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Positive QUAD Talk (Scottie/BI/RJ/IQ)

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Re: Positive Trio Talk (Scottie/BI/RJ) 

Post#121 » by tsherkin » Sat Nov 8, 2025 4:38 pm

I_Like_Dirt wrote:If you want to play the semantics game about #1 rather than just top 5 or whatever, that's up to you,


I do, because there's often a pretty significant difference in quality in that range, and it was related to consideration for DPOY. Top 5 would be very different for voting purposes than first overall, which is why I was being picky in responding to the particular comment made, not because I wanted to throw shade at our defense.

but the Raps are currently 10th in drtg in the league (showing how quick the sample sizes of the first couple games can swing) and have been trending up as they get used to playing with each other. And they have some room to grow there as CMB gets more acclimated and Jak gets healthier.


Sure. And I've already acknowledged that we can be better than we are, that was never a point of contention. I don't think we'll end the season at this particular slot because, as you capably noted, there's a lot of variance at this stage of the season, but I agree that we are also likely quite a bit better than our crappy start. We were projecting improved defense from last year in the offseason, and of course Yak was unhealthy/out for the first couple games, CMB is still finding his groove, Scottie wasn't fully there defensively early on, etc.

We're definitely not apt to end up as a disaster defensively by season's end. Could we be top 5? Maybe. I want to see more of what we look like, but it isn't my early feeling. But considerably better than last year, for sure, and that's comforting.
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Re: Positive Trio Talk (Scottie/BI/RJ) 

Post#122 » by GoRapstheoriginal » Sat Nov 8, 2025 9:40 pm

Big game tonight! Hopefully our big 3/4 will shine on the big stage/bright lights!
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Re: Positive Trio Talk (Scottie/BI/RJ) 

Post#123 » by everdiso » Sat Nov 8, 2025 9:49 pm

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I_Like_Dirt wrote:If you want to play the semantics game about #1 rather than just top 5 or whatever, that's up to you,


I do, because there's often a pretty significant difference in quality in that range, and it was related to consideration for DPOY. Top 5 would be very different for voting purposes than first overall, which is why I was being picky in responding to the particular comment made, not because I wanted to throw shade at our defense. .


If Marcus Smart can win DPOY then anyone can.
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Re: Positive Trio Talk (Scottie/BI/RJ) 

Post#124 » by tsherkin » Sat Nov 8, 2025 10:02 pm

everdiso wrote:If Marcus Smart can win DPOY then anyone can.


Right, the voters screw up about every 15 years or so. It happens. Possible? Yes. Very unlikely, though. We'll see. I'd love if it Scottie could develop into that level of player, but he doesn't really seem to be the right style for that.

Again, though, I'd love to be wrong. That's not one I'd complain about too much ;)
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Re: Positive Trio Talk (Scottie/BI/RJ) 

Post#125 » by I_Like_Dirt » Sun Nov 9, 2025 1:03 am

tsherkin wrote:
I do, because there's often a pretty significant difference in quality in that range, and it was related to consideration for DPOY. Top 5 would be very different for voting purposes than first overall, which is why I was being picky in responding to the particular comment made, not because I wanted to throw shade at our defense.


The DPOY last year went to a player on the 8th best defensive team. This kind of thing definitely happens.

Voting is weird and more narrative+role based than reality based. If the Raps are a top 5 defensive team despite a bunch of rotation guys not known as great defenders it's not out of the realm of possibility for voters to go looking for reasons to explain it and they never settle on talent collections. I see the Marcus Smart example but I still feel that Chandler and Noah bookending what should have been a Marc Gasol 3-peat as the most outrageous (and Marc Gasol wasn't on the top drtg team any of those years, nor were Chandler or Noah).
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Re: Positive Trio Talk (Scottie/BI/RJ) 

Post#126 » by tsherkin » Sun Nov 9, 2025 1:06 am

I_Like_Dirt wrote:The DPOY last year went to a player on the 8th best defensive team. This kind of thing definitely happens.


Yup, it does. TBF, they were a 64-win team, so there was some narrative weight behind that as well, but yes, you're correct.

II just don't see us getting to that level. I don't think we'll have the mix of high-end D coupled to loads of wins in order for the narrative to be there. Again, I'd love to be wrong. And maybe in this environment we've built where Scottie's offense is looking easier, he'll have a little more enthusiasm and energy to get to a new level on D.

That'd be really awesome!
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Re: Positive Trio Talk (Scottie/BI/RJ) 

Post#127 » by WuTang_CMB » Tue Nov 18, 2025 4:54 am

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Re: Positive Trio Talk (Scottie/BI/RJ) 

Post#128 » by LoveMyRaps » Tue Nov 18, 2025 5:00 am

Rename thread to Positive Quadro Talk
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Re: Positive Trio Talk (Scottie/BI/RJ) 

Post#129 » by LoveMyRaps » Tue Nov 18, 2025 5:00 am

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Players like RJ don't grow on trees.

Only trade him if it's for a significant upgrade.
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Re: Positive Trio Talk (Scottie/BI/RJ) 

Post#130 » by tsherkin » Tue Nov 18, 2025 4:27 pm

LoveMyRaps wrote:
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Players like RJ don't grow on trees.

Only trade him if it's for a significant upgrade.


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Re: Positive Trio Talk (Scottie/BI/RJ) 

Post#131 » by OakleyDokely » Tue Nov 18, 2025 4:31 pm

How about a.foursome

IQ's splits up to 47/38/76 with a tidy 16/6/5/1
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Re: Positive Trio Talk (Scottie/BI/RJ) 

Post#132 » by LoveMyRaps » Tue Nov 18, 2025 4:36 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:How about a.foursome

IQ's splits up to 47/38/76 with a tidy 16/6/5/1



I think he can get up to 19/6/6 by All-Star break
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Re: Positive Trio Talk (Scottie/BI/RJ) 

Post#133 » by tsherkin » Tue Nov 18, 2025 4:43 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:How about a.foursome

IQ's splits up to 47/38/76 with a tidy 16/6/5/1


IQ has been very good.
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Re: Positive Trio Talk (Scottie/BI/RJ) 

Post#134 » by nikster » Tue Nov 18, 2025 4:46 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:How about a.foursome

IQ's splits up to 47/38/76 with a tidy 16/6/5/1

And he's at 43% from 3 during this 8-1 stretch. Nice to see him turn it around after a slow start
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Re: Positive Trio Talk (Scottie/BI/RJ) 

Post#135 » by tsherkin » Tue Nov 18, 2025 4:48 pm

nikster wrote:And he's at 43% from 3 during this 8-1 stretch. Nice to see him turn it around after a slow start


TBF, his 3 wasn't that slow. He had 3 rough games to start and then he's been shooting 44.3% since and including game 4. He's just needed some of his shooting inside the arc to come around, and over that same stretch (aka the last 11 games), he's shooting over 56% from 2. His struggles were always a bit overblown.
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Re: Positive QUAD Talk (Scottie/BI/RJ/IQ) 

Post#136 » by Grew » Tue Nov 18, 2025 4:53 pm

IQ has been good, he's still more of a combo guard but he's been picking his spots well the last few games. He's figuring out how our offense flows and hasn't been forcing as much as he was to start the year. The last two games have been especially impressive, just how he let's the game come to him.
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Re: Positive QUAD Talk (Scottie/BI/RJ/IQ) 

Post#137 » by PushDaRock » Tue Nov 18, 2025 5:01 pm

The Big 3 is out of style, it's now all about The Big 4!!!
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Re: Positive QUAD Talk (Scottie/BI/RJ/IQ) 

Post#138 » by everdiso » Tue Nov 18, 2025 5:02 pm

I mean IQ is clearly better than RJ so the title change is the least we can do.
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Re: Positive QUAD Talk (Scottie/BI/RJ/IQ) 

Post#139 » by ATLTimekeeper » Tue Nov 18, 2025 5:02 pm

This feels insulting to Poeltl. Plus update thread title to QUINT Talk
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Re: Positive QUAD Talk (Scottie/BI/RJ/IQ) 

Post#140 » by TheGeneral99 » Tue Nov 18, 2025 5:05 pm

In recent games RJ has been tough for me.

Offensively, I love his aggressiveness and his ability to move without the ball, cut and get open. It's great he doesn't need many plays called for him and he can still score.

On the other hand, he has major tunnel vision when he drives, his aggressiveness can go overboard resulting in turnovers or dumb shots, and his defense isn't great.

I wish RJ developed a bit of a mid-range game and a floater, because it's so obvious he just wants to drive with his left-hand, and he's damn good at it, but I worry that good teams will take advantage of us. He's a great finisher in the paint, but he seems also easy to game plan.

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