Collin Murray-Boyles Thread

[anotherhomer]

Yeah if this team had started differently and looked worse we might be seeing CMB playing a different kind of role. But the team already looks very good, so instead he gets to stay out there if he consistently makes the right plays, and plays within his limitations. He's clearly very very capable of that, he seems entirely content to stick to what he's told to do by the coaches (a good sign of his coachability).

I would draw a real contrast between him and Jakobe here. Jakobe has/had a chance to play a similar role and has been given several opportunities to do so, but seems to struggle a lot more with playing within his limitations. He often takes a poor shot out of the flow of the offense when he hasn't had an opportunity to shoot yet.

CMB just makes the right plays.....has a lot of room to grow

[ontnut]

I thought his defence would be a little bit better than shown so far, tbh. But on the flip side his outside shooting has been a little bit better thatn exepected.

Slight lack of size and athleticism has hampered him a bit, as expected. But he's also clearly smart with a solid BBIQ, so I'm sure he'll figure out how to overcome that in the coming months and years.

Not much of a surprise to how he has started his career - he's pretty much exactly the player that was advertised pre-draft. A smaller 4 who can do a bit of everything. If he was 3-4 inches taller, I'd be much higher on his career trajectory, but there's always room for a versatile player who shows willingness to play defence and learn. It just appears he's always going to have the size/athleticism disadvantage at the position he is guarding.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Yeah if this team had started differently and looked worse we might be seeing CMB playing a different kind of role. But the team already looks very good, so instead he gets to stay out there if he consistently makes the right plays, and plays within his limitations. He's clearly very very capable of that, he seems entirely content to stick to what he's told to do by the coaches (a good sign of his coachability).

I would draw a real contrast between him and Jakobe here. Jakobe has/had a chance to play a similar role and has been given several opportunities to do so, but seems to struggle a lot more with playing within his limitations. He often takes a poor shot out of the flow of the offense when he hasn't had an opportunity to shoot yet.

No, his role is to just hound the ballhandler and shoot open 3s. He's just missing his open 3s. CMB is making his. The contrast is that they are different positional players. There's more opportunity for CMB to score when he's a big man rolling off coverage, or hunting offensive rebounds.

[youreachiteach]

I think he eventually becomes a three/four hybrid. he can shoot, he can defend multiple actions, he has good footwork.

[raptorforlife88]

Yeah if this team had started differently and looked worse we might be seeing CMB playing a different kind of role. But the team already looks very good, so instead he gets to stay out there if he consistently makes the right plays, and plays within his limitations. He's clearly very very capable of that, he seems entirely content to stick to what he's told to do by the coaches (a good sign of his coachability).

I would draw a real contrast between him and Jakobe here. Jakobe has/had a chance to play a similar role and has been given several opportunities to do so, but seems to struggle a lot more with playing within his limitations. He often takes a poor shot out of the flow of the offense when he hasn't had an opportunity to shoot yet.

No, his role is to just hound the ballhandler and shoot open 3s. He's just missing his open 3s. CMB is making his. The contrast is that they are different positional players. There's more opportunity for CMB to score when he's a big man rolling off coverage, or hunting offensive rebounds.

I didn't mean a literal similar role. I meant a role in which the number of things they need to be responsible for is small and focused, and to be kept within their limitations as players. Obviously they play positions.

[anotherhomer]

I think he eventually becomes a three/four hybrid. he can shoot, he can defend multiple actions, he has good footwork.

ya 3/4 tweener defender role....

I think raptors intentionally took a lower ceiling guy but with a higher floor who can contribute right away

[Basketball_Jones]

He looks a bit smallish out there so I still see him as a 3/4 bully ball guy. His passing ability is quite good though hes had some really awesome ones. Looks like a 70 percent free throw guy and a good spot up 3 point shooter like Siakam kind of.

[PushDaRock]

I think he eventually becomes a three/four hybrid. he can shoot, he can defend multiple actions, he has good footwork.

ya 3/4 tweener defender role....

I think raptors intentionally took a lower ceiling guy but with a higher floor who can contribute right away

[Appostis]

I think he eventually becomes a three/four hybrid. he can shoot, he can defend multiple actions, he has good footwork.

ya 3/4 tweener defender role....

I think raptors intentionally took a lower ceiling guy but with a higher floor who can contribute right away

Congratulations.

Takes this bad don't come around every day.

[anotherhomer]

I think he eventually becomes a three/four hybrid. he can shoot, he can defend multiple actions, he has good footwork.

ya 3/4 tweener defender role....

I think raptors intentionally took a lower ceiling guy but with a higher floor who can contribute right away

how many times have realgm overhype some prospect, barnes included, only for them to fall short

barnes, Pascal, etc etc.......i'm just keep expectations in check. CMB is a good player but i'm not sure if he's going to be someone carrying the offense

[JCP11]

ya 3/4 tweener defender role....

I think raptors intentionally took a lower ceiling guy but with a higher floor who can contribute right away

how many times have realgm overhype some prospect, barnes included, only for them to fall short

barnes, Pascal, etc etc.......i'm just keep expectations in check. CMB is a good player but i'm not sure if he's going to be someone carrying the offense

It's been only 15 games, there's no need to make statements now. Nobody knew after 15 games that Pascal would become the player that he is and before this season I didn't know Scottie would take this kind of step. Just enjoy the season, the progression and wait a few years.

[PushDaRock]

ya 3/4 tweener defender role....

I think raptors intentionally took a lower ceiling guy but with a higher floor who can contribute right away

how many times have realgm overhype some prospect, barnes included, only for them to fall short

barnes, Pascal, etc etc.......i'm just keep expectations in check. CMB is a good player but i'm not sure if he's going to be someone carrying the offense

What do expectations have to do with you thinking they took him knowing he has a low ceiling?

[tsherkin]

ya 3/4 tweener defender role....

I think raptors intentionally took a lower ceiling guy but with a higher floor who can contribute right away

how many times have realgm overhype some prospect, barnes included, only for them to fall short

barnes, Pascal, etc etc.......i'm just keep expectations in check. CMB is a good player but i'm not sure if he's going to be someone carrying the offense

Is anyone really asking him to carry the offense? I think people are just saying he can support a little more usage on offense.

[no dice]

Ever since the start of the season his shot looks way better than advertised. I can see a Paul Millsap in him. Great pick

[MoneyBall]

One of the reasons our bench unit is playing so well, is because CMB is making smart plays constantly. The extra pass, the solid box out etc.

His kick out to Gradey last night was a thing of beauty.

Read on Twitter

[TeamDisgruntled]

Ever since the start of the season his shot looks way better than advertised. I can see a Paul Millsap in him. Great pick

Paul Millsap with playmaking and passing ability is an incredible player so we can only hope. He’s a naturally big guy but if he can get in truly great shape, allowing him to add just a touch more athleticism.. it’s gonna get very interesting.

[TeamDisgruntled]

I thought his defence would be a little bit better than shown so far, tbh. But on the flip side his outside shooting has been a little bit better thatn exepected.

Slight lack of size and athleticism has hampered him a bit, as expected. But he's also clearly smart with a solid BBIQ, so I'm sure he'll figure out how to overcome that in the coming months and years.

Not much of a surprise to how he has started his career - he's pretty much exactly the player that was advertised pre-draft. A smaller 4 who can do a bit of everything. If he was 3-4 inches taller, I'd be much higher on his career trajectory, but there's always room for a versatile player who shows willingness to play defence and learn. It just appears he's always going to have the size/athleticism disadvantage at the position he is guarding.

Rookies are rarely good defenders but you can definitely
See that he has all the tools to be one. Scottie was very much the same in his rookie year, all the tools not so much the results but look at him now.

[Yallbecrazy]

What's this knee soreness about?

[dagger]

If he was 3-4 inches taller, I'd be much higher on his career trajectory...

If he were 3-4 inches taller, he would have been a top 5 pick.

[Psubs]

I thought his defence would be a little bit better than shown so far, tbh. But on the flip side his outside shooting has been a little bit better thatn exepected.

Slight lack of size and athleticism has hampered him a bit, as expected. But he's also clearly smart with a solid BBIQ, so I'm sure he'll figure out how to overcome that in the coming months and years.

Not much of a surprise to how he has started his career - he's pretty much exactly the player that was advertised pre-draft. A smaller 4 who can do a bit of everything. If he was 3-4 inches taller, I'd be much higher on his career trajectory, but there's always room for a versatile player who shows willingness to play defence and learn. It just appears he's always going to have the size/athleticism disadvantage at the position he is guarding.

Rookies are rarely good defenders but you can definitely
See that he has all the tools to be one. Scottie was very much the same in his rookie year, all the tools not so much the results but look at him now.

Yup, him at Chucky are how they want to build. Need time to acclimate to the speed and skill of pro players.