Official Trade Thread Part XLVII

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

The Hawks are 2-3 with Trae, 7-2 without him.

Trae Young is terrible for winning. Worst defender in the league that you CANNOT hide puts a ceiling on your team as he needs to be on ball.
Terrible prototype and Dawkins agrees. Thats why the OKC model firmly stays away from these types.

The Hawks are 2-3 with Trae, 7-2 without him.

The Hawks are 2-3 with Trae, 7-2 without him.

How much did Dallas win with Rick Brunson?
How much did Sacramento win with Tyrese Haliburton?
How. much did Utah win with Donovan Mitchell?

Trae Young is the best true shooter out of Brunson, Haliburton, and Mitchell.
Trae Young has the highest assists per-36 minutes out of the three great guards.

Young is the penetratng PG this team needs. He is a buy-low, extremely high rewards player,

Young is Rod Strickland with Steve Nash accuracy.

[tontoz]

Trae Young is the best true shooter out of Brunson, Haliburton, and Mitchell.

For his career Trae shoots 35.1% from 3.

Brunson is 38.9% for his career, Haliburton 39.2%. Trae has never had even one season shooting that well.

How much did Dallas win with Rick Brunson?

Pretty sure Rick Brunson never played in Dallas.

[nate33]

The Hawks are 2-3 with Trae, 7-2 without him.

Trae Young is terrible for winning. Worst defender in the league that you CANNOT hide puts a ceiling on your team as he needs to be on ball.
Terrible prototype and Dawkins agrees. Thats why the OKC model firmly stays away from these types.

Exactly. There is a zero percent chance that Dawkins has any interest in Young.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Trae Young is the best true shooter out of Brunson, Haliburton, and Mitchell.

For his career Trae shoots 35.1% from 3.

Brunson is 38.9% for his career, Haliburton 39.2%. Trae has never had even one season shooting that well.

How much did Dallas win with Rick Brunson?

Pretty sure Rick Brunson never played in Dallas.

DICK
Brunson?
No, someone else must be dick...

Jalen Brunson is the son. I remember Rick Brunson at Temple. Just like I remember Dell Curry at Virginia Tech. You knew what I meant. Great snarky, you.


True Shooting Pct
Career .578 (95th)
Career NBA .578 (93rd)

It was about 3AM HST of an all-nighter when I posted my Trae Young stuff. Perhaps I am wrong.

I never looked at three-point shooting. I looked at true shooting.percentage.

At his height Trae Young is an NBA top-100.

[tontoz]

Trae Young is the best true shooter out of Brunson, Haliburton, and Mitchell.

For his career Trae shoots 35.1% from 3.

Brunson is 38.9% for his career, Haliburton 39.2%. Trae has never had even one season shooting that well.

How much did Dallas win with Rick Brunson?

Pretty sure Rick Brunson never played in Dallas.

DICK
Brunson?
No, someone else must be dick...

Jalen Brunson is the son. I remember Rick Brunson at Temple. Just like I remember Dell Curry at Virginia Tech. You knew what I meant. Great snarky, you.


True Shooting Pct
Career .578 (95th)
Career NBA .578 (93rd)

It was about 3AM HST of an all-nighter when I posted my Trae Young stuff. Perhaps I am wrong.

I never looked at three-point shooting. I looked at true shooting.percentage.

At his height Trae Young is an NBA top-100.

Jalen Brunson has a career TS of 59.1%, Haliburton 60.6%.

Trae is good at baiting the refs and getting to the foul line but his shooting from the field isn't that good. For his career Trae has a EFG% of 50.3%. Brunson has a career EFG of 54.7%, Haliburton 57.4%.

Steve Nash? He actually led the league in TS not once but twice.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Thanks, tontoz.

I missed it by THAT much.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

The Hawks are 2-3 with Trae, 7-2 without him.

Trae Young is terrible for winning. Worst defender in the league that you CANNOT hide puts a ceiling on your team as he needs to be on ball.
Terrible prototype and Dawkins agrees. Thats why the OKC model firmly stays away from these types.

Exactly. There is a zero percent chance that Dawkins has any interest in Young.

Which is really special considering how mental energy and time i devoted to meaningless conjecture.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

The Hawks are 2-3 with Trae, 7-2 without him.

This is from 11/14:

Atlanta is finding its way without Trae Young. This guy helps:

Read on Twitter

Washington needs a Jalen Johnson.

[tontoz]

The Hawks are 2-3 with Trae, 7-2 without him.

This is from 11/14:

Atlanta is finding its way without Trae Young. This guy helps:

Washington needs a Jalen Johnson.

Johnson is in year 5. How was he doing in year 2?

[nate33]

The Hawks are 2-3 with Trae, 7-2 without him.

This is from 11/14:

Atlanta is finding its way without Trae Young. This guy helps:

Read on Twitter

Washington needs a Jalen Johnson.

We had one. His name was Deni Avdija.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

The Hawks are 2-3 with Trae, 7-2 without him.

This is from 11/14:

Atlanta is finding its way without Trae Young. This guy helps:

Washington needs a Jalen Johnson.

Johnson is in year 5. How was he doing in year 2?

Very good question.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jalen_Johnson

Atlanta didn't throw him into the deep water immediately, like the Wizards did. Johnson appeared in a handful of games as a rookie. His stats were modest in year two, when he had a few starts. 14.9 Min , 5.6 pts, 4.0 rebs, 1.2 ast, .288 3Pt .491 FG

Jalen Johnson BLEW UP HIS THIRD YEAR at age 21, then more his fourth. His passing, rebounding, and three-point shooting got better. He is a ferocious rebounder. His year five is no fluke.

This makes me view the Wizards more patiently. A lot more patiently.

Kyshawn and Alex both are far ahead of year two Jalen Johnson,

[doclinkin]

]Washington needs a Jalen Johnson.

We had one. His name was Deni Avdija.

And how was HE doing in year two?

[nate33]

]Washington needs a Jalen Johnson.

We had one. His name was Deni Avdija.

And how was HE doing in year two?

For the record, I have not stated or implied that I don't think that one of our young players can develop into a Jalen Johnson tier guy. Both Kyshawn and Bilal have the potential. And Riley might too. Time will tell.

I was just addressing CCJ's statement about us needing a guy like that.

[AFM]

What we *need* is a Michael Jordan, or Lebron James, or a Dwayne Wade, or a Kobe Bryant, or a Tracy McGrady

[payitforward]

...Washington needs a Jalen Johnson.

A guy that dczards & I both loved in the run up to the '21 draft. Went 5 picks after Tommy took Kispert....

[dckingsfan]

I think that Atlanta is hoping they get the #1 pick in the draft to take Darryn Peterson and jettison Young.

[nate33]

...Washington needs a Jalen Johnson.

A guy that dczards & I both loved in the run up to the '21 draft. Went 5 picks after Tommy took Kispert....

I was touting him too. I was wondering why he wasn't in the top 5.

But then he bailed on Duke in the middle of the season and he dropped big time in all of the mock drafts. It was really weird. I figured there may have been some off the court issues going on, so I assumed those in the know had reasons for lowering their ranking of him.

[payitforward]

We had one. His name was Deni Avdija.

And how was HE doing in year two?

For the record, I have not stated or implied that I don't think that one of our young players can develop into a Jalen Johnson tier guy. Both Kyshawn and Bilal have the potential. And Riley might too. Time will tell.

I was just addressing CCJ's statement about us needing a guy like that.

Last year, on the numbers, Jalen Johnson was every bit as good as Deni -- & there's no reason to minimize how good that was! Deni was slightly better as a scorer; Johnson was slightly better on the rest of the stuff.

No precise way to compare them as defenders -- Deni is highly regarded; who knows, he may have been significantly superior in that regard. OTOH, Johnson is about a year younger than Deni.

Main point -- these are a couple of terrific players.

[payitforward]

...Washington needs a Jalen Johnson.

A guy that dczards & I both loved in the run up to the '21 draft. Went 5 picks after Tommy took Kispert....

I was touting him too. I was wondering why he wasn't in the top 5.

But then he bailed on Duke in the middle of the season and he dropped big time in all of the mock drafts. It was really weird. I figured there may have been some off the court issues going on, so I assumed those in the know had reasons for lowering their ranking of him.

Right... but he seems to have been a solid citizen in his 4 NBA seasons, so whatever the problem was it's ancient history by now.

Talking about him in the trade thread probably verges on a pipe dream, however. I can't see why Atlanta would want to trade him -- unless they were considering a total rebuild.

[payitforward]

Then again... here's a fun question:

would you trade our pick next year (unknown, obviously) for Jalen Johnson?

How about for Deni Avdija?