Trade Thread (EPISODE VII: Which team wants our bad players for their good players?)

[Onus]

Depends on what the 1sts are. If they're fully unprotected FRPs in the latter year, say 30/32, that might be enough. How many of OKC's middling 1st rounders could we get if we traded them our unprotected 2030 and 2032? I'd guess, at least 5. Obviously, this year's LAC pick not included but all those mid firsts they've collected? 5 sounds about right.

If it's those 2 picks and podz, can't you make the argument that podz has the value of a mid first? If Sac was offering an FRP for JK (even though we'd have to take Monk), can't you say JK = a late first? 2 young players + expiring salary + 2 premium picks may be enough to get it done. Throw in a lightly protected pick swap and it probably gets done.

This board is super low on JK (not me) and Podz (me). They likely have more value around the league than we think. Isn't the problem that JJJ got an extension and is making 50M next year vs the 35 this season?

JK is not a late 1st. The 1st was for the salary dump of Monk on top of the 2 2nds they originally offered. But say the Grizz did value JK as a late 1st. 4 1sts for JJJ still seems light.

We know JK doesn't have value around the league. We literally just witnessed his agent scour the league for value and no one was offering it. Hell it's come out Toronto and Utah said absolutely not to JK.

I don't think that's true. His contractual situation was a limiting factor and if in Feb he gets the same lukewarm offers, I'll agree with you.

It's more likely JK is still on the team because of the lukewarm offers that won't be leaked.

[xdrta+]

Isn't the problem that JJJ got an extension and is making 50M next year vs the 35 this season?

The "poison pill" provision you may be thinking of only applies to rookie scale extensions, so not JJJ.

[vvoland]

JK is not a late 1st. The 1st was for the salary dump of Monk on top of the 2 2nds they originally offered. But say the Grizz did value JK as a late 1st. 4 1sts for JJJ still seems light.

We know JK doesn't have value around the league. We literally just witnessed his agent scour the league for value and no one was offering it. Hell it's come out Toronto and Utah said absolutely not to JK.

I don't think that's true. His contractual situation was a limiting factor and if in Feb he gets the same lukewarm offers, I'll agree with you.

It's more likely JK is still on the team because of the lukewarm offers that won't be leaked.

If he's still on the team while playing up and down like he has to start the season, I'll agree with you that the market for him is very poor. The logic being, if he's not excelling, they'll be looking to move him, if only for Monk and a pick. If that's the best offer they get (even if we dont' hear about it) and they keep him, i'll concede the point.

[Ilovethebay]

Wonder what the Mavs want for AD? I know the injury risk is pretty big, but that’s the only reason why he would be obtainable in the first place.

[Hoopstar23]

Wonder what the Mavs want for AD? I know the injury risk is pretty big, but that’s the only reason why he would be obtainable in the first place.

a deal would have to take place Jan 15th, would you do:

Kuminga
Moody
Podz
Buddy
and a 1st round pick

FOR

Anthony Davis

the development of Will Richard makes me okay parting with Moody and Melton should be back, maybe we pick up a back up PG or SG in buyout but this is what a deal looks like unless you want to trade Draymond instead... what do you think?

[xdrta+]

Wonder what the Mavs want for AD? I know the injury risk is pretty big, but that’s the only reason why he would be obtainable in the first place.

a deal would have to take place Jan 15th, would you do:

Kuminga
Moody
Podz
Buddy
and a 1st round pick

FOR

Anthony Davis

the development of Will Richard makes me okay parting with Moody and Melton should be back, maybe we pick up a back up PG or SG in buyout but this is what a deal looks like unless you want to trade Draymond instead... what do you think?

You have to add up salaries to find out if a trade works. This one needs about 7.2M more, which means 2 more players (if you include Horford) or 3 players (Melton, Payton, and Gui, for instance.) This leaves 8 or 9 players and no room under the hard cap to sign anyone.

If you want Davis, you have to trade Draymond, or Butler. There's no realistic way to do it otherwise.

[Hoopstar23]

Wonder what the Mavs want for AD? I know the injury risk is pretty big, but that’s the only reason why he would be obtainable in the first place.

a deal would have to take place Jan 15th, would you do:

Kuminga
Moody
Podz
Buddy
and a 1st round pick

FOR

Anthony Davis

the development of Will Richard makes me okay parting with Moody and Melton should be back, maybe we pick up a back up PG or SG in buyout but this is what a deal looks like unless you want to trade Draymond instead... what do you think?

You have to add up salaries to find out if a trade works. This one needs about 7.2M more, which means 2 more players (if you include Horford) or 3 players (Melton, Payton, and Gui, for instance.) This leaves 8 or 9 players and no room under the hard cap to sign anyone.

If you want Davis, you have to trade Draymond, or Butler. There's no realistic way to do it otherwise.

it works in the realgm trade check, remember Moody contract has a trade kicker which may make the numbers work here

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/8881954

[DAWill1128]

If you could, who would you try to grab? These guys would be gettable without including the core 3.

Wiggins
McCollum
Monk
Brooks
Poole
Gafford
Washington
Sexton
MPJ
Simons

[xdrta+]

a deal would have to take place Jan 15th, would you do:

Kuminga
Moody
Podz
Buddy
and a 1st round pick

FOR

Anthony Davis

the development of Will Richard makes me okay parting with Moody and Melton should be back, maybe we pick up a back up PG or SG in buyout but this is what a deal looks like unless you want to trade Draymond instead... what do you think?

You have to add up salaries to find out if a trade works. This one needs about 7.2M more, which means 2 more players (if you include Horford) or 3 players (Melton, Payton, and Gui, for instance.) This leaves 8 or 9 players and no room under the hard cap to sign anyone.

If you want Davis, you have to trade Draymond, or Butler. There's no realistic way to do it otherwise.

it works in the realgm trade check, remember Moody contract has a trade kicker which may make the numbers work here

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/8881954

I don't know that site, but it doesn't seem to take into account that GS is a 1st Apron team and can't take back even $1 more salary than it sends out. It also says something about GS being under the cap. BTW, the trade kicker has nothing to do with it. Apron rules are what matter.

[Ilovethebay]

a deal would have to take place Jan 15th, would you do:

Kuminga
Moody
Podz
Buddy
and a 1st round pick

FOR

Anthony Davis

the development of Will Richard makes me okay parting with Moody and Melton should be back, maybe we pick up a back up PG or SG in buyout but this is what a deal looks like unless you want to trade Draymond instead... what do you think?

You have to add up salaries to find out if a trade works. This one needs about 7.2M more, which means 2 more players (if you include Horford) or 3 players (Melton, Payton, and Gui, for instance.) This leaves 8 or 9 players and no room under the hard cap to sign anyone.

If you want Davis, you have to trade Draymond, or Butler. There's no realistic way to do it otherwise.

it works in the realgm trade check, remember Moody contract has a trade kicker which may make the numbers work here

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/8881954

I personally would do it. But the trade machine might be malfunctioning .

[Ilovethebay]

If you could, who would you try to grab? These guys would be gettable without including the core 3.

Wiggins
McCollum
Monk
Brooks
Poole
Gafford
Washington
Sexton
MPJ
Simons

MPJ would be nice. That would be my vote. I’m kind of in the mind of your way of thinking. If we are really going to go for it and get a third scorer who isn’t horrible on defense, we got about 43 million (JK 23m, MM 11m, and Hield 9m) to spend.

[xdrta+]

Moody's on a great contract, one of the best moves Dunleavy made. He had to negotiate with Klutch to do it, also. I don't know why people are so willing to trade him.

[Ilovethebay]

Moody's on a great contract, one of the best moves Dunleavy made. He had to negotiate with Klutch to do it, also. I don't know why people are so willing to trade him.

Define “so willing”. What you say is 100% correct. That’s why he’s such a good trade chip. I just don’t think you have a choice if you really want to get a dependable 3rd scorer who could give Steph,Jimmy, and Dray more room to operate. No one will be happy to see him go.

[xdrta+]

Moody's on a great contract, one of the best moves Dunleavy made. He had to negotiate with Klutch to do it, also. I don't know why people are so willing to trade him.

Define “so willing”. What you say is 100% correct. That’s why he’s such a good trade chip. I just don’t think you have a choice if you really want to get a dependable 3rd scorer who could give Steph,Jimmy, and Dray more room to operate. No one will be happy to see him go.

If I saw a workable trade that made sense, I might agree. It's all well and good to say trade for a star, or a dependable scorer, but it's the details that matter in a trade.

[EvanZ]

Moody's on a great contract, one of the best moves Dunleavy made. He had to negotiate with Klutch to do it, also. I don't know why people are so willing to trade him.

Define “so willing”. What you say is 100% correct. That’s why he’s such a good trade chip. I just don’t think you have a choice if you really want to get a dependable 3rd scorer who could give Steph,Jimmy, and Dray more room to operate. No one will be happy to see him go.

If I saw a workable trade that made sense, I might agree. It's all well and good to say trade for a star, or a dependable scorer, but it's the details that matter in a trade.

Yeah, I'm sure Denver will trade AG for Kuminga, Moody and a pick. Sign me up for that trade!

[Crazy-Canuck]

If you could, who would you try to grab? These guys would be gettable without including the core 3.

Wiggins
McCollum
Monk
Brooks
Poole
Gafford
Washington
Sexton
MPJ
Simons

MPJ would be nice. That would be my vote. I’m kind of in the mind of your way of thinking. If we are really going to go for it and get a third scorer who isn’t horrible on defense, we got about 43 million (JK 23m, MM 11m, and Hield 9m) to spend.

Mpj most definitely is a horrible defender. Most of that list are players who are horrible defenders.

Imo, defense is a much bigger problem with this squad.

[Ilovethebay]

If you could, who would you try to grab? These guys would be gettable without including the core 3.

Wiggins
McCollum
Monk
Brooks
Poole
Gafford
Washington
Sexton
MPJ
Simons

MPJ would be nice. That would be my vote. I’m kind of in the mind of your way of thinking. If we are really going to go for it and get a third scorer who isn’t horrible on defense, we got about 43 million (JK 23m, MM 11m, and Hield 9m) to spend.

Mpj most definitely is a horrible defender. Most of that list are players who are horrible defenders.

Imo, defense is a much bigger problem with this squad.

Horrible is a little harsh in my opinion. But I think his almost Steph like efficiency outweighs his defensive shortcomings.

[NW]

If you could, who would you try to grab? These guys would be gettable without including the core 3.

Wiggins
McCollum
Monk
Brooks
Poole
Gafford
Washington
Sexton
MPJ
Simons

MPJ would be nice. That would be my vote. I’m kind of in the mind of your way of thinking. If we are really going to go for it and get a third scorer who isn’t horrible on defense, we got about 43 million (JK 23m, MM 11m, and Hield 9m) to spend.

Mpj most definitely is a horrible defender. Most of that list are players who are horrible defenders.

Imo, defense is a much bigger problem with this squad.

Warriors have pretty good defensive numbers when Draymond is on the floor. Their transition defense is ass. A way to help that would be having the opposing team take the ball out of the basket more so that the Warriors can better set their defense. That happens with better offense

[DAWill1128]

The numbers are a bit incomplete. Horford only playing every other game impacts defensive numbers. Not having Melton on defense impacts the defense. Kuminga missing some time can impact numbers. Seth can definitely contribute something on offense.

21st - PPG
21st - FG%
23rd - OFF RTG

9th - OPP PPG
17th - OPP FG%
6th - DEF RTG

[vvoland]

The numbers are a bit incomplete. Horford only playing every other game impacts defensive numbers. Not having Melton on defense impacts the defense. Kuminga missing some time can impact numbers. Seth can definitely contribute something on offense.

21st - PPG
21st - FG%
23rd - OFF RTG

9th - OPP PPG
17th - OPP FG%
6th - DEF RTG

Today's game being a good example of this. even without dray, Jimmy, and horford our defense was somewhere between fine and good. We just couldn't score, at all, for looong stretches of this game.

I thought we've had real trouble scoring without Steph on the court, all season; even in our wins. Jimmy has been terrific lately but has had some quieter games, as well. We've really missed JK and his offense the last two nights