Positive QUAD Talk (Scottie/BI/RJ/IQ)

[nikster]

And he's at 43% from 3 during this 8-1 stretch. Nice to see him turn it around after a slow start

TBF, his 3 wasn't that slow. He had 3 rough games to start and then he's been shooting 44.3% since and including game 4. He's just needed some of his shooting inside the arc to come around, and over that same stretch (aka the last 11 games), he's shooting over 56% from 2. His struggles were always a bit overblown.

Yeah your right. But its funny because his 2 point% was great those first 3 games

[TheGeneral99]

IQ has been good, he's still more of a combo guard but he's been picking his spots well the last few games. He's figuring out how our offense flows and hasn't been forcing as much as he was to start the year. The last two games have been especially impressive, just how he let's the game come to him.

To me he's like a bigger version of Lou Williams with a higher IQ.

[raptorforlife88]

I definitely panicked over Quickley's play so it's funny that right now he rates out second behind Scottie in terms of BPM amongst the four of them. Did not take him long to seriously turn that slow start around.

I still feel like he has too hard of a time breaking down defenders in order to create an advantage for a pass (especially sometimes when you compare him to Shead), but he does enough other things well on that end that he's still got value.

[everdiso]

Record vs Schedule


Record & Pt Diff Per gm vs Ranked Opponents

1. OKC: 0gms
2. DET: 0gms
3. DEN: 0gms
4. HOU: 1gms, 0-1, -18.0
5. LAL: 0gms

Vs. Top-5: 1gms, 0-1, -18.0

6. SAS: 1gms, 0-1, -18.0
7. CLE: 2gms, 2-0, +12.0
8. MIN: 0gms
9. TOR: ---
10. ATL: 2gms, 2-0, +16.0

Vs 6-10: 5gms, 4-1, +7.6

11. NYK: 0gms
12. PHI: 1gms, 0-1, -10.0
13. GSW: 0gms
14. PHX: 0gms
15. MIA: 0gms

Vs 11-15: 1gms, 0-1, -10.0

16. CHI: 0gms
17. MIL: 2gms, 1-1, +11.0
18. BOS: 0gms
19. ORL: 0gms
20. POR: 0gms

Vs 16-20: 2gms, 1-1, +11.0

21. UTA: 0gms
22. CHA: 1gms, 1-0, +2.0
23. LAL: 0gms
24. MEM: 1gms, 1-0, +13.0
25. DAL: 1gms, 0-1, -10.0

Vs 21-25: 3gms, 2-1, +1.7

26. SAC: 0gms
27. BKN: 1gms, 1-0, +10.0
28. NOP: 0gms
29. WSH: 0gms
30. IND: 1gms, 1-0, +18.0

Vs. 26-30: 2gms, 2-0, +14.0




Vs. Top-10: 6gms, 4-2, +3.3
Vs. Mid-10: 3gms, 1-2, +4.0
Vs. Bot-10: 5gms, 4-1, +7.0

[everdiso]

IQ has been good, he's still more of a combo guard but he's been picking his spots well the last few games. He's figuring out how our offense flows and hasn't been forcing as much as he was to start the year. The last two games have been especially impressive, just how he let's the game come to him.

To me he's like a bigger version of Lou Williams with a higher IQ.

IQ is nowhere near the defensive liability that Lou was.

[everdiso]

This feels insulting to Poeltl. Plus update thread title to QUINT Talk

not wrong.

[TheGeneral99]

IQ has been good, he's still more of a combo guard but he's been picking his spots well the last few games. He's figuring out how our offense flows and hasn't been forcing as much as he was to start the year. The last two games have been especially impressive, just how he let's the game come to him.

To me he's like a bigger version of Lou Williams with a higher IQ.

IQ is nowhere near the defensive liability that Lou was.

Agreed.

[rapz101]

Not a problem for today or maybe even for the rest of the year, but at some point the raps will need to figure out the exact HOW we beat teams. In other words, what does everyone do on this team to contribute to a successful recipe towards winning. Those roles are slowly forming but hot streaks are not a sustainable way of winning and I have my reservations regarding IQ’s particular skill that will be present no matter if he’s hot or cold. He’s not the best playmaker, struggles at times to get to his spots, his shot comes and goes, and he doesn’t finish at the rim with strength (more of a runner/floater guy).

TL;DR: IQ is the easiest for other teams to figure out and his game is the swing skill between this team being where it is right now and being a serious contender. If he can apply pressure by sticking his open looks, hitting transition threes and being an opportunistic driver (finishing consistently), I think this team can take it up a notch.

[everdiso]

Not a problem for today or maybe even for the rest of the year, but at some point the raps will need to figure out the exact HOW we beat teams. In other words, what does everyone do on this team to contribute to a successful recipe towards winning. Those roles are slowly forming but hot streaks are not a sustainable way of winning

what's the "hot" part, tho?

and I have my reservations regarding IQ’s particular skill that will be present no matter if he’s hot or cold. He’s not the best playmaker, struggles at times to get to his spots, his shot comes and goes, and he doesn’t finish at the rim with strength (more of a runner/floater guy).

TL;DR: IQ is the easiest for other teams to figure out and his game is the swing skill between this team being where it is right now and being a serious contender. If he can apply pressure by sticking his open looks, hitting transition threes and being an opportunistic driver (finishing consistently), I think this team can take it up a notch.

Quickley

Age 21: 19.4mpg, 25.6usg%, 55.7ts%, +0.9bpm - Per36: 21.2pts, 3.7ast/1.7to
Age 22: 23.1mpg, 22.2usg%, 54.3ts%, +0.2bpm - Per36: 17.6pts, 5.5ast/2.0to
Age 23: 28.9mpg, 20.9usg%, 57.8ts%, +1.7bpm - Per36: 18.6pts, 4.3ast/1.5to
Age 24: 29.2mpg, 23.8usg%, 57.7ts%, +1.3bpm - Per36: 21.0pts, 6.0ast/1.8to
Age 25: 27.8mpg, 25.1usg%, 57.0ts%, +2.2bpm - Per36: 22.1pts, 7.5ast/2.3to
Age 26: 31.5mpg, 20.2usg%, 59.4ts%, +1.8bpm - Per36: 18.0pts, 7.0ast/2.1to

I mean maybe there were/are some doubts about whether he can continue this level in fulltime starter minutes, but he's doing it now, and there's no reason to think he won't continue what he's always been able to do.

[youreachiteach]

I think they are developing it. I don't see why it can't work . I get it's not a traditional system where the pecking order is more refined--but with the way Darko's offense works that's not really a problem. Each player has strengths that are improved and weaknesses that are somewhat alleviated. It would be great if we could turn RJ+ (something) into a better three and D player but there is little available.

The truth is the league is heavily skewed towards offense (yes, perhaps even more efficient than we offer) so I think keeping the weapons we have is actually more appropriate. We have had defensive superteams that were pathetic offensively. Darko's offense got some of the most wide open offense in the league last year, but no one could hit the shots.

Now we have enough gravity and varied skillsets that with even decent defense we will be a top team in the conference (though admittedly not a contender, but you never know). I guess the hope from management is that Grady (perhaps) or JaKobe (we'll see) steps up to become a replacement by the end of the year. If not, then a consolidations trade will happen.

However, I like how this team works right now, and they deserve a shot to see where it goes (not discounting some smaller moves at the deadline...perhaps a backup shot blocker for cheap).

[youreachiteach]

Quickley

Age 21: 19.4mpg, 25.6usg%, 55.7ts%, +0.9bpm - Per36: 21.2pts, 3.7ast/1.7to
Age 22: 23.1mpg, 22.2usg%, 54.3ts%, +0.2bpm - Per36: 17.6pts, 5.5ast/2.0to
Age 23: 28.9mpg, 20.9usg%, 57.8ts%, +1.7bpm - Per36: 18.6pts, 4.3ast/1.5to
Age 24: 29.2mpg, 23.8usg%, 57.7ts%, +1.3bpm - Per36: 21.0pts, 6.0ast/1.8to
Age 25: 27.8mpg, 25.1usg%, 57.0ts%, +2.2bpm - Per36: 22.1pts, 7.5ast/2.3to
Age 26: 31.5mpg, 20.2usg%, 59.4ts%, +1.8bpm - Per36: 18.0pts, 7.0ast/2.1to

I mean maybe there were/are some doubts about whether he can continue this level in fulltime starter minutes, but he's doing it now, and there's no reason to think he won't continue what he's always been able to do.[/quote]

Darko is not asking any player to go beyond their skillset very much. We already prepared RJ last year to be more of a facilitator and Scottie can morph into anything we like. The truth is is IQ just hits shots and spreads the floor without ball hogging that will work. RJ cutting off ball will work. Ingram's mid range will work...and so on. Maybe we won't be a top 6 offense forever but I think it settles in top 10.

[Psubs]

Not a problem for today or maybe even for the rest of the year, but at some point the raps will need to figure out the exact HOW we beat teams. In other words, what does everyone do on this team to contribute to a successful recipe towards winning. Those roles are slowly forming but hot streaks are not a sustainable way of winning and I have my reservations regarding IQ’s particular skill that will be present no matter if he’s hot or cold. He’s not the best playmaker, struggles at times to get to his spots, his shot comes and goes, and he doesn’t finish at the rim with strength (more of a runner/floater guy).

TL;DR: IQ is the easiest for other teams to figure out and his game is the swing skill between this team being where it is right now and being a serious contender. If he can apply pressure by sticking his open looks, hitting transition threes and being an opportunistic driver (finishing consistently), I think this team can take it up a notch.

I think if he's cold in a game limit his minutes and maybe don't play him along side Shead unless the matchup dictates it.

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[rapz101]

Not a problem for today or maybe even for the rest of the year, but at some point the raps will need to figure out the exact HOW we beat teams. In other words, what does everyone do on this team to contribute to a successful recipe towards winning. Those roles are slowly forming but hot streaks are not a sustainable way of winning

what's the "hot" part, tho?

and I have my reservations regarding IQ’s particular skill that will be present no matter if he’s hot or cold. He’s not the best playmaker, struggles at times to get to his spots, his shot comes and goes, and he doesn’t finish at the rim with strength (more of a runner/floater guy).

TL;DR: IQ is the easiest for other teams to figure out and his game is the swing skill between this team being where it is right now and being a serious contender. If he can apply pressure by sticking his open looks, hitting transition threes and being an opportunistic driver (finishing consistently), I think this team can take it up a notch.

Quickley

Age 21: 19.4mpg, 25.6usg%, 55.7ts%, +0.9bpm - Per36: 21.2pts, 3.7ast/1.7to
Age 22: 23.1mpg, 22.2usg%, 54.3ts%, +0.2bpm - Per36: 17.6pts, 5.5ast/2.0to
Age 23: 28.9mpg, 20.9usg%, 57.8ts%, +1.7bpm - Per36: 18.6pts, 4.3ast/1.5to
Age 24: 29.2mpg, 23.8usg%, 57.7ts%, +1.3bpm - Per36: 21.0pts, 6.0ast/1.8to
Age 25: 27.8mpg, 25.1usg%, 57.0ts%, +2.2bpm - Per36: 22.1pts, 7.5ast/2.3to
Age 26: 31.5mpg, 20.2usg%, 59.4ts%, +1.8bpm - Per36: 18.0pts, 7.0ast/2.1to

I mean maybe there were/are some doubts about whether he can continue this level in fulltime starter minutes, but he's doing it now, and there's no reason to think he won't continue what he's always been able to do.

As far as the “hot” part goes I’m referring to when he happens to be hitting his spot-up and transition threes. With Ingram now in the fold, we are beginning to see the formation of something that works. Thinking at a higher level, it seems IQ getting back on track has gained him some gravity and opened up lanes for BI, SB, and RJ’s game. Now between the four of those guys, I think IQ needs to show he can be consistent in his role because to this point I think defences play the percentages on him and that doesn’t bode well for the offence overall. Additionally, IQ was brought in and touted for his shooting and he’s arguably been the most disappointing for what he is suppose to be bringing on a nightly basis.


And as for your second point, he has a rather volatile shooting pattern. He’s currently shooting 57% on 2p shots (46% last year) and has been at 37% on 3’s for the year (mind you after a putrid start to the year). Also he’s shooting at a 63% clip from 10-16 feet this year, last year, 43%. So my point is, if he is going to be prone to hot and cold streaks, it’ll be easier to defend him because (as the opponents have done in the past) you just have to defend him on the percentages. Consistency as you pointed out would change that for sure, I’m hoping he will figure it out, but I think the skepticism is warranted.

[rapz101]

Not a problem for today or maybe even for the rest of the year, but at some point the raps will need to figure out the exact HOW we beat teams. In other words, what does everyone do on this team to contribute to a successful recipe towards winning. Those roles are slowly forming but hot streaks are not a sustainable way of winning and I have my reservations regarding IQ’s particular skill that will be present no matter if he’s hot or cold. He’s not the best playmaker, struggles at times to get to his spots, his shot comes and goes, and he doesn’t finish at the rim with strength (more of a runner/floater guy).

TL;DR: IQ is the easiest for other teams to figure out and his game is the swing skill between this team being where it is right now and being a serious contender. If he can apply pressure by sticking his open looks, hitting transition threes and being an opportunistic driver (finishing consistently), I think this team can take it up a notch.

I think if he's cold in a game limit his minutes and maybe don't play him along side Shead unless the matchup dictates it.

I think thats fair. I think after having Lowry/ FVV over the past decade, having to platoon your PG in this way just feels like a team capping move. If we have intentions of eventually competing at a high level (and I recognize we are still building) I point to decisions that we make like what you suggested as an area for improvement. And if IQ isn’t improving to a place where this isn’t an issue anymore, maybe we need someone else?

Not sure what the solution looks like, but having to sub out your 175m dollar man because he’s not doing anything else of value due to his shot being off is a bit crazy to me.

Having said that, loving the good vibes and happy the team is having some success right now, but as we become a more sturdy team, I imagine this is an issue that will need addressing if IQ doesn’t resolve it first.

[YogurtProducer]

Not a problem for today or maybe even for the rest of the year, but at some point the raps will need to figure out the exact HOW we beat teams. In other words, what does everyone do on this team to contribute to a successful recipe towards winning. Those roles are slowly forming but hot streaks are not a sustainable way of winning and I have my reservations regarding IQ’s particular skill that will be present no matter if he’s hot or cold. He’s not the best playmaker, struggles at times to get to his spots, his shot comes and goes, and he doesn’t finish at the rim with strength (more of a runner/floater guy).

TL;DR: IQ is the easiest for other teams to figure out and his game is the swing skill between this team being where it is right now and being a serious contender. If he can apply pressure by sticking his open looks, hitting transition threes and being an opportunistic driver (finishing consistently), I think this team can take it up a notch.

I think if he's cold in a game limit his minutes and maybe don't play him along side Shead unless the matchup dictates it.

I think thats fair. I think after having Lowry/ FVV over the past decade, having to platoon your PG in this way just feels like a team capping move. If we have intentions of eventually competing at a high level (and I recognize we are still building) I point to decisions that we make like what you suggested as an area for improvement. And if IQ isn’t improving to a place where this isn’t an issue anymore, maybe we need someone else?

Not sure what the solution looks like, but having to sub out your 175m dollar man because he’s not doing anything else of value due to his shot being off is a bit crazy to me.

Having said that, loving the good vibes and happy the team is having some success right now, but as we become a more sturdy team, I imagine this is an issue that will need addressing if IQ doesn’t resolve it first.

I think the idea that IQ only is a shooter and nothing else is just comically wrong.

The guy playmakes at a good level. Protects the ball. Is a decent defender. Borderline elite shooter. Nice in between floater game.

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[Godaddycurse]

Amongst PGs (per BRef), IQ is
9th in win shares
14th in BPM
11th in TS%

he's playing like the solid starting PG that he is paid to be

[tsherkin]

And he's at 43% from 3 during this 8-1 stretch. Nice to see him turn it around after a slow start

TBF, his 3 wasn't that slow. He had 3 rough games to start and then he's been shooting 44.3% since and including game 4. He's just needed some of his shooting inside the arc to come around, and over that same stretch (aka the last 11 games), he's shooting over 56% from 2. His struggles were always a bit overblown.

Yeah your right. But its funny because his 2 point% was great those first 3 games

His 5th to 8th games were where his 2P% sucked, but he's been shooting fine from 3 since his 4th game. And now, he's been crushing it overall. Quick's fine. It was just early-season kvetching from fans. We are basically wired to bitch, and to bitch early. C'est la vie xD