Collin Murray-Boyles Thread

[HMFFL]

I wanted Toronto to draft Derik Queen or Noa Essengue.

I had hopes that Cedric Coward or Noa Essengue would fall to Atlanta, but if any team drafted one of them, I hoped it would be Toronto.

CMB will get things going!.

[JCP11]

I wanted Toronto to draft Derik Queen or Noa Essengue.

I had hopes that Cedric Coward or Noa Essengue would fall to Atlanta, but if any team drafted one of them, I hoped it would be Toronto.

CMB will get things going!.

CMB is already getting things going. Defensively he's everything we hoped he'd be and on offense:
8.5 pts 76% FT 50% 3FG 60%TS
These numbers in 20 mins/G are already further along what many here thought and he's just getting started.

[Thaddy]

I wanted Toronto to draft Derik Queen or Noa Essengue.

I had hopes that Cedric Coward or Noa Essengue would fall to Atlanta, but if any team drafted one of them, I hoped it would be Toronto.

CMB will get things going!.

CMB is already getting things going. Defensively he's everything we hoped he'd be and on offense:
8.5 pts 76% FT 50% 3FG 60%TS
These numbers in 20 mins/G are already further along what many here thought and he's just getting started.

His understanding of leverage on offense and defense, making the right pass, and several underrated skills make him really good

[Clutch0z24]

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I was one of the very few on the board advocating for Queen....Looks like the game comes easy to him as a rookie its pretty impressive....I would have took Queen over CMB personally because of the Size and skills alone.....Hope CMB can hopefully have a productive and injury free season when he comes back because we need this pick to work out.

Atm if i am the Front office i regret not taking Queen or Coward.

[HumbleRen]

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I was one of the very few on the board advocating for Queen....Looks like the game comes easy to him as a rookie is pretty impressive....I would have took Queen over CMB personally because of the Size and skills alone.....Hope CMB can hopefully have a productive and injury free season when he comes back because we need this pick to work out.

Atm if i am the Front office i regret not taking Queen or Coward.

Queen is a stud but I think we have to keep in mind that CMB is on a winning team where the best players on the team play his own position.

It’s going to be hard for him to showcase his full talents like Queen can on a team with 0 expectations and the freedom to play starter level minutes.

I think Queen will probably be the better player long term wise due to his height and skill but don’t count out CMB yet.

[Clutch0z24]

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I was one of the very few on the board advocating for Queen....Looks like the game comes easy to him as a rookie is pretty impressive....I would have took Queen over CMB personally because of the Size and skills alone.....Hope CMB can hopefully have a productive and injury free season when he comes back because we need this pick to work out.

Atm if i am the Front office i regret not taking Queen or Coward.

Queen is a stud but I think we have to keep in mind that CMB is on a winning team where the best players on the team play his own position.

It’s going to be hard for him to showcase his full talents like Queen can on a team with 0 expectations and the freedom to play starter level minutes.

I think Queen will probably be the better player long term wise due to his height and skill but don’t count out CMB yet.

Yeah but i will be honest i don't think CMB is putting up 30-9-4-2-2 on a bad team he just doesn't have the offensive firepower like that....

Not counting CMB out but i just think Queen is the better talent overall since hes much more dynamic of a player, Has the size advantage.

I just remember when i was hyping Queen up wanting to draft him pointing out many aspects Queen will shine in the NBA i had people trying to tell me Queen won't be able to dunk the ball in the NBA because of his "Conditioning" and his shot was broken because of his release and could not even get his shot off over taller players

But i think i was right with the other very few who were on the Queen bandwagon with me pre draft analyst. But when a legend like Duncan praises your game i will listen to him over some Realgmers who said "Queen will suck"

For me its crazy how much of a vet he looks at his age....Game slowed down for him and hes not in a rush ever and makes the smart plays....Thats rare in a rook.

[manjusaka]

They need to dump Zion. Queen and CMB, it is apples and oranges, offence vs defence.

[Appostis]

Low key a tad concerned about the CMB injuries.

[Clutch0z24]

They need to dump Zion. Queen and CMB, it is apples and oranges, offence vs defence.

Love what CMB showed on Per D so far in the games hes played in....The issue is really his size and who we are asking him to defend....Hes just 6 foot 7...Hes strong yes but we can not ask him to be banging down low with 7 footers and players he really sould not be matched up against.....Could be the reason hes getting hurt so often because we are asking him to defend Cs and players that are just too big....

[ATLTimekeeper]

They need to dump Zion. Queen and CMB, it is apples and oranges, offence vs defence.

Love what CMB showed on Per D so far in the games hes played in....The issue is really his size and who we are asking him to defend....Hes just 6 foot 7...Hes strong yes but we can not ask him to be banging down low with 7 footers and players he really sould not be matched up against.....Could be the reason hes getting hurt so often because we are asking him to defend Cs and players that are just too big....

He guards the ball, mostly. At 240, he has plenty of size to guard Cs on occasion. He's not getting hurt by them shooting over him. C'mon.

You're complaining about CMB getting hurt by praising Queen, who got hurt in summer league and needed surgery. Guys get hurt. Physical players might get hurt a little more.

[DatHomieYouHaTe]

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I was one of the very few on the board advocating for Queen....Looks like the game comes easy to him as a rookie its pretty impressive....I would have took Queen over CMB personally because of the Size and skills alone.....Hope CMB can hopefully have a productive and injury free season when he comes back because we need this pick to work out.

Atm if i am the Front office i regret not taking Queen or Coward.

I was with you on Queen.. A clear top talent in this draft and it wasn't close. Can't believe There's people in the NBA that are just as bad as the real GM scouts we have on our board. Same people that laughed when i said we should consider Sengun in 2021. Basketball skill>athletics and defense.

[Los_29]

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I was one of the very few on the board advocating for Queen....Looks like the game comes easy to him as a rookie its pretty impressive....I would have took Queen over CMB personally because of the Size and skills alone.....Hope CMB can hopefully have a productive and injury free season when he comes back because we need this pick to work out.

Atm if i am the Front office i regret not taking Queen or Coward.

Queen has been very inefficient and has provided very little defense for them.

Honestly, how many centers put up a 53% TS%, provide no spacing and then are a non-factor defensively?

I do like Queen though and hopefully he can develop a three point shot. That will really unlock his game.

[Duffman100]

The question with Queen (as will be the same with George) is,

Are they going to be efficient and consistent enough to justify have the ball in their hands for a winning team.

If not,

Can they successfully play off ball and have a positive impact.

We basically have two off ball players in CMB and Dick and George and Queen are very ball possession players.

[WuTang_CMB]

Queen is fun. It's not a shock we were interested since Masai scouted him on 4 separate occasions.

But im still happy with CMB. Once his offense gets going, he'll be a stud

[anotherhomer]

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I was one of the very few on the board advocating for Queen....Looks like the game comes easy to him as a rookie its pretty impressive....I would have took Queen over CMB personally because of the Size and skills alone.....Hope CMB can hopefully have a productive and injury free season when he comes back because we need this pick to work out.

Atm if i am the Front office i regret not taking Queen or Coward.

Queen has been very inefficient and has provided very little defense for them.

Honestly, how many centers put up a 53% TS%, provide no spacing and then are a non-factor defensively?

I do like Queen though and hopefully he can develop a three point shot. That will really unlock his game.

do wonder if raps made the same mistake, also passing on alpergun like so many others....

actually rockets passed on him too (jalen green)

that said, the raps are in a win-now situation (FO on a 2yr contract), so CMB makes a lot of sense

wish raps got Fears though or Egor...though both were unlikely to get past nets

[ATLTimekeeper]

The question with Queen (as will be the same with George) is,

Are they going to be efficient and consistent enough to justify have the ball in their hands for a winning team.

If not,

Can they successfully play off ball and have a positive impact.

We basically have two off ball players in CMB and Dick and George and Queen are very ball possession players.

Yeah, it truly is the burden of the ball. If you miss slightly, you have a guy occupying a lot of your franchises' energy, touches and dollars. Frankly, the Raptors have never drafted a hub or ball dominant guard under Masai or Bobby. Maybe the closest was Siakam, and he was introduced to the team as a Tristan Thompson-type. Like, they only thought of him as a 2 dimensional prospect. You could argue Fred, but he was a camp invite and didn't even get his best financial offer from Toronto.

My thing has always been, when you really look outside the top prospects that people tank for, the surprise stars tend to not be these types of players in college. They started as something else and developed into stars in the NBA.

[Los_29]

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I was one of the very few on the board advocating for Queen....Looks like the game comes easy to him as a rookie its pretty impressive....I would have took Queen over CMB personally because of the Size and skills alone.....Hope CMB can hopefully have a productive and injury free season when he comes back because we need this pick to work out.

Atm if i am the Front office i regret not taking Queen or Coward.

Queen has been very inefficient and has provided very little defense for them.

Honestly, how many centers put up a 53% TS%, provide no spacing and then are a non-factor defensively?

I do like Queen though and hopefully he can develop a three point shot. That will really unlock his game.

do wonder if raps made the same mistake, also passing on alpergun like so many others....

actually rockets passed on him too (jalen green)

that said, the raps are in a win-now situation (FO on a 2yr contract), so CMB makes a lot of sense

wish raps got Fears though or Egor...though both were unlikely to get past nets

Passing is another big factor for Queen. If he can develop that part of his game and his shooting then there is a lot to be excited for. Although we still aren’t sure how effective this style can be.

CMB is only like 19-20. Team is quite young and last year they played their young guys heavy minutes. FO doesn’t care about their contract status.

[JCP11]

I loved Queen during the draft process but I hated that he was lazy on D, doesn't move his feet and often looks like he doesn't care. He's clearly talented but guys like that always have big games like these here and there in losing teams where they are featured and nothing to play for. CMBs floor is already high and already contributes to winning. He's in a winning environment with better players which is better for his development.

I soured on Queen because, yes he's talented but I don't think you want him in your starting 5 in a winning situation. He's not big and long enough to play the 5 and he's too slow to be a 4. I see him as an eventual 6th man. CMB had the best rating on and off the floor of all draftees, the IQ is off the charts with this dude. Give him time to figure things out and I don't doubt he'll become one the best in his class. On the other hand the one that might make us regret is Coward who was my draft crush along with CMB. I got in many long discussions with people here that didn't believe the hype but man he looks good on both ends. It will be fun to watch them develop.

[Psubs]

I loved Queen during the draft process but I hated that he was lazy on D, doesn't move his feet and often looks like he doesn't care. He's clearly talented but guys like that always have big games like these here and there in losing teams where they are featured and nothing to play for. CMBs floor is already high and already contributes to winning. He's in a winning environment with better players which is better for his development.

I soured on Queen because, yes he's talented but I don't think you want him in your starting 5 in a winning situation. He's not big and long enough to play the 5 and he's too slow to be a 4. I see him as an eventual 6th man. CMB had the best rating on and off the floor of all draftees, the IQ is off the charts with this dude. Give him time to figure things out and I don't doubt he'll become one the best in his class. On the other hand the one that might make us regret is Coward who was my draft crush along with CMB. I got in many long discussions with people here that didn't believe the hype but man he looks good on both ends. It will be fun to watch them develop.

Ya, due to offense Queen is someone that will demand the max but isn't going to help you win on a championship level.

Coward looks like he'll be a Jalen Williams type that will help win.

[Basketball_Jones]

I liked Queen and I see a lot of a half court version of Siakam with him (he’s not getting out to run lol). That said, I’m good with passing on him for now.