we should've won more games if we wanted wemby

I mean perspectives definitely comes into play here

"Spurs got wemby from the 10th spot, we were 9th"

Fact check:

https://www.olympics.com/en/news/2023-nba-draft-lottery-date-time-order-odds

What are the team odds for the 2023 NBA Draft Lottery?
1. Detroit Pistons. 17-65. 14.00%
2. Houston Rockets. 22-60. 14.00%
3. San Antonio Spurs. 27-55. 14.00%
4. Charlotte Hornets. 27-55. 12.50%
5. Portland Trailblazers. 33-49. 10.50%
...
13. Toronto Raptors 41-41. 1%

and we TWO get called out for making up facts! SMH

[bluerap23]

This is only true if you lived in some alternate reality?

We told you clowns that trading those 1sts for Thad and poeltl was bad and guess what now in hindsight? They were bad.

We also told you guys Fred and Siakam are not it and that we should trade them early in order to tank. Instead what happened? We kept them for too long and Fred left for nothing and Siakam lost his value.

Literally everything you TeamMediocre members predicted ended up being wrong.

Definitely weird how crappy Siakam OG and Fred insantly became top-2/3 players on "legit contenders" the moment they left.

Any team Vanvleet is top 3 in isn’t a contender. Siakam is a clear number 2.

1. Fred was def 3rd option on Houston. He turned that team around and they were contenders. 2. Why we still talking about these guys. The point is that the team has turned its fortunes around without tanking.

[Duffman100]

Those really happened. I'm replying to support 720's post, because that's what really happened.

but it isn't, Pascal didn't lose value, look what ATl was offering us the summer prior Pascal becoming an expiring.
Prospects that are no longer in the league
The Jakob deal wasn't a bad deal
Tank early? Spurs got wemby from the 10th spot, we were 9th, actually we should've won more games if we wanted wemby

I mean perspectives definitely comes into play here

"Spurs got wemby from the 10th spot, we were 9th"

Fact check:

https://www.olympics.com/en/news/2023-nba-draft-lottery-date-time-order-odds

What are the team odds for the 2023 NBA Draft Lottery?
1. Detroit Pistons. 17-65. 14.00%
2. Houston Rockets. 22-60. 14.00%
3. San Antonio Spurs. 27-55. 14.00%
4. Charlotte Hornets. 27-55. 12.50%
5. Portland Trailblazers. 33-49. 10.50%
...
13. Toronto Raptors 41-41. 1%

and we TWO get called out for making up facts! SMH

My guess is he was thinking Harper.

[anotherhomer]

the MLSE board prolly had something to do with us, making a lot of short-sighted trade moves in 2021-2022 and 2022-2023
- Thad trade costing us either Nembbard from Pacers, or Kessler from Utah
- the Jakob trade costing us draft position in 2023 draft, missing out on Cason Wallace, Lively, one of Thompson brothers, or Bilal
- passing on Bucks offer for FVV, costing us a FRP and Grayson

but again, there were moves in hindsight, that FO made mistakes on
- Norm trade , one that made sense at the time but didn't work out
- signing Porter over Malik Monk (we needed any capable backup guard)
-

Since 2021, we have zigged when we should have zagged. After Scottie Barnes, we missed top picks in strong drafts due to "competing" and got forced to tank in weak drafts. A series of mistakes that has limited this team's ceiling. We have a 500 team right now and on track of building through hitting on low end picks (like OG, and Siakam) to really have a chance at contender for deep playoffs.

yup, for sure, we competitive, but team ceiling is much lower

[bballsparkin]

I'm really keen on keeping the 26' pick and would rather trade an unprotected in 27'. I don't particularly like the 27' class. But I'll admit I'm intrigued by the type of moves Bobby will make moving forward, and for us to figure out his drafting philosophy. It got tiring with Masai getting the credit for all the draft picks, while Bobby was the actual GM.

We'll have to wait and see.

I agree, keep the 2026 pick. It's a great opportunity to add to the roster. A quick check at Tankathon has Philon going to the Raptors at #21. There is a chance to get our future starting PG this draft. Or another legitimate Big like Yaxel. Exciting stuff. I would be sad if they traded the pick and potentially lose faith in Bobby unless it was an absolutely home run trade. The only thing I would differ is the 2027 has to be top 4 protected. I don't want to take the risk of an unprotected pick unless again, the trade was a home run.