bluerap23 wrote:Clutch0z24 wrote:bluerap23 wrote:
It is extremely ironic that you've used the word dumb to rebut my two replies when you are making the consistently dumbest argument made on this forum.
Yet i just posted a chart that proves my point to be right in context to what im saying that the higher you pick the better the outcome percentage wise and you are trying to say im wrong....I gave a list of about 50 or so players that were picked high in the draft that were and look to be great....While you gave me a list of like 8 players...
I mean yeah you can find good players outside of the top parts of the draft but the chances are very small....Ofc there will be outliers here and there but im going off percentages here not just spewing out nonsense.
I have never argued that having a lower pick is better than having a higher pick. I shouldn't have to point that out as it is obvious. I am saying that the draft is a crap shoot. There are so many factors that rely on luck. The raptors had twice the odds of Dallas to land Cooper Flagg. How many years have we seen a tank for wiggins thread? Wiggins has actually been a good NBA player but he is only the 12th best player from that draft. How about Zion (the next LeBron) Williamson.
The point is that building through the draft relies on luck. There are many successful franchises that have become successful without a top 3 pick. The raptors had a decade of great success culminating in a championship without a top 3 pick. Yes there are generational talents that can lead to a dynasty that go number 1. Getting one of those is extremely unlikely. There are also generational talents that do not go number 1 and getting one of those is extremely unlikely.
There are more ways than one to win. Tanking as a strategy is not more successful than other strategies. It is a lot less fun though.
And i never said that tanking is the end all be all either to success ever....I said if you are GOING to tank you have to do it right and get the highest pick possible because the best players and chances are near the top of the draft rather than trying to find one later in the draft....Not half ass it....I also said if you are trying to compete trade your best assets for win now players and don't half ass that as well...
There is luck in both ways you are talking about here....There have been many dynasty franchises that played the draft to find their franchise player before they went on their runs as well....GSW were tanking team before they got Curry, Followed by Klay, Bulls were a tanking team before they got Jordan, followed by Pippen, Celtics Before Bird/McHale, Tatum/Brown, Spurs with Duncan, Now with Wemby/Castle/Harper, Lakers with Magic. Piston with Thomas.
Both ways involve luck because you could try to play the middle and make a trade but end up never having that one "Trade" to catapult you into legit contention and that trade never ever ends up happening and you just stay playing the middle for years without much to show for....We have been on that side of the coin for half a decade now...And we still would need a upgrade trade to be a legit threat in the playoffs atm.
Teams like the DeRozan/Lavine Bulls, Joe Johnson/Josh Smith Hawks, Randolph/Gasol Grizzlies, Arenas/Jamison/Butler Wizards, Allen/Lewis Sonics, These type of teams come to mind...Talented rosters but not good enough to really win....Leads you in no mans land for years.
Both ways are viable options and both can work but don't act like both ways do not involve luck.
