Post Game: Bulls Survive Nikola

[WindyCityBorn]

I don't understand how or why the board delved into an Ayo vs Huerter debate.

I'm happy we found a player in the 2nd round playing as well as Ayo is

I'm also happy we seem to be somewhat reviving and getting the most of Huerter, a proven playoff game riser during his time with Atlanta.

Retaining good talent is a good thing. If both continue to play well we should look to keep both.

9-10 good players is our front office philosophy afterall.

We are not keeping all three of Ayo, Coby and Huerter. So who are you dumping?

[drosestruts]

I don't understand how or why the board delved into an Ayo vs Huerter debate.

I'm happy we found a player in the 2nd round playing as well as Ayo is

I'm also happy we seem to be somewhat reviving and getting the most of Huerter, a proven playoff game riser during his time with Atlanta.

Retaining good talent is a good thing. If both continue to play well we should look to keep both.

9-10 good players is our front office philosophy afterall.

Both will be free agents next year and i cant see both taking less money to stay here so can probably only sign one.

We're ~$14m below the tax

Other expirings contracts include Vuc ($21), Collins ($18), Carter ($6) and Terry ($5) - ~$50

The cap and tax number will likely rise.

Our under contracts players are all on flat contracts are honestly minimal increases.

I feel we definitely have the money to retain all three of White, Ayo, and Huerter.

I'm rather confident Coby and Ayo's AAV is going up, not sure the same is true of Huerter.


I know people dream of an upgrade at center. I don't see that happening via free agency.

[Clint Eastwood]

Does anybody have any updates on Smith and Terry's injuries? I didn't even notice Smith got hurt.

That was IMO a borderline dirty play. Jokic locked his arm and twisted to "draw" the foul and in the process wrenched the shoulder in a manner that for a lot of us would dislocate it. Should be finable in postgame review if the league is trying to get away from injury plays.

The question is who taught who that dirty move? Because Valonciounas did the same move earlier in the game.

[Indomitable]

Does anybody have any updates on Smith and Terry's injuries? I didn't even notice Smith got hurt.

That was IMO a borderline dirty play. Jokic locked his arm and twisted to "draw" the foul and in the process wrenched the shoulder in a manner that for a lot of us would dislocate it. Should be finable in postgame review if the league is trying to get away from injury plays.

The question is who taught who that dirty move? Because Valonciounas did the same move earlier in the game.

It the same thing Shai did to Nembhard in the opener. Exact same move. I called it then. That move is illegal in martial art competition. You are hyper extending their shoulder.

[GoBlue72391]

There is no reason to resign Ayo over Huerter. Ayo is less then 2 years younger so that's not really an advantage and will want to much money if this season continues and overall Huerter is the better player. Don't let the Chicago connection blind you.

The idea that two UFAs are going to go to the market and the better player is going to get less money doesn't make much sense. The Bulls will have to decide which (or both) of the guys they want to keep, but most likely, whomever the league views as better is going to cost much more.

I’m a little out of the loop - is it a forgone conclusion that we won’t be able to extend Ayo (~4 for 90M IIRC) and he is going to be a UDFA? Completely agree that in that case, the market will dictate who we can bring back on board.

Ayo's market is $22.5M per year? Seriously?

[GoBlue72391]

I don't understand how or why the board delved into an Ayo vs Huerter debate.

I'm happy we found a player in the 2nd round playing as well as Ayo is

I'm also happy we seem to be somewhat reviving and getting the most of Huerter, a proven playoff game riser during his time with Atlanta.

Retaining good talent is a good thing. If both continue to play well we should look to keep both.

9-10 good players is our front office philosophy afterall.

We are not keeping all three of Ayo, Coby and Huerter. So who are you dumping?

I'd probably favor seeing what we can get for Coby before deciding on the other two, but it's possible we could keep all of them.

I know, I know, you're gonna hit me with something like "No! We will NOT keep all of them! It will never happen! I know!"

[Ccwatercraft]

Does anybody have any updates on Smith and Terry's injuries? I didn't even notice Smith got hurt.

That was IMO a borderline dirty play. Jokic locked his arm and twisted to "draw" the foul and in the process wrenched the shoulder in a manner that for a lot of us would dislocate it. Should be finable in postgame review if the league is trying to get away from injury plays.

Val did Terry dirty as well, he was trying to hurt him.

[WindyCityBorn]

I don't understand how or why the board delved into an Ayo vs Huerter debate.

I'm happy we found a player in the 2nd round playing as well as Ayo is

I'm also happy we seem to be somewhat reviving and getting the most of Huerter, a proven playoff game riser during his time with Atlanta.

Retaining good talent is a good thing. If both continue to play well we should look to keep both.

9-10 good players is our front office philosophy afterall.

We are not keeping all three of Ayo, Coby and Huerter. So who are you dumping?

I'd probably favor seeing what we can get for Coby before deciding on the other two, but it's possible we could keep all of them.

I know, I know, you're gonna hit me with something like "No! We will NOT keep all of them! It will never happen! I know!"

The question is why would we keep all three when backcourt is crowded and the frontcourt is weak?

[coldfish]

There is no reason to resign Ayo over Huerter. Ayo is less then 2 years younger so that's not really an advantage and will want to much money if this season continues and overall Huerter is the better player. Don't let the Chicago connection blind you.

Ayo is better.

bolded & underlined.

Ayo has a better PER and net rating. Objectively he is better. Huerter is a career 12 PER player who happens to be having a career year right now during a contract year. We really shouldn't fall in love with him based on that. Normally he would be the type of guy you pick up for the MLE any time you want.

[dougthonus]

Ayo is better.

bolded & underlined.

Ayo has a better PER and net rating. Objectively he is better. Huerter is a career 12 PER player who happens to be having a career year right now during a contract year. We really shouldn't fall in love with him based on that. Normally he would be the type of guy you pick up for the MLE any time you want.

Ayo vs Huerter

Statistically, Ayo's having the better season despite Huerter's career year. That said, Ayo is also having a likely non sustainable career year as a UFA as well.

[WesPeace]

I don't understand how or why the board delved into an Ayo vs Huerter debate.

I'm happy we found a player in the 2nd round playing as well as Ayo is

I'm also happy we seem to be somewhat reviving and getting the most of Huerter, a proven playoff game riser during his time with Atlanta.

Retaining good talent is a good thing. If both continue to play well we should look to keep both.

9-10 good players is our front office philosophy afterall.

We are not keeping all three of Ayo, Coby and Huerter. So who are you dumping?

We're ~$14m below the tax

Expirings : Vuc 21M, Collins 18M, Carter 6M and Terry 5M..

We can clearly resign them all..

[dougthonus]

I don't understand how or why the board delved into an Ayo vs Huerter debate.

I'm happy we found a player in the 2nd round playing as well as Ayo is

I'm also happy we seem to be somewhat reviving and getting the most of Huerter, a proven playoff game riser during his time with Atlanta.

Retaining good talent is a good thing. If both continue to play well we should look to keep both.

9-10 good players is our front office philosophy afterall.

We are not keeping all three of Ayo, Coby and Huerter. So who are you dumping?

We're ~$14m below the tax

Expirings : Vuc 21M, Collins 18M, Carter 6M and Terry 5M..

We can clearly resign them all..

You could, but if the Bulls plan is to commit long term to this exact roster minus Vuc or Collins as useful players and Carter/Terry as useless ones at a higher price tag than it is today, that doesn't feel like a good plan.

[Ice Man]

Ayo has a better PER and net rating. Objectively he is better. Huerter is a career 12 PER player who happens to be having a career year right now during a contract year. We really shouldn't fall in love with him based on that. Normally he would be the type of guy you pick up for the MLE any time you want.

Huerter is bigger and thus the more versatile defender, and the better floor spacer. Ayo is superior at bullying small PGs (poor Trae) and, of course, for attacking the rim, where is he outright marvelous.

So, it depends.

[WindyCityBorn]

I don't understand how or why the board delved into an Ayo vs Huerter debate.

I'm happy we found a player in the 2nd round playing as well as Ayo is

I'm also happy we seem to be somewhat reviving and getting the most of Huerter, a proven playoff game riser during his time with Atlanta.

Retaining good talent is a good thing. If both continue to play well we should look to keep both.

9-10 good players is our front office philosophy afterall.

We are not keeping all three of Ayo, Coby and Huerter. So who are you dumping?

We're ~$14m below the tax

Expirings : Vuc 21M, Collins 18M, Carter 6M and Terry 5M..

We can clearly resign them all..

Why would we though??We need to upgrade our frontcourt.

[WindyCityBorn]

We are not keeping all three of Ayo, Coby and Huerter. So who are you dumping?

We're ~$14m below the tax

Expirings : Vuc 21M, Collins 18M, Carter 6M and Terry 5M..

We can clearly resign them all..

You could, but if the Bulls plan is to commit long term to this exact roster minus Vuc or Collins as useful players and Carter/Terry as useless ones at a higher price tag than it is today, that doesn't feel like a good plan.

Exactly. Just because we can doesn’t mean we should.

[WindyCityBorn]

Ayo has a better PER and net rating. Objectively he is better. Huerter is a career 12 PER player who happens to be having a career year right now during a contract year. We really shouldn't fall in love with him based on that. Normally he would be the type of guy you pick up for the MLE any time you want.

Huerter is bigger and thus the more versatile defender, and the better floor spacer. Ayo is superior at bullying small PGs (poor Trae) and, of course, for attacking the rim, where is he outright marvelous.

So, it depends.

Ayo seems more impactful to me.

[dougthonus]

Ayo has a better PER and net rating. Objectively he is better. Huerter is a career 12 PER player who happens to be having a career year right now during a contract year. We really shouldn't fall in love with him based on that. Normally he would be the type of guy you pick up for the MLE any time you want.

Huerter is bigger and thus the more versatile defender, and the better floor spacer. Ayo is superior at bullying small PGs (poor Trae) and, of course, for attacking the rim, where is he outright marvelous.

So, it depends.

Not sure what you mean by bigger, but I'd say from a practical standpoint, Ayo plays much bigger than Huerter as he has both a taller standing reach and larger wingspan and looks to be functionally more athletic, and their present weights have Ayo being the bulkier of the two guys (but who knows how accurate the listed weights are). Huerter does have a couple inches on head height, but given he loses both standing reach and wingspan that doesn't seem all that relevant to me.

[WesPeace]

We are not keeping all three of Ayo, Coby and Huerter. So who are you dumping?

We're ~$14m below the tax

Expirings : Vuc 21M, Collins 18M, Carter 6M and Terry 5M..

We can clearly resign them all..

You could, but if the Bulls plan is to commit long term to this exact roster minus Vuc or Collins as useful players and Carter/Terry as useless ones at a higher price tag than it is today, that doesn't feel like a good plan.

Few roster tweaks or one solid trade can still make a difference, like trading PWill for young defensive center. From my standpoint I would try to keep them all three, of course it depends on price, but I dont think they will expect unrealistic deals.

[dougthonus]

Few roster tweaks or one solid trade can still make a difference, like trading PWill for young defensive center. From my standpoint I would try to keep them all three, of course it depends on price, but I dont think they will expect unrealistic deals.

UFAs will go to whomever pays them the most. They won't be looking for realistic/unrealistic, they will be openly negotiating with 30 teams and take the highest offer. It's unlikely that they all end up on offers you want and that we think the most of each one of these players are willing to pay them the most and that if that happens they're also all reasonable deals.

[WindyCityBorn]

We're ~$14m below the tax

Expirings : Vuc 21M, Collins 18M, Carter 6M and Terry 5M..

We can clearly resign them all..

You could, but if the Bulls plan is to commit long term to this exact roster minus Vuc or Collins as useful players and Carter/Terry as useless ones at a higher price tag than it is today, that doesn't feel like a good plan.

Few roster tweaks or one solid trade can still make a difference, like trading PWill for young defensive center. From my standpoint I would try to keep them all three, of course it depends on price, but I dont think they will expect unrealistic deals.

They will take the highest offer.