Tyus Jones: The newest elephant

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I don't agree that it is the majority, but I do agree it would make an impact. It is hard to overstate how bad he has been to this point.

I think the bench as a whole is a problem and is still going to be pretty mediocre if he is removed for a bad instead of all-world bad player. That being said I do agree that the degree of bad that he has been is so high that replacing him would make at least somewhat meaningful gains.

I'm also not convinced starting lineup is going to stay at or near the top of net rating either though. Good thing is the East maybe could be won by who figures it out come playoff time so I'm really not too too worried about seeding. Though I suppose a team like the Pistons could make a big midseason move and change that. Then you gotta play the Thunder in the finals though so what are we even doing here It's all meaningless just play Jase over Tyus for the fun factor

Assumption 1: This team is a contender
Assumption 2: Tyus is struggling mostly because of talent and skill drop off

We have not looked like a contender and Tyus is meaningfully hurting the minutes he's in. He's the root cause and it's because he sucks.

You can wring your hands about the core fit, I reject that because:

1. They won 47 games 22 and younger while leading the team in minutes and usage (notice the irony here, pepe?).
2. They've over-performed expectations in the playoffs
3. They are killing their minutes together this year and have done so historically (we've always had a strong starting lineup with Paolo/Franz/Suggs)
4. Bane is really good

Occam's razor, it's Tyus

I appreciate the optimism, but I can see why VFX and pepe want to go against the grain on the Tyus hate with posts like this

I am on board in agreeing Tyus has been a massive problem though. And I have enjoyed watching games more lately and have gotten some of my joy back in watching this team. I think we can be good, but I still need to see a lot more.

I've debated whether even jumping back into this thread is worth it, but I'm bored so here we are.

First, lets set some things straight. Tyus Jones hasn't been good and he's ALWAYS been a sieve defensively. It's funny to me to see Reddit, Discord, and RealGM jump on the "Tyus Jones is the problem with Orlando's losses" train.

These posters don't understand that it's not all on Tyus Jones. It's the overarching roster construction and system that prevents him from being utilized properly. The guy doesn't completely fall off a cliff offensively as a playmaker because of the humidity in Orlando. The guy went from 5.5 assists with 1.1 TO in a system with Booker, KD, Beal, and G. Allen in 26mpg to playing 12mpg with Isaac, AB, Goga, and Da Silva.

Even if you gave him legitimate starting minutes here, the system is the opposite of what he is used to. Paolo and Franz have the ball the entire time. Nothing is hardly run with either of those guys off-ball. Magic dont run plays. So what was even the point in acquiring him? So you can say you have a real point guard on the roster and never use him that way? That's really his only purpose for being in the league. Protecting the ball and setting others up on offense.

So yeah his advanced metrics are absolutely abysmal. He's unable to do the only thing he's really good at and the guys he's sharing the floor with have minimal bag on offense if they are even capable of doing anything off-ball.

[eyriq]

I don't agree that it is the majority, but I do agree it would make an impact. It is hard to overstate how bad he has been to this point.

I think the bench as a whole is a problem and is still going to be pretty mediocre if he is removed for a bad instead of all-world bad player. That being said I do agree that the degree of bad that he has been is so high that replacing him would make at least somewhat meaningful gains.

I'm also not convinced starting lineup is going to stay at or near the top of net rating either though. Good thing is the East maybe could be won by who figures it out come playoff time so I'm really not too too worried about seeding. Though I suppose a team like the Pistons could make a big midseason move and change that. Then you gotta play the Thunder in the finals though so what are we even doing here It's all meaningless just play Jase over Tyus for the fun factor

Assumption 1: This team is a contender
Assumption 2: Tyus is struggling mostly because of talent and skill drop off

We have not looked like a contender and Tyus is meaningfully hurting the minutes he's in. He's the root cause and it's because he sucks.

You can wring your hands about the core fit, I reject that because:

1. They won 47 games 22 and younger while leading the team in minutes and usage (notice the irony here, pepe?).
2. They've over-performed expectations in the playoffs
3. They are killing their minutes together this year and have done so historically (we've always had a strong starting lineup with Paolo/Franz/Suggs)
4. Bane is really good

Occam's razor, it's Tyus

I appreciate the optimism, but I can see why VFX and pepe want to go against the grain on the Tyus hate with posts like this

I am on board in agreeing Tyus has been a massive problem though. And I have enjoyed watching games more lately and have gotten some of my joy back in watching this team. I think we can be good, but I still need to see a lot more.

Nothing that I said is outside what Vegas and other models said about the team heading into the season. You can clutch pearls and hedge bets, undersell the build and quality of the young core, just know that you're not taking the "realistic view" but buying into the downside scenario. Invest as much as you want but you'll end up being wrong.

[eyriq]

This is funny

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[eyriq]

Tyus is so bad Paolo has a better on off than Franz simply because Franz plays more with Tyus. You can't make this **** up.

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[Idiosyncratic]

Nothing that I said is outside what Vegas and other models said about the team heading into the season. You can clutch pearls and hedge bets, undersell the build and quality of the young core, just know that you're not taking the "realistic view" but buying into the downside scenario. Invest as much as you want but you'll end up being wrong.

For the record I still think this team could get it together and win 50 games (which is about what I would have predicted coming in). I'm seeing signs of life and the past few games have been fun, especially compared to the beginning of the season.

Am I skeptical when I look at us compared to OKC and Denver or title teams of the past like the Celtics? Yes, very much so. I need to see a lot of improvements before I get to that level of excitement. And statistics/history say one of our guys very likely needs to take an MVP leap before we are title contenders which I do not see happening this year. I'm skeptical about contending, which based off of historical barometers, I feel is relatively logical.

[Bensational]

I've debated whether even jumping back into this thread is worth it, but I'm bored so here we are.

First, lets set some things straight. Tyus Jones hasn't been good and he's ALWAYS been a sieve defensively. It's funny to me to see Reddit, Discord, and RealGM jump on the "Tyus Jones is the problem with Orlando's losses" train.

These posters don't understand that it's not all on Tyus Jones. It's the overarching roster construction and system that prevents him from being utilized properly. The guy doesn't completely fall off a cliff offensively as a playmaker because of the humidity in Orlando. The guy went from 5.5 assists with 1.1 TO in a system with Booker, KD, Beal, and G. Allen in 26mpg to playing 12mpg with Isaac, AB, Goga, and Da Silva.

The majority of his lineups and minutes played with the Suns were a negative per Netrtg.

In 2-man lineups he was a negative Netrtg with all of Durant, Booker, Beal and Grayson Allen. I mean, when he was surrounded by Allstar and HOF shooters he still couldn’t produce a winning product.

Even if you gave him legitimate starting minutes here, the system is the opposite of what he is used to. Paolo and Franz have the ball the entire time. Nothing is hardly run with either of those guys off-ball. Magic dont run plays. So what was even the point in acquiring him? So you can say you have a real point guard on the roster and never use him that way? That's really his only purpose for being in the league. Protecting the ball and setting others up on offense.

So yeah his advanced metrics are absolutely abysmal. He's unable to do the only thing he's really good at and the guys he's sharing the floor with have minimal bag on offense if they are even capable of doing anything off-ball.

He’s almost at identical stats to what Cory Joseph had last season, but CoJo was more efficient and a net positive. Played with arguably less talent than Tyus has around him this season.

At what point do we just admit that Tyus Jones isn’t any good? He wasn’t good in Phoenix, he wasn’t good in Washington. I’ll repeat this point again - he’s been a net negative player for 7 out of his 11 seasons.

I think it gets hard to complain about the offense when the following lineups are working well:

WCJ/PB/Franz/Bane/Suggs are +19.7
WCJ/Franz/TDS/Bane/Suggs are +16.3
WCJ/Franz/TDS/Bane/AB are +20.3
WCJ/Paolo/TDS/Bane/AB are +19.2
Goga/PB/Franz/Bane/AB are +11.2
Goga/PB/TDS/Bane/AB are +1.3

The majority of our players (who matter) are figuring it out and not only working, but working well. There’s no point going away from that just to try to get Tyus a few extra assists at the expense of W’s.

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I've debated whether even jumping back into this thread is worth it, but I'm bored so here we are.

First, lets set some things straight. Tyus Jones hasn't been good and he's ALWAYS been a sieve defensively. It's funny to me to see Reddit, Discord, and RealGM jump on the "Tyus Jones is the problem with Orlando's losses" train.

These posters don't understand that it's not all on Tyus Jones. It's the overarching roster construction and system that prevents him from being utilized properly. The guy doesn't completely fall off a cliff offensively as a playmaker because of the humidity in Orlando. The guy went from 5.5 assists with 1.1 TO in a system with Booker, KD, Beal, and G. Allen in 26mpg to playing 12mpg with Isaac, AB, Goga, and Da Silva.

The majority of his lineups and minutes played with the Suns were a negative per Netrtg.

In 2-man lineups he was a negative Netrtg with all of Durant, Booker, Beal and Grayson Allen. I mean, when he was surrounded by Allstar and HOF shooters he still couldn’t produce a winning product.

Even if you gave him legitimate starting minutes here, the system is the opposite of what he is used to. Paolo and Franz have the ball the entire time. Nothing is hardly run with either of those guys off-ball. Magic dont run plays. So what was even the point in acquiring him? So you can say you have a real point guard on the roster and never use him that way? That's really his only purpose for being in the league. Protecting the ball and setting others up on offense.

So yeah his advanced metrics are absolutely abysmal. He's unable to do the only thing he's really good at and the guys he's sharing the floor with have minimal bag on offense if they are even capable of doing anything off-ball.

He’s almost at identical stats to what Cory Joseph had last season, but CoJo was more efficient and a net positive. Played with arguably less talent than Tyus has around him this season.

At what point do we just admit that Tyus Jones isn’t any good? He wasn’t good in Phoenix, he wasn’t good in Washington. I’ll repeat this point again - he’s been a net negative player for 7 out of his 11 seasons.

I think it gets hard to complain about the offense when the following lineups are working well:

WCJ/PB/Franz/Bane/Suggs are +19.7
WCJ/Franz/TDS/Bane/Suggs are +16.3
WCJ/Franz/TDS/Bane/AB are +20.3
WCJ/Paolo/TDS/Bane/AB are +19.2
Goga/PB/Franz/Bane/AB are +11.2
Goga/PB/TDS/Bane/AB are +1.3

The majority of our players (who matter) are figuring it out and not only working, but working well. There’s no point going away from that just to try to get Tyus a few extra assists at the expense of W’s.

This is being extremely disingenuous. Again, nobody here us arguing that Tyus Jones has been good this season. People are just explaining why.



I mean... yeah if you want to do an extremely deep dive into advanced metrics in every available pairing then you will find the confirmation bias you are seeking.

A 6MOTY candidate 4-5 seasons ago and the weakest starting link on a loaded Suns team last season isn't Corey Joseph as of last season.

It's like there is a trend of players from other teams coming here and sucking immensely relative to every other season in recent history. Then people are like WOAH THIS GUY SUCKS!!! Yeah no ****. There is a correlation. It's just funny people are surprised after Gary Harris, KCP, Tyus, and Bane look significantly worse than previous seasons and they still haven't figured out the through line.

And to your other point.. yeah not sure why any of this matters at all considering the lineups you posted. This guy is going to be here for 1 season playing 6-10mpg at the very most while he struggles to contribute at all in this system. Not sure why there is a 12 page thread on it and 6-8 posts per game thread crying about something so insignificant and inconsequential.

Hopefully Mosely just starts playing Jase and it would be funny if they moved Tyus Jones to another team just so he would prove his suckage was actually due to what I'm talking about and not this conspiracy that he's been an unplayably bad player in the league fooling GM's into giving him deals for the last decade.

[Bensational]

This is being extremely disingenuous. Again, nobody here is arguing that Tyus Jones has been good this season. People are just explaining why.



I mean... yeah if you want to do an extremely deep dive into advanced metrics in every available pairing then you will find the confirmation bias you are seeking.

A 6MOTY candidate 4-5 seasons ago and the weakest starting link on a loaded Suns team last season isn't Corey Joseph as of last season.

I posted stats - the fact they don’t support your basic premise that “5.5apg is a good PG” doesn’t make them confirmation bias, it exposes yours. If Tyus was still decent then why can’t he match the very basic and limited performance CoJo gave us?

It's like there is a trend of players from other teams coming here and sucking immensely relative to every other season in recent history. Then people are like WOAH THIS GUY SUCKS!!! Yeah no ****. There is a correlation. It's just funny people are surprised after Gary Harris, KCP, Tyus, and Bane look significantly worse than previous seasons and they still haven't figured out the through line.

I considered this earlier in the season when the team was struggling and SOUL pushed back pointing out that players aren’t going on to excel after leaving us. I had to concede the point because Harris, KCP and Cole haven’t suddenly become world beaters in new offensive systems.

And to your other point.. yeah not sure why any of this matters at all considering the lineups you posted. This guy is going to be here for 1 season playing 6-10mpg at the very most while he struggles to contribute at all in this system. Not sure why there is a 12 page thread on it and 6-8 posts per game thread crying about something so insignificant and inconsequential.

Because in the 12mpg he plays the team is -4.9 in +/-. A near 5 point swing isn’t inconsequential, and could’ve covered the differential on 3 games this season and given us 3 more Ws instead of L’s.

Of course you don’t want to acknowledge where the team is actually working - because you’ve complained about half the guys involved in that success.

Hopefully Mosely just starts playing Jase and it would be funny if they moved Tyus Jones to another team just so he would prove his suckage was actually due to what I'm talking about and not this conspiracy that he's been an unplayably bad player in the league fooling GM's into giving him deals for the last decade.

You were that impressed with what he did in Washington and Phoenix? You realise neither team asked him back, and he’s on track make Orlando the 3rd place that happens.

[basketballRob]

Tyus is so bad Paolo has a better on off than Franz simply because Franz plays more with Tyus. You can't make this **** up.

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This is being extremely disingenuous. Again, nobody here is arguing that Tyus Jones has been good this season. People are just explaining why.



I mean... yeah if you want to do an extremely deep dive into advanced metrics in every available pairing then you will find the confirmation bias you are seeking.

A 6MOTY candidate 4-5 seasons ago and the weakest starting link on a loaded Suns team last season isn't Corey Joseph as of last season.

I posted stats - the fact they don’t support your basic premise that “5.5apg is a good PG” doesn’t make them confirmation bias, it exposes yours. If Tyus was still decent then why can’t he match the very basic and limited performance CoJo gave us?

It's like there is a trend of players from other teams coming here and sucking immensely relative to every other season in recent history. Then people are like WOAH THIS GUY SUCKS!!! Yeah no ****. There is a correlation. It's just funny people are surprised after Gary Harris, KCP, Tyus, and Bane look significantly worse than previous seasons and they still haven't figured out the through line.

I considered this earlier in the season when the team was struggling and SOUL pushed back pointing out that players aren’t going on to excel after leaving us. I had to concede the point because Harris, KCP and Cole haven’t suddenly become world beaters in new offensive systems.

And to your other point.. yeah not sure why any of this matters at all considering the lineups you posted. This guy is going to be here for 1 season playing 6-10mpg at the very most while he struggles to contribute at all in this system. Not sure why there is a 12 page thread on it and 6-8 posts per game thread crying about something so insignificant and inconsequential.

Because in the 12mpg he plays the team is -4.9 in +/-. A near 5 point swing isn’t inconsequential, and could’ve covered the differential on 3 games this season and given us 3 more Ws instead of L’s.

Of course you don’t want to acknowledge where the team is actually working - because you’ve complained about half the guys involved in that success.

Hopefully Mosely just starts playing Jase and it would be funny if they moved Tyus Jones to another team just so he would prove his suckage was actually due to what I'm talking about and not this conspiracy that he's been an unplayably bad player in the league fooling GM's into giving him deals for the last decade.

You were that impressed with what he did in Washington and Phoenix? You realise neither team asked him back, and he’s on track make Orlando the 3rd place that happens.

You are the king of taking every obscure point and making it personal for no reason.

Yeah, I also posted stats. His numbers on every other team leading up to this year within significantly larger amount of minutes. And guess what? Nobody on this current roster is averaging 5.3 assists on 1.2 turnovers that Tyus Jones did last season in his “bad” year with Phoenix. It’s not even close. Suggs and Bane have high TO and lower assists.

So what are you gonna say? That his numbers are just terrible for zero real reason? YOU don’t want to acknowledge the reason as to WHY that is the case. Nobody here is arguing that he has been good in this system. You are arguing with nobody on that point.

Your last point is hilarious. Neither team asked him back?! Woah!!! Yeah it’s not because Phoenix retooled their back court and Washington drafted 10 point guards and traded everyone else. Just say you don’t understand how roster turnover works when multiple trades are made.

[Bensational]

This is being extremely disingenuous. Again, nobody here is arguing that Tyus Jones has been good this season. People are just explaining why.



I mean... yeah if you want to do an extremely deep dive into advanced metrics in every available pairing then you will find the confirmation bias you are seeking.

A 6MOTY candidate 4-5 seasons ago and the weakest starting link on a loaded Suns team last season isn't Corey Joseph as of last season.

I posted stats - the fact they don’t support your basic premise that “5.5apg is a good PG” doesn’t make them confirmation bias, it exposes yours. If Tyus was still decent then why can’t he match the very basic and limited performance CoJo gave us?

It's like there is a trend of players from other teams coming here and sucking immensely relative to every other season in recent history. Then people are like WOAH THIS GUY SUCKS!!! Yeah no ****. There is a correlation. It's just funny people are surprised after Gary Harris, KCP, Tyus, and Bane look significantly worse than previous seasons and they still haven't figured out the through line.

I considered this earlier in the season when the team was struggling and SOUL pushed back pointing out that players aren’t going on to excel after leaving us. I had to concede the point because Harris, KCP and Cole haven’t suddenly become world beaters in new offensive systems.

And to your other point.. yeah not sure why any of this matters at all considering the lineups you posted. This guy is going to be here for 1 season playing 6-10mpg at the very most while he struggles to contribute at all in this system. Not sure why there is a 12 page thread on it and 6-8 posts per game thread crying about something so insignificant and inconsequential.

Because in the 12mpg he plays the team is -4.9 in +/-. A near 5 point swing isn’t inconsequential, and could’ve covered the differential on 3 games this season and given us 3 more Ws instead of L’s.

Of course you don’t want to acknowledge where the team is actually working - because you’ve complained about half the guys involved in that success.

Hopefully Mosely just starts playing Jase and it would be funny if they moved Tyus Jones to another team just so he would prove his suckage was actually due to what I'm talking about and not this conspiracy that he's been an unplayably bad player in the league fooling GM's into giving him deals for the last decade.

You were that impressed with what he did in Washington and Phoenix? You realise neither team asked him back, and he’s on track make Orlando the 3rd place that happens.

You are the king of taking every obscure point and making it personal for no reason.

Yeah, I also posted stats. His numbers on every other team leading up to this year within significantly larger amount of minutes. And guess what? Nobody on this current roster is averaging 5.3 assists on 1.2 turnovers that Tyus Jones did last season in his “bad” year with Phoenix. It’s not even close. Suggs and Bane have high TO and lower assists.

So what are you gonna say? That his numbers are just terrible for zero real reason? YOU don’t want to acknowledge the reason as to WHY that is the case. Nobody here is arguing that he has been good in this system. You are arguing with nobody on that point.

Your last point is hilarious. Neither team asked him back?! Woah!!! Yeah it’s not because Phoenix retooled their back court and Washington drafted 10 point guards and traded everyone else. Just say you don’t understand how roster turnover works when multiple trades are made.

And I’m showing that the one stat you think is symbolic of him being “good” has generally been a part of net negative lineups. Why do we need someone averaging over 5apg? Phoenix learned the lesson and moved on but you’re trying to paint it as some kind of success? If he was any good they would’ve hung on to him.

One of your major points about this team for years is that it needed “a real PG”. Well, we went and got one of the guys you specifically highlighted and how has it played out? Apparently adding a real PG wasn’t the problem since the starters added a SG (another of your complaints) and they have a +20 netrtg. They’re making it work. The “real PG” isn’t. That’s the reason it’s personal for you, because Tyus is the guy you held up as the answer - and we’re seeing he’s more problem than answer.

[JoshuaPotter]

I'll take credit for his pedestrian game. I think Suggs must have shown Tyus that I compared him to a lawn chair, and was threatening to train a dog to come off the bench and run point guard over him.

[pepe1991]

Anybody who has understandings of stats will figure out on it's own that this is Magic related problem, not Tyus problem



Having guard only known for ability to keep dribble alive and set tables, than stripping ball away from him is simply moronic. Not player's fault, but coaching & whoever decided this is best way to use him.


On-off thing is even more telling. He indeed had years where he was - positive. On bad teams ( Suns, Wizards) he was indeed- negative. But he was never one man-kill-job like it appears with Orlando.



His career net rating is actually better than Paolo's for example.

Whole story short: 6'0 guards should be on ball. Eureka.

I highly doubt anybody here shares different sentiment about some stuff:
1) he played awful
2) he played role he never played in his entire life
3) he isn't shooting guard ( so why play him as one ? )

[GelbeWand09]

Anybody who has understandings of stats will figure out on it's own that this is Magic related problem, not Tyus problem



Having guard only known for ability to keep dribble alive and set tables, than stripping ball away from him is simply moronic. Not player's fault, but coaching & whoever decided this is best way to use him.

Yea I wrote earlier we get Tyus just to play him like Gary Harris ball watching in the corner.

[AdamTheGreek]

Season-high 8 points. Hit his running floater and had his first multi-3 make game. He was down to 10.5% from 3 before this win.


Let’s see if they start going down more.

[Skybox]

On paper, he was a good add...let's hope he can build on this. We don't need much from him but he was brought in to organize our bench offense when things get sloppy.

He's not individually a big issue, but something's got to get the clueless bench players contributing more and he's the obvious distributor/floor general.

[eyriq]

Anybody who has understandings of stats will figure out on it's own that this is Magic related problem, not Tyus problem



Having guard only known for ability to keep dribble alive and set tables, than stripping ball away from him is simply moronic. Not player's fault, but coaching & whoever decided this is best way to use him.


On-off thing is even more telling. He indeed had years where he was - positive. On bad teams ( Suns, Wizards) he was indeed- negative. But he was never one man-kill-job like it appears with Orlando.



His career net rating is actually better than Paolo's for example.

Whole story short: 6'0 guards should be on ball. Eureka.

I highly doubt anybody here shares different sentiment about some stuff:
1) he played awful
2) he played role he never played in his entire life
3) he isn't shooting guard ( so why play him as one ? )

I get what you’re saying about the role/usage, but right now he just looks washed to me.

If it really is just a fit issue and not decline, then great for him. Prunty’s more deliberate, structured offense should be a good match for his skill set once we fully lean into it. I can easily imagine him looking a lot better in that context.

Until then, though, based on what we’ve seen so far, it’s hard for me to chalk it up to anything other than him being cooked.

[RichCollab]

Tyus doesn’t fit team identity. That being said low turnover, play maker, who has been a good shooter who is also a vet is a package that should complement the weaknesses of this team.

He needs to hit a couple shots and he can stay on the floor.

Seems like he fits with

Tyus
AB
TDS
JI
Moe

[Skybox]

Tyus doesn’t fit team identity. That being said low turnover, play maker, who has been a good shooter who is also a vet is a package that should complement the weaknesses of this team.

He needs to hit a couple shots and he can stay on the floor.

Seems like he fits with

Tyus
AB
TDS
JI
Moe

Agree....low turnover, high assist/TO ratio, 40% from 3 - doesn't fit our profile

Sorry, couldn't resist..he HAS sucked, but I like his hypothetical skillset, and they signed him for SOME reason - lots of growing pains revamping a more motion-oriented offense. I'm still hopeful that he has a role that matters.

[VFX]

Anybody who has understandings of stats will figure out on it's own that this is Magic related problem, not Tyus problem



Having guard only known for ability to keep dribble alive and set tables, than stripping ball away from him is simply moronic. Not player's fault, but coaching & whoever decided this is best way to use him.


On-off thing is even more telling. He indeed had years where he was - positive. On bad teams ( Suns, Wizards) he was indeed- negative. But he was never one man-kill-job like it appears with Orlando.



His career net rating is actually better than Paolo's for example.

Whole story short: 6'0 guards should be on ball. Eureka.

I highly doubt anybody here shares different sentiment about some stuff:
1) he played awful
2) he played role he never played in his entire life
3) he isn't shooting guard ( so why play him as one ? )

I get what you’re saying about the role/usage, but right now he just looks washed to me.

If it really is just a fit issue and not decline, then great for him. Prunty’s more deliberate, structured offense should be a good match for his skill set once we fully lean into it. I can easily imagine him looking a lot better in that context.

Until then, though, based on what we’ve seen so far, it’s hard for me to chalk it up to anything other than him being cooked.

I think a few things can assumed without needing to do a crazy advanced metrics deep dive about the Tyus Jones situation.

First and foremost: that if one of Paolo or Franz are on the floor with him, then you can consider his role inconsequential. If neither of those guys are running actions off of the pass, and they have the ball in their hands a majority of the time, then Tyus Jones isn’t really accomplishing anything.

Secondly, if you roll out lineups with him and there is no spacing whatsoever, then it becomes increasingly more difficult to use him as a playmaker. He got a few good looks last night on the perimeter drawing attention from the basket.

I think the biggest development I’m looking forward to this season is really going to be when Moe comes back. Tyus can get an entry pass inside to a good finisher around the basket. For whatever reason, we haven’t really seen this with Wendell. Maybe he just doesn’t have the footwork or post moves for that to be a good option.

In short, I’ll reserve total judgement of Tyus until we see how well he works with Moe in a more balanced lineup.